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Norman Finkelstein talks about this and you wouldn’t claim he is antisemitic. There is an element of Jewish “supremacy” that fuels Zionism is the argument he makes. So it would be wrong to dismiss the wealthy and powerful jews who push the agenda and they’re definitely consciously playing into this anti-Zionism = antisemitism narrative. It benefits them at the expense of everyone else. These people are the last ones to ever suffer any real consequences of the eventual antisemitism wave in the west too.
That said this does not remove any of the imperialist reasons for America’s support of Israel either, its a natural alliance. The only people(close to positions of power) at this point who “oppose” Israel are the ones who envision a “clean” empire i.e do all the killing and conquering but behind close doors so they don’t have to feel guilty for it.
We saw the unified response behind “Israel has the right to defend itself”, that alone is an assumption of innocence, every single liberal supported this message because it is the ultimate proof they’re the good guys they’re only defending “civilization” from barbarianism, literaly Ukraine talking points again.
The only difference is Ukraine’s war crimes can be dismissed as the Ukrainian 2014-2022 stuff is very hard to find for normal people while Palestine is basicaly livestreaming genocide.
Mama mia this thread got funny fast lol
Yeah, I tried to make an educational response to that person, but I don’t think it got much of the… errr… engagement
Video is making this thing go crazy
Sadly there are a bunch of libs on hexbear that still cannot separate anti-semitism from anti-zionism. Even the [person in the] video makes that clear it’s not this person’s position.
It’s really insane how embedded Mosad, AIPAC and the rest of the Isreal lobby are, and it’s not reality’s fault that Isreal has played into those tropes and hides behind them. It’s Israel’s fault for this shit, then they cry anti-semitism when you criticize them for literally any of the things they do. It’s breaking people’s brains in a way that this rabid dog state can get away with anything. Especially genocide.
I don’t know if you’re making some accusation here, but please don’t tell me that pointing out Israel’s lobby groups exist or that that Israel committing genocide is anti-semitic, that shit doesn’t work on me.
Sadly there are a bunch of libs on hexbear that still cannot separate anti-semitism from anti-zionism.
This has not been my experience at all. I think this community is pretty great at citicising Israel while still calling out when the criticism starts to veer into the conspiracy brained shit.
I don’t know if you’re making some accusation here, but please don’t tell me that pointing out Israel’s lobby groups exist or that that Israel committing genocide is anti-semitic, that shit doesn’t work on me.
No absolutely not. I’m well aware of the power of the Israeli lobbying groups and Israels genocide of Palestinians, there was a few too many sus conspiracy takes for my liking. “
jewsIsrael control the media” being one the ones that stood out the most. The bourgeoisie control the media, and maintaining US and western hegemony is their primary goal. Israel is just a tool to project US/western influence in the middle east. As Joe Biden said in 1986, “If there were not an Israel, we’d have to invent one.”Oh, also my post was tongue in cheek as when i logged back in it was at 88 comments, 14 new
Sure, I’m aware of and also sensitive to those tropes, too. Israel is the US’s rabid dog, but it’s also a more complicated and circular relationship than that. Israel takes orders from the CIA and State dept., but also bribes lower level politics through lobbies. Israel is a client state, but they also see themselves as superior to the US… and everyone else on earth. It’s what you get with ethno-supremacy. Israeli media shows a lot of contempt for the US and “the west”. The media is owned by the bourgeois, but the big money spigot is the black hole of US defense spending, which connects media with US DOD, CIA, FBI, all branches of the US military, MI6, Mosad, etc. All the narrative management from empire media propaganda originates from the highest level of the state, which means the freak coalition of “intelligence” groups, which does include Mosad because that’s the level of cooperation the US has with the Zionist entity.
Link says the site hasnt got a secure connection? Thought tankietube has ssl ngl
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Just checked and I’m showing a working LE cert. TLS 1.3
Israel is the attack dog of the empire, not the other way around. “Israelis” have not infiltrated US government or own US media. That’s like saying the military has infiltrated the Pentagon.
