7 months ago I started a 6 month remote contract for chime.com.
At around 5 months, I asked my manager if she was going to extend me. She said no. Cool, whatever. Life of a contractor.
The product and engineer team rallied against ending my contract and my manager caved and extended my contract for another 6 months.
So a week into my new contract, they asked me to come into the office in San Francisco.
This is a difficult ask from me because I had to find a person to watch my son and my dogs. Drove my son an hour away to my sisters and paid a dog sitter 80/day to watch my dogs.
I land in San Francisco and my boss text me saying she has something important to tell me. I get into the office and a few hours later she cancels my contract because they want to have the person in my role local and to come into the SF office 4 days a week. This new position is also only paying 135k vs my 165k.
Never quit your job over an offer, I always run my time out at my old job.
Last job switch was last day on Friday, new day of first job on Monday.
Shocking to hear as I am Used to have binding consequences for such action in my country - feel u !
never ever assume you got the offer until both parties have signed a contract
What is the meaning of “signing an offer” then? Is this not a binding contract?
Just curious. Not American. Don’t know if this has anything to do with the US.
Edit: or was this a situation where only OP signed an offer and then quit the old job before having the signature of the other party? Would be very unusual, I normally get contracts pre signed by my new employer that only I need to sign
That’s why we need a democratic economy. Distribute the power over the means of production.
That’s the whole point of having a contract. You don’t quit your old job until you have a signed new contract for the new one. I understand that many Americans don’t believe in this basic concept, but it’s common in many countries around the world.
Even a contract includes probation period where they can let you go without reason and short notice. Even in a quite worker-friendly country like Germany it is usually 6 month period with 2 weeks notice (both sides).
Absolutely true, but in this case they seem to be trying to wiggle out of even that minimal notice period. A promissory estoppel case would probably, if the plaintiff won, see damages in the form of payment equal to the salary that would have been earned in that minimum notice period.
Unfortunately many employment agreements in the US are “at will” meaning either party can terminate it immediately at will. In states where this is legal (almost all of them), you’d be hard-pressed to find any company willing to do it any other way.
That must be the Land of the free. :D
Right? What is this “Employment Contract” you speak of? I just got told “You start this day, good luck fucker.”
And the fun thing of ‘fired at will’ is that it is enshrined in so-called ‘Right to Work’ laws. The evil would be hilarious is it wasn’t so horrible.
No, you’re wrong here. ‘Right to Work’ laws are about preventing unions from controlling an entire workplace, forcing new employees to join the union. ‘At-Will Employment’ laws are entirely seperate from that.
Yea there tends to be a disconnect at the “right to be fired” part.
Is that different from signing the offer?
They usually don’t even give you anything to sign
I hope this guy spends some of his now ample free time relentlessly reposting this all over the place.
> applies to join an evil company
> is surprised when gets evil done on themWhy do
LinkedIn users write their essays
In this format? Many other platforms
Have the same limitations for character count
Or even lack of rich text formatting
Yet people don’t write like this.
Where did this
Culture come from?
Most business people are too stupid to handle paragraphs with more than 2-3 sentences. I’m not joking; I literally have to write emails like this if I want them read.
Yep I have learned to write biz emails in short, pithy sentences, if I want people to actually read and assimilate the info.
I don’t think it’s stupidity (and nothing against stupid co-workers if they’re trying), but they’re just so grindset brained into mental exhaustion that they literally zone out in the middle of a paragraph.
I’ll catch myself doing it on occasion too. If anything it’s worse recently, because I’ll have the nagging thought did they actually write this or am I reading two sentences puffed out into half a page by llm…
Side rant here. I’m working on a project for a new application, after a couple months work I finalised the 150ish requirements, however before approval could be given to approach businesses I had to do some internal box ticking.
I organised this technical meeting with the IT guys to run through all the requirements, tick and flick that everything was fine. It was a 3 hour meeting that I had booked 7 weeks in advance to ensure everyone could attend.
3 weeks before the scheduled date a general manager insists on attending and self-invites. The moment the meeting starts the GM immediately says “they don’t want to read all these requirements” and “don’t you have a presentation?” Followed by “where are the pictures?”.
The entire meeting basically derailed there and we only made it through maybe 50% of what we needed to with zero ticking or flicking. That was 3 weeks ago, the project has almost stalled now and I’m still trying to recover the time/progress/momentum I had.
Fucking managers and their demands to be included and flat out refusal to read.
Too long paragraphs, didn’t read.
Functional illiteracy is a thing, pretty sure my last boss fell into this category. Everything had to be a meeting, couldnt do work by email or chat. He had to review and approve my reports, and they would sit for months. I think there was a nine month back log when I left.
Holy crapoli, the memories this triggers. Suffice to say I am soooooo glad to be retired.
I’m on a 12 month contract at the moment but the company just advertised 8 permanent jobs at my level. I’m passing on submitting an application.
