Not even hiding it anymore
Yeah attack and hit some Chinese diplomats. See how that works out for you Zelenskyy
Please ZelensKKKyy, I need it for my politics bingo
I fail to see how that ends with anything other than Keiv getting hit with an oreshnik
I like how the procession is still marching in the background, that’s Russian discipline right there
marching out of the rubble with one leg each. all of them shaped like flower boquettes (sp?)
meanwhile zelensky (i feel mandelaeffected, do they change the Official spelling of his name every couple of months? i don’t read western news much) zelensky looking like he’s tearing down the kremlin by blasting ass
He won’t but he should keep saying shit like this to get on everybody’s bad side
i’m sure the chinese love hearing this
Ukraine cannot guarantee anything except losing the war with Russia.
Please rephrase - so that we may appropriately firebomb or praise this post.
It’s currently ambiguous which side this statement supports.
Thank you.
- Random internet person
That’s because it’s not a statement of support. It’s a statement of material reality.
I mean, I hate Putin and the politics of the Russian Federation for the most part, but if they wanted to invade and dismantle Germany right now I’d support it.
Nobody on hexbear supports a side in this war; they just want it to end, and are bitter about Ukraine’s leadership continuing to hold out while its people keep dying in a war that they can’t win without massive NATO intervention, which is not coming and would cause a nuclear war if it did.
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“I don’t know anything about the arguments on Hexbear, but am still just going to go ahead and make simplistic assumptions about arguments on Hexbear.”
Gotta be one of my favorite genders
Can you please describe a scenario where Ukraine is able to stop losing territory, re-capture all the territory they want, including Crimea? Remember, we’re years into this and Ukraine’s population has been decimated by emigration and combat losses. If you can’t come up with a plausible path to victory, then continuing to fight only guarantees more death and more lost territory.
reality is pro-russian by default
States aren’t people.
Oh look, another liberal that didn’t pay attention to this conflict until 2022.
You seem to believe what the Western media has been telling you for the past three years: that ebil Putler woke up one day out of nowhere and decided to imperialistically invade Ukraine. Russia didn’t start the war and it didn’t start in 2022 either, it started in 2014 with the US-backed nazi coup in Ukraine. As for your SA comparison, that’s just gross and frankly a strawman argument anyway.
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Hey how come you only responded to one of the comments when there are several others that tried to address your points? Almost as if you’re a coward and a troll
well they are on lemm.ee so…
I know a lot of posters on this site can be uncharitable, but here is a bit more context that might help you understand where they are coming from
No more time needed here
And the trash takes itself out. Good job folks.
Then go away. We don’t care to have you around because you are clearly just trolling with the same tired NATO approved talking points we have debunked a thousand times over. You are being willfully ignorant at this point so please fine fuck off back to reddit you will be more comfortable there.
I did address your points, you said Russia started the war and I said they didn’t.
Fascist
It’s more like our stance is based around reality. We also have zero affection for Nazis unlike NATO. Russia is a terrible capitalist state which has more manpower than Ukraine, more weapons than Ukraine and possesses Nuclear Weapons and will not give up Crimea under any circumstance. The war exists solely to benefit the NATO Military Industrial Complex at this point. Ukraine can not afford this war as a people and yet they’re chasing a pipe dream for the sake of American Billionaires.
Additionally, the war is a result of Ukraine not following Minsk 2 agreements and using that time to stall and arm themselves to wage war against the DPR/LPR.
stop punching back
The figurative fist in that analogy is child conscripts being forced at gunpoint into a meatgrinder for the vanity and profit of US-aligned politicians and fascist military leaders, and every time the fist lands they have to go get a new fist because it gets annihilated.
And the war only happened in the first place because they kept taking swings at their neighbor whom they wanted to annex in violation of ceasefire agreements where they promised to stop doing that, while loudly shouting that any day now they’d join a gang and be given nukes, prompting their other neighbor to intercede to stop the existing conflict and prevent them from getting nukes.