The most powerful zionists in amerikkka are kkkristian zionists
I agree, this is not a disciplined marxist, but the relationship is circular, because there are different levels of state politics. Israel is the US’s rabid attack dog, at the level of the CIA and State Department. But at lower levels of politics, it is not true, and Israel uses extensive lobbying to get other things that it wants. Mosad spies on the US and has stolen nuclear weapon research (PROMIS), lied about it’s operations to the US, etc.
Israel is also ethno-supremacist toward all non-Jewish Israelis, even the US. If you watch Israeli media, they constantly spit on the US and say ‘fuck America’ and ‘we are not the west’. They culturally and dogmatically see themselves as superior to the US.
this is a super important distinction that i see leftists (especially on twitter) fail to see all the fucking time its embarassing. This video posted is representing the vibes of an american who doesnt understand that its THEMSELVES that are doing all this, and is wrong over and over. Im surprised this shit even got posted here
The video has anti-semitic dog whistle vibes saying “Israelis own the media”. The video doesn’t feel very leftist to me.
Yeah it’s like 60% antisemitic conspiracy theories and 40% actual inhuman shit Israel is doing. This isn’t someone to hold as an example or an ally, this is someone to at the very least call out in their rhetoric
I don’t like dogwhistles either, but it doesn’t change the fact that Israel and Mosad have extensive lobbying and media groups. It’s vulgar that Israel is able to hide behind those dogwhistles, to some degree.
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funny how ignoring people’s simple material needs makes it hard to have them fall in line for you.
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Its always the poor nazis. Jfc with you people
Seems like you don’t know what a fascist ethnostate Israel is. Take a peek, won’t link the absolute horror stuff.
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Got thousands of videos, images, resources if you’re interested, but it’s really not hard to find.
Nazi Germany was also a fascistic ethostate. This is not a few bad apples, this is an entire society, culture and history.
- Israel is a settler colony based on the ideology of Zionism.
- Zionism is a political project, not a religion or ethnicity.
- Zionism is not Judaism. Zionism appropriates Judaism for political purposes.
- Most Jewish people are not Zionists.
- Most Zionists are Christians who believe the founding of a Jewish state is part of a biblical prophecy that bring about The Rapture (Christian prophecy about end of the earth when all living things are killed and time itself ends)
- A settler-colony is when a non-indigenous people take the land of another people, displacing the indigenous peoples. This typically involves murdering, enslaving, brutalizing, raping, ethnically cleansing, etc. the indigenous people. All of those things have been going in to the Palestinian people for 77 years.
- The idea for the state of Israel came about because an ethnically Jewish atheist names Theodore Herzl wanted to create his own colony modeled after the British settler-colony of Rhodesia , which itself is responsible for a mountain of atrocities.
- Herzl petitioned the British military to initially invade and colonize Palestine. Land and homes were taken from the indigenous Palestinians by violent force.
- After WW2 the Israeli colonists convinced the US and European countries to disallow the return of Jewish people displaced by WW2 to their original homes, having them redirected to the settler colony in order to expand and displace more people.
- The US, USSR (huge L), British and other countries decided to partition Palestine without the consent of the Palestinians
- This results in the first violent ethnic cleansing campaign that the Palestinians call the Nakba (catasprophe)
- That ethnic cleansing campaign has been gradually taking place since then. The native Palestinians have been denied almost all rights and are treated as subhumans.
- Pogroms (Destruction of homes, villages) have been constant. Farms are burned. Palestinians are mass-slaughtered, tortured, raped, starved, ridiculed and put into [concentration camps(https://israelpalestinenews.org/israels-little-known-concentration-and-labor-camps-1948-1955/)
- In the mid 2000s Israel built a gigantic fence with sniper towers, cameras, drones, alarms, razorwire, concrete, etc., around the Palestinian city of Gaza, making it the largest concentration camp on earth.
- Before the 2023 genocide began, it was the most densely populated place on earth.
- Most of the population are children because of the low survival probability in such a place.
- Even prior to 2023, Israeli Occupation Forces regularly invade Gaza to arrest, kill, harass, torture, interrogate and rape the prisoners that live there. Gazans have no rights and have no means of getting justice against their prison guards.