I’m pretty sure…
You’re not gonna believe this but…
I think it all came from web marketing guru funnel-builder-ebook-masterclass-mentor-course types.
And it circlejerked with business types to capitalize on shorter and shorter attention spans.
I was like you. I was a normal guy. And one day I decided to take a guess at where this irritating “writing style” came from…and why it was EVERYWHERE…
…and you won’t believe what I came up with (Or maybe you will, because you’re ultra smart , I can tell just by the way you’re reading this, you’re not like everyone else, you’re special, click the button at the end of this really long pointless babbling)…I think it’s because…
People scroll, and short little paragraphs keep you reading.
In bite-sized little chunks. So you keep scrolling and scrolling waiting for it to get to the point…
…so what are you waiting for? Lame call to action by clicking the button below to get added to my email spam list and an empty ghost town “Master Life Changer” Discord / web forum! Filled to the gills with…
…obvious filler nonsense…for 900 days absolutely risk free…
…I wouldn’t bet my couch and my sister’s angry little chihuahua, Señor Gordito Cabrón if I wasn’t 100% serious about the value in these stupid paragraphs…
If you don’t get any value from this offer, I’ll personally ship that little jerk to Cesar Milan. Just so he learns some respect after stealing my tacos
You can even keep the couch and any change you find in its depths as mygift to you.
I’ll even finally get the sister to therapy, as an Internet marketing family we’ve neglected all the signs and cries for help for far too long.Absolutely free. All you gotta do is keep scrolling until the wheel on your mouse pops out…
…and one day you too can have a Lambo. You deserve it.
Normally, my grift is valued by myself (and nobody else) at an obnoxiously high number that ends in a 7 for some reason…but today is special.
Still here? I knew you were The Chosen One Destined for Greatness .
Time is running out, even though this special offer has been sitting on this static page for months. It’s only like
$1234.57$667.97 now. Just for you. (I’m practically giving it away because you’re so cool. I have to sell one of my boats now just to make ends meet. My wife is so upset she’s taking the kids to her mom’s for a few days, but I believe in you THAT MUCH.)Still not convinced?? That’s understandable. This can continue saying the same gibberish 18 different ways…
…until you’ve read so far clicking the button is basically sunk cost fallacy at this point…
…Ugh that made me physically sick writing like that even as a joke LOL.
EDIT: And in some sick way I’m so proud of it I keep editing it when I think of a way to make it even stupider lol. I’m gonna touch grass soon I swear…
EDIT EDIT: Oh no, it has formatting now. And got increasingly unhinged. What have I done?!
I guess it works too, I just read that.
I hope it was at least satirically entertaining and perhaps a touch cathartic! XD
I’m sure you’ve also shared that same experience I have, where you ended up scrolling and scrolling those stupid websites to see what their deal was, even though you knew it was 100% nonsense lol.
Edit: Oh gosh, I had too much fun with it and now it’s 7x as unhinged lmao…
Assholes thinking their garbage thoughts are poetry
Not too lazy to make it readable
The company doesn’t care about you. The company doesn’t care about you. The company doesn’t care about you.
This is why you don’t plan your life around a job. Plan your job around your life.
That sounds like a very privileged mindset to me. Most of us don’t have the resources to have that luxury.
Never had privilege; I’ve just been fortunate enough to have an emergency fund. Took me over a decade to save enough, but I have enough now that I could go 3 months without a job.
Care to explain why you would think only the privileged are the ones who tend not to put the cart before the horse?
Edit: apologies, I skimmed read and was half asleep when I read the post. I did not realise that the person already signed the contract but was suddenly thrown under the bus.
The mere fact that you think it’s a choice for most people is why I think that.
If you’re as far along as the guy in OP then you’re being irresponsible to not be looking for a place to live. Dude got the job and had it pulled from him, this would get him unemployment in California at least (I should know - I got unemployment in California in basically this scenario)
As someone mentioned already, wait until actually signing the contract before moving. It is not “privileged” not to put the cart before the horse.
Very clearly states that he already signed it.
I finally made it to a place in life where I’d rather be where I am and homeless than leave for some job
I don’t want to kick the original author while they’re down, but PayPal is a known shit company, and has been almost from the start. It’s closely related to the leopards-ate-my-face phenomenon — if you’re willing to work for a shit company, expect shit.
Not everybody has all the information to know whether a company is known for this kind of shit. I’ve heard a lot of stories about PayPal screwing over sellers in particular by freezing their funds for no justified reason, but I can see people falling for the “they must have been doing something bad they aren’t admitting” you always see in response to anyone complaining about some authority imposing arbitrary punishments on them.
My personal gripe with PayPal is, I was once relying on income from sales through them, and had withdrawn money to my bank that I needed to pay my rent. A customer filed a spurious dispute (later resolved in my favor) on a sale that was only a tiny portion of that, and their response was to immediately reverse the whole completed bank transfer. So I almost missed paying rent and had to scramble to figure it out at the last minute.
