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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
I regret to inform you that, once again, aella (via this)
fucked that this is at least moderately honest
Ok I have to say, I despise aella but as a promiscuous woman I completely fail to see whatās supposed to be the problem with this particular form of play. That people like having casual sex? That they have slut pride? What.
I probably passed the 100 mark myself several years ago, Iāve hooked up with girls with much more obvious slut tattoos too, and weāre all antifascist anarchists. Is this community ok with sneering at public sexuality now?
The only thing I found vaguely mid in that X is using a tattoo gun rather than scarification, branding, or at least stick-and-poke. But I donāt kink-shame people for being casuals.
Personally I like sex work and amateur tattooing better when they arenāt part of some convoluted attempt at rationalist virtue signalling on social media. Honestly itās kind of weird that you landed on disapproval of promiscuity as the reason anyone here would find the happy couple sneerable.
Not strictly related to the OP but fuck kink-washing sfba rationalism, at the very least the attempted normalization of non-con sex play in a subculture as inundated with cult dynamics as them should be fair game.
I cannot understand the reason yāall find the couple sneerable, as I look at that tweet and see something I very much would have done to one of my partners if they asked, and the language used by the bottom as the same language my partners might have used to describe the activity. If anything itās very much on the tame side, for our standards. Promiscuity is me trying to understand what is it thatās so sneerable in the first place. Is it just ālol sex thing weirdā? Is it āyouāll regret your tattoo when you get olderā? Me and my girls have done so much more intensely weirder sex things and more risquĆ© tattoos. I expect to be ridiculed for it by like, cishet right-wing men, but to find that type of attitude here was shocking.
Like, āvirtue signallingā as in the thing that rats accuse us of doing every time we have a motivation they cannot comprehend such as basic empathy, right? As in the rationalistās stereotypically verbose euphemism for what previous generations of misogynistic male nerds used to call āattention whoringā? Is that the sneerable thing then, that people like showing off when they do an unusual sex thing? Because if so I have like, years of mastodon flirty banter yāall can go sneer at, if weāre branching out from ānerdy fascism badā to ākink on main badā.
are you aware of what discussion group youāre posting this to
The guy goes by the handle RatOrthodox, calls rationalism his religion in the replies, seems kind of a cult-brained ideologue anyway based on his other tattoos, and went out of his way to make boinking aella into a public achievement/trophy thing.
This is just from the OP, I bet I could find any number of additional absolutely ridiculous things about him if I bothered with his twitter feed (edit: someone else did). Basically he seems like sneer incarnate, and if rationalists ever stormed the capitol building I bet heād be the one with the face paint and the horned fur hat giving interviews.
Virtue signaling is not really interchangeable with attention whoring, itās when you specifically (and usually clumsily) want people to notice that you are part of an ingroup, and in this case the ingroup definitely isnāt just people who like amateur tattooing and horny post on main.
Maybe I should explicitly note that unless this turns out to be another aella publicity stunt she does seem pretty incidental to the whole thing and her only fault appears to be being attractive this type of weirdo in the first place, which Iām not blaming her for.
Think you are right, and tbh I didnāt read this as a kink thing but more some weird glorifying Aella as some sort of important cult leader thing (and misread it and assumed it had to do with the flowchart event, and not this (which I should have noticed was wrong as there were less than 100 people involved in that, for which a āI was nr 100ā is quite odd to me (and fits into the whole cultleader vibe))). A reason why I only focused on the guy myself.
And you are totally correct that people sneer on Aella way to much just because she is {a woman, sex worker, a bit strange, unapologetic about being a sex worker, has sex the wrong way, {more weird reasons unrelated to her being part of the āwe should do eugenics!ā crowd}} (pick any that apply). And have mentioned this before in other places. (oddly enough this caused somebody on bsky to just go full anti sex worker, so that was an easy block at least). But yes you are right to call us out on this.