- Its basically been going on like this for 77 years
- Israel has one of the largest spy and assassin networks on earth called Mosad. It’s rivaled only by the CIA, which it often cooperates with to commit mass murder, political assassinations, regime change, cyberwarfare, blackmail, drug running and propaganda, among other things.
- Israel has a multibillion lobby group in the US that directly funds political campaigns that support Israels interests. Go look how many US politicians are bought and paid for by the Israel Lobby. It’s public record.
- Israel also has illegal nuclear weapons. Its an open secret. The french secretly gave them to David Ben-Gurion, and they later stole nuclear secrets from Palo Alto.
- Isreal has military attacked ALL of its neighbors, many times by sneak attack. Israel also regularly assassinates politicians, scientists, media figures, journalists, vocal opponents in all of it’s neighboring countries.
- Fun Fact: Israel has a thing called the Samson Option. It’s a protocol that if Israel ever feels that it’s existence is existentially threated, they plan to launch nuclear weapons at all of their allied countries, which presumably failed to help them. The idea is to make the earth uninhabitable with radiation, because if they cant exist as an belligerent ethno-supremacist state, then no one else can exist either!
- There is… soooo much more.
And before you ‘b-b-b-b-b-uuuuuut KHKHKHAMAS’. You should know that under INTERNATIONAL LAW an occupied people have a right to armed resistance against their occupiers!
Ask yourself this: If someone invaded your country, butchered your people, burned your homes, burned your farmes, stole your lands, killed your entire family for generations… Would you take up armed struggle against them? HOO BOY YOU SURE FUCKIN WOULD!
They didn’t behead babies or rape anyone. They wrote an explanation of their hostage operation Al-aqsa Flood. Unfortunately Netanyahu, who was under investigation for corruption and facing prison, used it as a False Flag Operation to instigate a war and stay in power. (I’ll explain that in a reply)
Also Hamas is the LEGITIMATE, DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT of Gaza. They have both a political wing and a military wing. The political wing exists to provide social services, ration resources, coordinate projects, etc. The MILITARY wing is there to protect the people from the Zionist occupiers and, god willing, some day liberate themselves. Hamas is a liberation group and has the legal right, under international law, to use armed resistance to fight Israel and de-colonize itself
You should celebrate the liberation and hope the Amerikkkan 4th Reich does not get involved and kill everyone. Stay safe.
Also, I did a little explainer on how we got to the insane brink of nuclear war that we are at now:
The “controlling the media” part is grasping for strings and a bit of a stretch, but the rest is accurate.
It’s not a tiny minority who contribute to the
warmassacre. The overwhelming majority of Israeli citizens over the age of 25 have served 2+ years in the IDF. Openly ethnonationalist parties have prevailed in the past 4 democratic* elections, and basically have a permanent mandate. The liberal opposition is in agreement with waging the war; their main disagreement is stylistic, just like the controlled liberal opposition in America. A plurality of Israeli Jews support the genocide and believe that Palestinians all need to be exterminated. Since 2023 that has probably become a clear majority. Israeli businesses are maintained with underpaid Palestinian labor. Hundreds of thousands of Israelis live on illegal settlements. All of them live on stolen land. The government and military are part and parcel of Israeli society.*As much as elections that systematically exclude a large demographic fraction can ever be called democratic.
When people say “death to Israel” they mean the State of Israel that denies human rights to Palestinians. The figurative “Israel”, as in the descendents of the twelve tribes of Hebrew people, is not being targeted. I don’t wish death to Israelis, but I do wish they would move back to the countries they came from so that a sovereign and inclusive Palestine can exist, and eventually welcome Jews back as equal citizens. Until that time, the only Israeli Jews who are good people are the dissidents and conscientious objectors.
I hope that spells it out for you.
Nah she even states in the video it’s not about killing Jewish people but instead about a proper response to Israel and Israelis perpetuating war crimes on Gaza. That yet again anything aggressive or angry towards Israel immediately gets the dogwhistles going is a sad reminder of how easily Israeli co-opted victimization while also horribly treating Jewish peoples not aligned with their own world views (look into what happened to the Ethiopian Jews that came to Israel or the horrible treatment of yiddish speaking Jews by Israelis).
