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    British people love curries and other spicy things. For most people curries, biriyanis are going to be in the rotation. Even “traditional” British food will usually have things like black pepper, nutmeg, mace, ginger, cumin, cloves, mustard, bay leaves, juniper berries in it. More recently cumin, paprika, tumeric, coriander, curry powder might be thrown into dishes.

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    You need spices for mince pies and fruitcake. Worcestershire sauce and HP sauce. Cakes and sauces basically.

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    Pfft, you think we invaded everyone for spices to eat them? Absolutely not. We did it so that we could sell them to the French, thereby making the French poorer by exploiting their degenerate addiction to food that tastes nice

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      Your comment made me wanna google the two economies and related stats. They’re a lot more Similar than I expected. Pretty cool. So I guess UK’s plan failed? xD unless France used to be richer.

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        While I was joking, of course, France’s economy actually was quite a lot more bigger and more powerful than the UK’s up until the industrial revolution and the about a century of everything going very badly for France. France was the most populous country in Europe by a wide margin, and back then that basically was the whole economy. It has quite a lot more land than the UK, and that land is a lot more productive too; the north of Wales and most of Scotland do not make for good farmland. Unlike Germany and Italy it united and centralised quite early, and it just outweighed Spain and the Low Countries the same way it did the UK, so for a long time France had the edge over all of its neighbours.

        During the Napoleonic wars, France managed to raise forces that matched the UK, Prussia, Austria, and Spain combined in number. Some of that was due to other factors like how he organised it, but you’ve still got to have the people available somewhere if you want to match four major powers at once

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        That website is so neoliberal brained it makes me want to puke.

        “Property Rights Index” “Investment Freedom Index”

        What’s next? “Oppression of Working Classes Index”

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        Stole it? I think adopted is more apt. And curry isn’t one thing and varies from region to region in India. But Britain loved it so much that there is an Indian (or Pakistani) restaurant practically everywhere. And while Indian / Pakistani chefs have invented new dishes (e.g. chicken chasni is the best goddamned curry ever), I wouldn’t call it cultural appropriation.

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          I understand why Europeans don’t like pineapple pizza, for some reason all the restaurants here put it on after baking. Genuinely insane

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        There’s plenty of British-created curries or ones that have been heavily modified in the UK. If you went to India and wanted a tikka masala. I imagine it would be pretty hard to find one, and if you did it wouldn’t be like it was in the UK.

        Personally I do prefer Indian curries because they get more interesting with the veggie ones though.

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      Was gonna say, didn’t the Brits basically invent some curry dishes? Still, there ain’t any British restaurants, tells me what I need to know.

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        Well, there’s no “British cuisine” per se, but there are British restaurants. For example a pretty famous and influential one. Also, most pubs serve food and those are now pretty much everywhere in the world, that’s quite British, isn’t it? Dunno the history, but I always associated it with the Brits, maybe I’m wrong.

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        I mean if you take it seriously we do have plenty of good and interesting food, both in traditional and modern cuisine. Hot spice isn’t often a part of it, but there’s lots of usage of herbs and milder spices. Laverbread, black pudding, haggis (yes, seriously), Worcestershire sauce, and Cornish herby pasty are all solid examples of very traditional foods that are pretty seasoning-forward without even touching the enormous amount of stuff we picked up from other cultures (like the curries)

        That’s not to say that we don’t frequently earn our terrible culinary reputation. We do. Next to our neighbours like France, Spain, and Italy we just do not have the same level of widespread passion for food, and our habits reflect this. A general lack of adventurousness plagues our palates on a national level

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        My favourite part of British food is the way it has merged with foreign food, like the curry dishes for example.

        That does also mean there aren’t any British restaurants since they are usually labelled with the culture that shows there is actual flavour and not the culture famous for eating wartime food in the 21st century…

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          I would say that British restaurants are pubs. Things like pie and chips, burgers, bangers and mash, shepherd’s pie etc. Or maybe a carvery with roast dinner. Or fish and chips places (although that’s not exactly a restaurant)

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        That the name of their unofficial national dish is in Persian/Hindi also suggets something, but I’m sure I don’t know what…

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          Colonization. But that was the insinuation of the post, that they colonized the world and have nothing to show for it. But in reality there is a lot of cultural exchange that happened.

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        Sadly you’re part wrong, Chicago Style Pizza is very different from Detroit’s Deep-Dish. Deep-Dish Pizza is born out of motor city cooking za in automotive pans, with a thick crunchy crust, while Chicago Pizza is made by morons who don’t know how to make anything that isn’t oversauced lasagne.

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          Chicago definitely for a fact is known for “Chicago Deep Dish Pizza”. Its not called “Chicago Pizza” because Chicago has a lot of style pizzas, and another famous style named after it. Chicago thin crust/tavern style.

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          Sorry, but no one thinks of Detroit when they hear deep dish pizza.

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            That’s untrue, but they are wrong, in both places are known for deep dish pizza.

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        i grew up near a place that had something they called a ponza rotta.

        it was the pizza equivalent of a chimichanga. it was a deep fried calzone. my high school had a tradition of trying to run a ponza mile instead of a beer mile. last one to puke after eating a whole ponza and running a mile won. only ever knew one person to actually finish the mile.

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        Chicago deep dish pizza is more akin to eating the deep fryer, there is so much oil in it.

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      Americans are borderline obsessed with hotsauces and spicy food, though. IME, the pushback about english mustard is usually the same as with vegemite - its too easy to use way too much, and thus obliterate the flavours of the rest of the dish. (Plus it doesn’t pair super well with a lot of regional menus). In many restaurants (diners) there’s always at least tobasco sauce next to the salt and cracked black pepper, and nowadays most have a selection of hot sauces on the table to choose from.

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          I’ve never heard of English mustard, but I don’t Americans as a whole are afraid of spicy mustard.

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            I was taking the piss.

            I know some USAians like spicy sauces, on chicken wings for example. There’s also the guy I used to work with who said his favourite meal was lamb and vegetables with gravy. The most vanilla thing on earth.

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        Most american stereotypes I understand or even represent (fat white guy with too many guns here) but I’ve never understood the “american food is bland” thing - I can’t think of a region of the US internally known for bland food. Even the Hot Dish parts of the country strive for bold flavors. Why the hell do you think we’re all so fat, if not because we have so much good food to tempt us into excess?

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          American food relies far too much on capsaicin for making things spicy. There are other spices too.

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            Depends on where in the Midwest. It’s a big place.

            My partner’s small hometown has a few local dishes. One is a Cream of Chicken soup Sandwich, which is awful IMHO, and seasonal fall apple spiced doughnuts, which are fucking amazing.

            My town is a foodie heaven, but an hour away in any direction, and you better like fries and burgers, because that’s all there is.

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          A lot of the boomer food trends are taken from depression recipes and are very bland by today’s standard. Shit like steamed veg with no seasoning or six thousand types of casserole with no seasoning. It took me literally two decades after moving out to convince my father to salt steak before grilling, and I am still working on getting him to salt tomatoes for burgers.

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      I’ve always joked that you could batter a bunch of cardboard, soak it in buttermilk, cover it in spicy breading, do it again and deep fry it … and you could base an entire restaurant chain around it.