Anyway, fuck PayPal, sympathy to all their victims.
Anyone applying to PayPal can google it before they accept an offer.
When people get scammed, it’s not their fault just because there are conceivable ways they could have learned it was a scam.
this should be repeated more often.
This is a shit response that’s devoid of empathy and common decency. You’re literally blaming the victim.
You’re shit.
Yo. That’s pretty extreme!
That’s another human being just like yourself, posting their likely well-intentioned observations on a situation to a public discussion forum. They’re not being actively hostile to anybody. Please try to have a little grace.
If the idea presented is wrong, attack the idea, not the individual.
The internet is savage enough as it is and we can make it better.
I sincerely hope you have a good day. <3
“I’m only working for Baby Bunny Blenders because they have a great reputation in the bunny blending space and they have a strong tech stack, not because I believe in blending baby animals. They are only testing the technology on baby koalas and pandas so far there’s no real world application.”
If you stick your hand in a bear trap…
I ain’t arguing.
Oh dude, have you heard of this guy, Donald Trump? He’s a master of this move you’ve just pulled: literally doing the thing you’re accusing others of. The irony is delicious.
From my layman’s perspective it sounds like this should net him some compensation under promissory estoppel
I got unemployment in California in a very similar scenario, pretty sure they explicitly state something like this is a valid reason somewhere on that hellhole of a website
Idk about other places in this dumpster fire of a nation, but silicone valley is here, so maybe?
That was the very first thing I thought of. For the unaware, promissory estoppel is when party A is damaged by party B promising something, then later rescinding it. It is something you can file a lawsuit over.
For instance, maybe someone says “I’ll buy you a brand new Maserati if you drive your current car off a bridge.” You know they can afford the car, and a reasonable person would believe this promise. So you shake on it, and proceed to dump your car over the side of the bridge. Then that person laughs and goes “yeah, I changed my mind. I’m not buying you a Maserati.” Now you have been damaged because of an action you took due to their promise. You can sue them, to force them to fulfill their side of the promise, or at least to make you whole again.
In the screenshot’s case, it sounds like he made some major financial investments in this job. He moved to a new location, turned down other job offers, etc… He could sue PayPal to force them to repay the costs that he incurred as a result of their rescinded job offer.
The only reason employers still do shit like this is because individuals either don’t realize that they can sue for it, or don’t realize that lawyers will take their case.
The only reason employers still do shit like this is because individuals either don’t realize that they can sue for it, or don’t realize that lawyers will take their case.
Is this one of those instances where the corporation can/will do stuff like deploy their lawyer army to tie up the victim and wait them out with expensive and time-wasting legal process…before offering them a $50 gift card to shut up and hold the company eternally blameless forevermore?
Not a lawyer, but the usual explanation is that these contracts are “at will” and the contract includes language indicating it can be terminated by either party for any reason at any time.
Again, not a lawyer and I agree this is terrible behavior. However, this is why some people say you should never give notice until you’ve literally started your new job.
This is the shit I’m worried about when family members tell me I should expand and keep my mind open to moving somewhere to chase a job. I don’t have the resiliency to survive a failure like this.
People have been falling for the lies of big tech companies for too long. We desperately need unions, and those unions need to push back on these kinds of ineffectual, time-wasting hiring processes.
Look at this asshole though. The image cuts off right when he’s starting into the mealy-mouthed hustle culture part of the linkedin post. Gotta show that you, special magical you, are the one developer who doesn’t mind the exploitation. You stay positive and give 110% to everything, even when they’re fucking you over.
There’s always a stupid as shit hustle bro willing to scab and do the work, they can vibe code through it I guess. If this god forsaken industry had any solidarity at all, then no tech company you’ve ever heard of would be able to hire a single person any more.
Ill join a union if everyone else does.
That’s the point.
I know. However, with AI, management will just take the 10% that choose not to join and give them the additional 90% of work, then hire offshore people to cover the rest. Their profits wont increase but theyll still make out like bandits because labor is cheaper.
H1B Visa workforce is the wave of the future. The Sociopathic Oligarchs are angling to create “Freedom Zones” where they will build their new facilities, complete with living facilities for their foreign workers. They will operate independent of government regulations of any kind. Skum is already working on it.
It’s literally how they use foreign workers in Arab countries. They usually use Indians or Filipinos, barely pay them, and strictly limit their personal agency. It’s literally slavery.
It’s coming to America. We can always pick fruit.
Christ. Yeah Ive seen the chinese shacks next to a 40 story luxury building. They barely treat them as animals let alone human.
I’ve seen it when passing thru Dubai.
Very hard to be team human when you see what we do to our own.
Yeah world has just gotten shittier for the bottom. No one truely cares about ending suffering as long as the rich doesnt have to endure it