She calls for violence against the Israelis. Agree that Israelis are not uniformly jews, there are Arabs as well. Not agree with the preface that every Israeli should be killed in order for the world to become a better place
Hey remember when Liberals were calling Russians “Orcs” and wishing for their entire country to be destroyed? (The Baltics still do that btw.)
Well now we get to do the same with Israel. Enjoy!
I very well remember it because I am russian myself. You were very helpful in securing the regime and taking down the morale of adequate russians. Mr Putin sends you a regard
Seriously shut the fuck up, people like you would have been quislings during World War 2, dipshit collaborators in genocide
The vast majority of Israelis are fanatical Zionists who cheer on mass child death and the literal fuckinremoved of Palestinians, you are a nazi fuck off and die
you are a nazi fuck off and die
Have a good day too. Please drink enough water and do not let the hate destroy you. Instead, try to do something more significant than writing hateful messages here
Did you put a second fedora on top of your fedora as you wrote that?
When you wrote this did you think you were doing some epic own?
Fucking highschool kid level of behaviour.
Reddit brain man… anyway Israel is a fascist ethnostate so yeah it kinda earns it’s FAFO moments
I’m sure that worked really well on reddit
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If they didn’t want to die they shouldn’t have colonized Palestine, join the IOF, and cheer for the bombardment and starvation of an entire group of people.
And considering that their government is insistent on using Israelis as human shields now that they’re in open conflict with Iran, if they still don’t want to die… they need to start rebelling and kill their heads of state.
Every time a bomb kills an Israeli, it’s not a warcrime. It’s karma.
Do you understand that you are the problem here, right? I know a few Israelis better than you are, warmonger
warmonger
ISRAEL FUCKING STARTED THE GENOCIDE AND ISRAEL FUCKING STARTED THIS WAR WITH IRAN TOO
Yes but they were very sad about it.
Oh no wait, that’s not true either
Do you understand that you are the problem here, right?
you know what, I don’t understand. I think you should show your work here
Huh guess we should have just hugged it out with the Nazis right?
We should’ve been nicer to the SS, Afrikaners, Rhodesians then they wouldn’t have genocided and murdered so many people.
Shut the fuck up! Genocide enabler
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we should’ve actually hanged every single nazi fuck instead of putting them in charge of NATO
Maybe then we’ve been more aware about how we all have their traits.
Speak for yourself, Nazi.
After all, they were the same humans as we are, but more educated, in some sense
We should’ve been nicer to the SS,
Unironically, yes.
This is exactly why I was just saying the other day we shouldn’t be hesitant to say that Nazis are not human. On a technical level they are biological humans, but they lost their humanity on a social level and we should be okay with this.
Otherwise, this is literally what you get. And when you get this, Nazis kill us.
This is similar to the dehumanizing logic used by Nazis themselves, and by many totalitarian or genocidal movements throughout history, where the first step is to argue that a group (e.g., Jews, Roma, Slavs, etc.) are “not truly human,” making it easier to justify atrocities against them.
You’re sitting here justifying atrocities you complete piece of shit
Source?
SS
they were the same humans as we are, but more educated, in some sense
care to explain this, cause this looks extra sus rn
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Were they more educated on how jews are the enemy than we are? Probably. What do you want me to explain here?
Oh, okay so you think “Jews are the enemy”? That’s surprising.
Seriously what are you trying to say with this? And what’re your thoughts on Moscow?
Oh, okay so you think “Jews are the enemy”?
How could you misread me that much?
And what’re your thoughts on Moscow?
Beautiful city, sometimes dirty. A lot of young people were playing on the streets when I was there last time. Liked the markets near train stations. Why?
I read your other comment where you said you’re Russian, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here.
The sentence you wrote in the context of SS being “more educated than us” implies that you do think SS were correctly educated on Jews being an enemy. Maybe I’m misreading it but I think it’s probably something lost in translation.