My stance is that I hate Aella because she exploits her life experience to be a disgusting misogynist and it is morally correct to kinkshame unpleasant heterosexual men who associate with the rationalist sex cult. Iām not interested in other peopleās hangups beyond that.
oh, no, to be clear: this isnāt about the sex/sluttiness - I have no issue with that at all. in a more general sense (over the wider set of things aella), her positioning herself as a āsex researcherā but often using that to bash specific groups or put out a specific narrative, that is far more problematic
but regarding this specific thing, tho: the āforced a tattoo on meā bit specifically, and all the rationalists doing their weird quasi-intellectual arguing with everyone who asks questions. the āforcedā wording feels ā¦ intentionally bait&switch? presumably (ā¦hopefully?) thereās mutual consent here, so itās a fucking choice to go frame the event that way
Thatās very much the language my play partners use online, though? I totally post banter like āthat submissive was so blanked out that I took advantage of them by doing Xā, to which theyāll reply āimplying I didnāt evily manipulated you into doing that in the first placeā, and so on. This is so commonplace in my communities that I failed to even understand what could be the problem before you pointed it out. I mean, āI forced my famous domme to mark me as a trophy as her #100 simpā? How would you exactly force (non-kink sense) someone to tattoo you anyway, and if you did and were unwise enough to brag about it, presumably the microcelebrity in question wouldnāt like and retweet it? I took it to mean āI was so into the idea of being marked, Iām glad she agreed to my pesteringā, and I would bet money if any of my people talked in that exact wording, thatās what everyone would take it as. I mean, otherwise I would probably have been arrested for the frequency of times I say ābye everyone gonna tie someone up and do unspeakably cruel things to themā and whatnot
I think in this thread itās not āthis thing is gross because it involves sex stuffā, itās āthis sex stuff is made gross by the involvement of aella and co, who we understand to have fundamentally different and incorrect ideas about ethics both in general and specific to sexā
Basically anything Aella touches merits a sniff test.
Iām imagining the same statement from a different person, on a platform that is not Xitter, about a sex partner who is not Aella.
(thinks)
Pierre Menard, author of the Kink-ote
Gotta say, Iām not much of a JLB head, so I donāt fully understand this (would love an explainer!). At first glance I thought this was a Menards reference and super didnāt understand.
āPierre Menard, Author of the Quixoteā is a story about a man whose passion project is rewriting Don Quixote, that is, arriving at exactly the same text as Cervantes, but from his own experiences. The narrator quotes the same line from both and observes that the remark by Cervantes is empty rhetoric, while the statement by Menard alludes to a whole school of philosophy that did not exist in Cervantesā time. So, āThough they are verbally identical, Menardās is infinitely richer.ā
I wasnāt going for a deep-lore reference, just a bit of silly wordplay about the title.
Cringe but my god the horde of buttmad nazis force me to be on weirdo & girl girlās side
Personally I have more questions about a Rationalist having an anarcho-communist flag tattoo.
anarcho-communist flag, username RatOrthodox, hangs out with eugenicist iq-anon types, somewhere on the longtermist scale. Has unblocked replies from a person who fell into all the alt-right signifiers and who is calling this āJewishā (anti-semitism and a holocaust joke, classy. If I sneer any harder I will start to look like Scott on that recent video).
It honestly reminds me of the stories youād hear from like the 60s and 70s of people cult-hopping because the specifics of the ideology or the religion didnāt matter as much as the sense of believing in something. Notably a fair number of those people ended up in evangelical churches and, presumably, maga.
See also how he finds it good that capitalism has no logo, but still desires a logo for capitalism. And suggests others want it too.
But hey, of all the cult leaders in the space, Aella is prob the least bad. At least her cult doesnāt come with a lot of mandatory reading homework.
I see now heās also got a supply and demand tattoo*? I donāt fucking know. Maybe he thinks red and black is the antifa flag. Maybe he got it for sexy humiliation purposes. Maybe itās faded blue ink.
*āIf you want to celebrate [capitalism] with a symbol, youāll have to get a law of nature tattooed on you.ā
Yeah okay. Boring!!! You suck!!!