Stop acting like you care about Ukrainians. You just want the Ukrainians to keep fighting so europe and the US dont have to, and can use innocent ukrainians as meat shields. Your scared Russia will keep going after Ukraine and are completely fine with letting Ukrainians die to keep europe safe.
You claim to care about Ukrainians yet your on hexbear of all places arguing with random internet people who just want peace instead of reckoning with the fact that this war only happened because the US and europe pressured Ukraine to give up its nukes in exchange for security garuntees they didnt honor, and literally purposefully antagnoized Russia hoping it would do this. And then they used the war to test their weapons and get rid of backstock without having to use their own soldiers.
You also seem to not care about the Ukrainians who were being slaughtered by Azov before this war even started. A battalion trained by the west and purposefully radicalized to cause chaos in Ukraine.
You reduce an entire war and the mutli decade lead up to it down to “Well do you support Ukraine or Russia” as if either option is somehow the moral choice. Moral people support PEACE. It doesnt matter what flag flies over your head if you can choose to either be shot at or not. you choose to not be shot at.
Would it be nice if we could go back in time and warn Ukraine not to give up its nukes and not to trust the wests garuntees? Yeah. But we cant. We have to deal with the situation we have, and somehow stop the horrific war taking place before even more innocent people die. If thinking that the war should end before Ukraine literally runs out of soldiers to send to die makes me a “Russia supporter” then whatever. Fuck you.
US and europe pressured Ukraine to give up its nukes in exchange for security garuntees they didnt honor,
The modern state of Ukraine never had nukes. The Ukrainian SSR held nukes within its territory, but Russia is the legal successor state to the USSR and took on all its debts, obligations, and nuclear weapons. All nations agreed to this. Modern Ukraine was never trusted to have nukes, never took on the requisite obligations and treaties, and never owned them for even a split second. This is a Western re-framing of reality
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This is a modern fantasy about Ukraine having nukes that never happened, this entire comment was ahistorical. Ukraine never had nukes to give up, never had a chance in hell of keeping the Ukrainian SSR nukes, and the security guarantees that Ukraine received at the time were from Russia and against the encroaching West. Ukrainians at that time were not concerned with Russia invading them but with NATO and western aggression. It was Russia that failed to uphold its security guarantees by allowing the 2014 coup and the NATO takeover. Russia failed Ukraine by not immediately invading and destroying the Western Nazi takeover.
Yes, that’s another perspective on the same set of facts
Ukraine can’t win the war. The longer it goes on, the more of them will die and the more land they will have to surrender.
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yep Ukronazis wanting to bomb Victory Day parade
strategically it will just be another dumb move from the Ukrainians. Putin will probably just let you do a symbolic attack on Victory day, because the impact will not be significant in terms of physical damage, but it will surely galvanize the Russian population into fullout war on the Ukrainian Nazi Regime.
The Ukrainians always complain about Russia weaponizing WW2 narratives against them and framing everything as Nazis vs. Soviets.
Then they go and say shit like this, that they want to bomb the victory day parade of the soviets filled with civilians and foreign diplomats and officials. Homie, you’re framing it that way yourself with your own actions
Didn’t russia have like 2 tanks at the last parade? Doesn’t seem like a target rich environment but more of something to send a message.
All bark
who would win, ai-huffing copium addicts threatening international leaders? or the most comprehensive air defence ever devised?
Yet, this “most comprehensive” air defense system didn’t manage to shoot out most of the drones that hit russian oil refineries thousands of kilometres away from Ukraine
victory day parades are not held at oil refineries, they’re held next to the Kremlin
“Our position is very simple for all countries planning to attend on May 9: We cannot be held responsible for anything that happens on the territory of the Russian Federation,” Zelenskyy said. “They provide your security, and so we will not offer any guarantees.”