And I asked about Moscow because the last person that wandered in here and we dogpiled on said some very unreasonable things about Moscow, I thought we might get a repeat.
Why are you defending Zionists and Nazis? You don’t remember how they treated your country? Or how, probably, your family served in the military against them? They wouldn’t show you the same kindness. Anyway, you should probably greatly rephrase or rethink things because everyone here is really shitting on you right now and now I’m hoping it’s unjustified given what you said about Lenin. If you like Lenin, you should pay attention to what people here are trying to say to you about the Zionists.
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lmao immediately throws in the towel and reveals his nazism, that was fast, what’s wrong incel got a little too angry to troll, lol you neo-nazi dumb fuck
They don’t make ‘em like they used to
Hey can you go count how many bricks are in that wall over there?
Ok so we should destroy Israel, but politely?
What do you mean by destroy? It’s destroyed and rebuilt every second. If you know a way to stop Israel, neighbors, and all other far right regimes from killing people, spill the tea, dear
I mean abolish the legal entity known as “Israel” and encourage all illegal settlers to flee back to their countries of origin. Those that remain must give up all their real estate so it will be returned to its original owners. A new state would be formed, Palestine, and it would be secular and democratic republic with equal rights for all citizens regardless of ethnicity or religion. Tribunals will need to be held to punish those involved in the genocide, executions of those who participated directly like the Nazis. American officials and armed forces are to leave the country.
This is what happened to Rhodesia and Apartheid South Africa. It’s what will need to happen to Israel.
This is the “one state solution” you have probably heard much maligned by the media, if ever mentioned. This is the goal of the Palestine movement. This is the goal of Hezbollah, the PFLP, much of the resistance front. This was the position of PLO before it was destroyed in the Oslo Accords (which the Israelis never upheld their end of the deal). This is the correct position. If you doubt these “evil terrorists” had such a rational goal, go listen to Nasrallah speak or read his writings. I dare you.
encourage all illegal settlers to flee back to their countries
You are literally calling for what’s called genocide. Genocide the children of genociders - a very good solution, I presume.
Other than that, your picture is clear. In general, I agree, but the technicalities like the aforementioned one and the following
abolish the legal entity known as “Israel”
Unnecessary.
Those that remain must give up all their real estate so it will be returned to its original owners.
Give up -> share.
Tribunals will need to be held to punish those involved in the genocide, executions of those who participated directly like the Nazis.
While virtuous, it is impossible without an external force. Also please include the Hamas heads here
You are literally calling for what’s called genocide.
Do you think it was a genocide when all the Rhodesians had to go home too?
Unnecessary.
Because…?
Give up -> share.
No. No, it has to go back to its real owners.
impossible without an external force
So extremely possible
Also please include the Hamas heads here
Absolutely not, under international law Palestinians have a legal right to self defence that Israel does not.
Israel was invented in 1948, many people are alive who remember when it didn’t exist. It’s only a generation or two old. It is not genocide to encourage the emigration of recently arrived colonizers. They are free to stay as long as the follow the new laws, give up all their real estate and aren’t guilty of genocide in the tribunal. Most will flee on their own because most won’t abide those conditions, or they’ll go down fighting for their nazi beliefs. That is decolonization.
Nobody is forced to leave but everyone who was complicit in the military will be executed for genocide. All settler property will be reconfiscated and returned.
This is the totally pure version of this. Reality is gonna be a lot more messy. Tough shit, Israel brought this upon itself.
give up -> share
If someone robs you at gunpoint and you manage to somehow bring him to court, would sharing be the right sentence?
Nah, couldn’t commit enough to the bit. Started okay but got lazy real quick. 2/10, hit the showers and come back later for a re-troll.
There was more resistance in nazi Germany than there is in Israel today as the country is engaged in genocide, illegally occupying parts of Lebanon (as is tradition in their country) and trying to drag the US into a war that will be a disaster whether we win or lose that will make the Iraq war look good in comparison.
poll after poll shows that the genocide is popular among israelis.
So? The idea that we just kill bad people in order to make the world good again is literally what moves this world into madness
Says the Nazi.