I have so many questions, stuff like, do you know what laws of nature are? (also, see the weak link between supply and demand and capitalism, various non capitalist systems also have supply and demand curves. āim not economically illiterate, just ideologicallyā). And 13? Wtf is wrong with your parents that they allowed that? At least my earlier āwtf why is he hanging out with neo-nazisā has been answered.
E: also note the dead plant in the tattoo in progress pics. (An orchid I think).
I donāt know what it is with capitalists and needing to prove to themselves theyāre aligned with the natural order. Iām a marxist but I canāt imagine calling the TRPF a ālaw of natureā. It would be embarrassing!
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(I know there are, like, dozens of āscientific communistā diamat weirdos, but for the most part they have rightfully been tied to a tree and left in the 20th century.)
I think it comes down to a deflection of the inherent cruelty of the system. Part of the structure of capitalism is that some people are going to suffer unjustly because your ability to get the resources you need to survive is gated behind your ability to either hold capital or provide value to capitalists. You donāt have to look far to find examples of people who are either physically unable to do so or who find that their proverbial cheese has been moved by economic forces beyond their control or understanding, and now the terms of their economic and social existence are wildly different and less favorable.
By comparison, evolution by natural selection relies on having more children than the environment can support and having a significant number of those children die before they can reproduce. This also creates a lot of suffering, but since itās a natural process rather than a social construct itās impossible to call any part of it out for cruelty. There is no exploiter, and so there can be no exploitation. We can feel bad for the slowest gazelle but we donāt morally condemn the lion because the suffering it creates is part of the natural world.
Of course, free market capitalism is not a natural process, there are things that we could do to mitigate or eliminate the suffering it creates, and trying to prevent that from happening is morally reprehensible. This is particularly true if youāre in a relatively privileged position like, say, a finance capitalist in a major startup hub or working in an industry that for various reasons has been given a significantly better deal than most working people. At that point youāre either doing the exploiting or siding with the exploiters and actively perpetuating unnecessary suffering. But if that suffering was natural then it wouldnāt be unnecessary and you wouldnāt be doing anything inarguably wrong.
Itās just Jordan Peterson and his goddamn lobsters again.
Yeah it fits a pattern, half of starship troopers is about how other societies had ideals not based on mathematical truths but theirs is (no proof is ever shown). Another reason why I think the book reads so much better as a parody. The Eternal Science of Marxism, but now for Warrior Libertarians (who cannot even fight a proper war, see the whole technodogs thing).
Good point.
Heinlein is a bit tricky because on one hand he clearly has a Point of View, but on the other he tends to reuse material, which includes prodding at earlier systems until they get sufficiently dystopian to demand a strong Individualist Man to step up. Donāt know if he set that up on purpose or if it was a consequence and set up things, or just the need to churn out new books. Sometimes I got the feeling that he tried ideas on for size.
This connection hadnāt occured to me before, but the Starship Troopers scenes (in the book) where they claim to have mathematically rigorous proofs about various moral statements or actions or societal constructs reminds me of how Eliezer has a decision theory in mind with all sorts of counter intuitive claims (itās mathematically valid to never ever give into any blackmail or threats or anything adjacent to them), but hasnāt actually written out his decision theory in rigorous well defined terms that can pass peer review or be used to figure out anything beyond some pre-selected toy problems.
This is more on Aella Cult than on her tbh.
And didnāt Aella and also Grimes have a come to jesus moment when they realized they hung out with a lot of bad people. Guess nothing came from that. (That part of them is always worse than these just a bit off antics they pull).
I would give this at least -9600 credibility points. neither of them are whoopsie-daisyāing into these scenes and crowds, they both knew what and who
Sorry I was being a bit too vague because I didnāt have any proof ready. But here it is. It is them covering their asses if there might be a fallout, a non-apology equivalent, as there has been no changes or dropping of names/extremist behavior since, it is all just vague vibes.