“They can carry out various provocations—arson, explosions, and so on—and then blame us,” he said. “As president, I told our foreign minister that when people reach out to us, we must say: ‘We do not recommend visiting Russia for security reasons. And if you choose to go, don’t ask us about your safety. That’s your personal decision.’”
Just futureproofing that anything that happens is actually a false flag from Russia, while kind of planting the idea for somebody to go do some asymmetric warfare for them
It would be an extremely bad move on his part. I highly doubt he would try a hit on moscow like that. Russia announced a ceasefire and hes gonna hit an international delegation? Good way to make the entire world turn against ukraine. This is just reddit nonsense.
If he does that they can kiss Kiev goodbye.
Ya seriously. Good chance Russia responds with a tactical nuke.
Ya seriously. Good chance Russia responds with a tactical nuke.
That would be a colossal mistake. They’d probably launch an all out assault of Oreshnik and cruise missles
That would be a strategic nuke. Tactical nukes are nukes deployed onto a battlefield.
Oh i thought tactical nukes were just like a smaller class of nuke.
Yes-ish, you’re mostly right as there are specific weapons types for specific uses. Using a full size h-bomb designed for striking a city to hit an armored group doesn’t magically turn it into a tactical weapon even if the use itself might be said to be. The people responding to you are ignorant or just playing with words in a “acktually” type way. While there isn’t any I suppose international standards body definition of the fact, tactical nuclear weapons are smaller and understood to be smaller because they’re for battlefield use and you don’t want to hit your army which is often in fairly close proximity. One can look at descriptions of payload size for various tactical nuclear weapons in NATO and Soviet arsenals to verify this. Nuclear artillery shells exist for instance and very much are tactical not strategic weapons. There’s definitely some grey area around missile delivered types given the varying megatonage but tactical weapons.
Just because something doesn’t have a hard and fast concrete definition doesn’t mean there aren’t connotations commonly understood to have some meaning in a certain way.
Specifically US and Soviet Union had several rounds of agreements on reductions of and control of nuclear forces with definitions agreed by both sides on limiting strategic weapons in one way and tactical nuclear weapons in another way. They used these terms, these aren’t imaginary terms they are ones recognized by major powers and military planners and weapons designers and are valid and real and carry real meanings.
Tactical nukes in another sense are meant to be deployed to the battlefield, often with mobile launchers or by aircraft whereas stationary/silo ICBMs are I believe nearly entirely strategic weapons in the case of Russia and the US (China is another matter).
There really is no such classification, the term was first used iirc by MacArthur who wanted to use cobalt bombs all along the border of China and Korea during the Korean war.
Ah so its one of those terms that means nothing but also means whatever you want it to mean?
it’s like ‘assault rifle’
Not if the conventional drone strike on Moscow was also accompanied by a nuclear detonation on Ukraine territory. Not a detonation or a Russian nuclear bomb, but the grand unveiling of the results of a secret Ukrainian nuclear weapons program!
Im pretty sure the Russian military can make that guarantee in their place
this is so stupid I’m actually angry it exists
Are our history textbooks just going to be filled with genai slop after a certain point? I guess the better question is if Ukraine will still exist in the history books in a few years.
Future cultural anthropologists will treat 2020 or so like a kind of K-T boundary in geology. There’s a bright line there dividing before and after, and composition of all written records after the commercialization of LLMs will be hopelessly contaminated by the fallout from a catastrophic event.
I think so sadly (about the genai slop) although at a certain point it will likely get harder to tell it’s slop
I can tell it’s slop because human artists don’t dream of bombing a parade and wouldn’t want to be attached to that.
genAI is used by the worst and laziest human beings.
Abusive husband vibes.
Continuing the metaphor, Donbas is the long-suffering partner who the abusive husband lies about when she finally leaves. Yeah buddy, she was secretly a “Russian-backed seperatist” the whole time, plotting against you. You totally didn’t actively drive her into the safety of someone else’s arms with your wanton cruelty.
Oops all Nazis!