The state of the world is violent and oppressive and profoundly unjust. Violence is systematically used by the powerful against the powerless. Categorically renouncing violence will only allow the present state to continue.
Liberation and equality have never been won without at least the clear and present threat of violence. Power concedes nothing without a demand, the rich will never allow you to vote their affluence away, a riot is the language of the unheard, etc.
You can dislike violence and also see a specific, principled, and limited use of it as a necessity to move to a better world. If you claim to dislike violence but in practice mostly oppose the revolutionary violence done by the underclass, you make yourself a useful idiot for the powerful, and in effect you throw your lot in with the oppressors.
You haven’t said anything I would disagree with, yet you are wrong. Y’all are cheering not a revolutionary violence
You haven’t said anything I would disagree with, yet you are wrong.
The violence of Hamas is the weak targeting the strong. To every extent possible, it does not target or harm the helpless; it primarily seeks the wherewithal to bargain with; it seeks military targets first and foremost; hostages are treated charitably as opposed to the settler colony which habitually uses SA and torture on the people it abducts to gratify its wrath. Watch the testimony of Oct 7 survivors like Yasmin Porat; listen to 51 Days or any other rigorous account of the experiences. What is happening is a fighting back against the oppressor until the oppressor’s privileged position becomes untenable. Fighting against a military occupation by a fascist ethnostate is revolutionary by definition. Outside of the West, nobody has brainworms about Hamas; they are seen as freedom fighters regardless of their religious/political persuasions.
The violence of Iran against Israel is remarkably restrained, and defensive in nature.
You are being unrealistic by expecting a standard of nonviolence, and you have the hypocrisy of living in places where you are ultimately a beneficiary either of successful revolutionary violence, or of colonization, or both. Nowhere on Earth was self-determination won without bearing arms.
You are contradicting yourself
You’re the kind of person who would would’ve rolled over for the Nazis as your neighbors got hauled off to the camps.
Yes? What can I do from the camp? I do not fantasize about becoming a martyr, you know
Not to brag, but I left Russia after the war started and I was able to help ukrainian refugees and russian dodgers. It wasn’t much but it made a difference for a few. Also I could’ve protested against war and been thrown to jail, but that would be silly
Why did you leave Russia? You should have stayed and been friendly to warmonger Russian nationalists, I’m sure that would have changed their mind!
no it isn’t
Ok, let’s then cheer Israel for killing Iranians and cheer Iran for killing Israelis because the polls show how bad these people are anyway.
i know about the genocide in palestine, what did the fuck did iranians do for you to equivocate like that?
Well, since we have suddenly started to equate the regime and people, I thought that we can do it for both sides. Or are you apologetic for Ayatollah regime?
either way fam
israel is committing genocide, iran is doing ______ ?
israelis broadly support the genocide, iranians ______?
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Sadly, the innate human propensity to “hate the Other” seals our fate as a society… or something along those lines.
I am going to argue that this narrative is nonsense. It tries to pass off as universal and eternal something that in reality is particular and ephemeral. In short: Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live. The psychic and material costs are rationally worth the benefits. As for those anti-imperialists who don’t participate in this festival of xenophobia — and here I include myself — we have our own elitist consolation: we accept the tragedy of masses of gullible sheeple falling for cunning propaganda because having overcome it flatters our own intelligence. The more we condemn society’s stupidity, the smarter we feel in comparison.
It’s always about a tiny minority of people who actually contribute to war.
Also wrong, Israel is a heavily armed bourgeois settler religious extremist society since the Nakba.
“Bourgeois proletarians”? Is that explained further or do they mean privileged proletarians?
The proper term would probably be “labor aristocracy”.
Labor aristocrats, working class class traitors who side with the global bourgeois (usa & lackeys) instead of the global proletariat (the rest of the world).
They get bought with imperial loot.
It’s a good read. The idea of ‘licencing’ resonates well with me. But I have yet to reach the conclusion where the author says that inciting mortal hate against the so-called Bourgeois Proletariat actually helps to build a better world and not draws a major group away from you.
But I have yet to reach the conclusion where the author says that inciting mortal hate against the so-called Bourgeois Proletariat actually helps to build a better world and not draws a major group away from you.
As opposed to what exactly? Asking them nicely to stop being self centered racist assholes?
Of course you reach a different conclusion than the author, that’s because you have a different class interest.
How does one go about dismantling the far right military dictatorship where most citizens are trained and active members in their military without killing them?
Hahaha, you are literally a warmonger like them but let’s assume you are indeed but in a good faith.
The numbers like “the majority” are not set in stone. They are fluid. And frankly, in autocratic regimes do not matter much. It’s never that people gather and dismantle the regime barehandedly, beating police and secret service. Neither in near-democracies where the economic elite is all consolidated near the government.
What can I do to help?
This is not about you, like the legend said. You cannot do much, but what you can actually do, is to reduce in-out group hate dynamics. Otherwise, when a chance appears, this hate will drag those who can change something away from you.
It might sound like I’m preaching Jesus or something but no. It’s time to start reading Lenin, my friend.
Follow your leader, Nazi.
It’s time to start reading Lenin, my friend.
Couldn’t agree more, homie.
fuck off dipshit oh my god
Hahaha, you are literally a warmonger
Oh, okay, cool
Read your reply and aside from the massive amounts of
, you didn’t actually answer the questionWe’re talking about Israel, a nation where nearly every able-bodied citizen is a trained soldier
A nation where over 80% of the population supports what they’re doing to Gaza
How do you stop them without resorting to violence?
Because it certainly seems like you’re advocating for just asking them politely, which as the last 70+ years have shown, hasn’t exactly worked
Because what Lenin has to say about the subject is very different than what you’re saying
Thanks. Appreciate it.
How do you stop them without resorting to violence?
Who’s gonna exercise that righteous violence? Far right Islamic groups?
Neither you or me are in the position of power here. Resort to violence is necessary when it’s agentic.
We can collectively fantasize about hanging up Bibi on the street but it’s not what’s gonna happen. More so, if it were to happen, that fantasy would lead us to cheer the power that hung up Bibi, making us effectively blind to how bad this new power is.
Spoiler alert: South Africa didn’t become free by “being nice” to the perpetrators of Apartheid (some of who were even literal Nazis that worked in the concentration camps; even John Vorster himself served in Hitler’s cabinet prior to becoming PM and then deepthroating Menachem Begin’s boot for nucleear weapons). A free South Africa meant to struggle against everything that the demonic Nazi entity represented, at the end of a Vektor R4 rifle.
NetanSShatu, Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Katz, Gallant and Saar should all be hanged from the pylons of the Nelson Mandela Bridge and I don’t say that lightly.
Who’s gonna exercise that righteous violence? Far right Islamic groups?
Last I checked, the Israelis are the ones instigating violence and Hamas and Iran are retaliating
The only reason why these “far-right Islamic” groups are fighting is because Israel started it
Neither you or me are in the position of power here. Resort to violence is necessary when it’s agentic.
Again, this doesn’t answer my question of how exactly people are supposed to stop Israel without violence
Israel is literally starting the unnecessary violence, Hamas and Iran are responding with necessary violence because otherwise Israel would kill them all without a second thought. I can’t think of anything more agentic than that
We can collectively fantasize about hanging up Bibi on the street but it’s not what’s gonna happen. More so, if it were to happen, that fantasy would lead us to cheer the power that hung up Bibi, making us effectively blind to how bad this new power is.
Yeah, he’ll either die cowering in a bunker or flee to the USA and get the VIP treatment. But the genocide of Palestinians would stop
I don’t know about you, but the group that stops a genocide would have the moral high ground regardless of whether or not you think they’re bad
And in this circumstance, Iran certainly has the moral high ground over Israel and Hamas even more so
You’re basically arguing for nothing but allowing Israel to continue mass murder but attempting to dress it up with vaguely progressive sounding terms and liberal concepts of “But what if the people who stopped the genocide were somehow worse than the people committing genocide, did you ever think of that?
”It’s pure hugger-muggery
