The state of the world is violent and oppressive and profoundly unjust. Violence is systematically used by the powerful against the powerless. Categorically renouncing violence will only allow the present state to continue.
Liberation and equality have never been won without at least the clear and present threat of violence. Power concedes nothing without a demand, the rich will never allow you to vote their affluence away, a riot is the language of the unheard, etc.
You can dislike violence and also see a specific, principled, and limited use of it as a necessity to move to a better world. If you claim to dislike violence but in practice mostly oppose the revolutionary violence done by the underclass, you make yourself a useful idiot for the powerful, and in effect you throw your lot in with the oppressors.
The violence of Hamas is the weak targeting the strong. To every extent possible, it does not target or harm the helpless; it primarily seeks the wherewithal to bargain with; it seeks military targets first and foremost; hostages are treated charitably as opposed to the settler colony which habitually uses SA and torture on the people it abducts to gratify its wrath. Watch the testimony of Oct 7 survivors like Yasmin Porat; listen to 51 Days or any other rigorous account of the experiences. What is happening is a fighting back against the oppressor until the oppressor’s privileged position becomes untenable. Fighting against a military occupation by a fascist ethnostate is revolutionary by definition. Outside of the West, nobody has brainworms about Hamas; they are seen as freedom fighters regardless of their religious/political persuasions.
The violence of Iran against Israel is remarkably restrained, and defensive in nature.
You are being unrealistic by expecting a standard of nonviolence, and you have the hypocrisy of living in places where you are ultimately a beneficiary either of successful revolutionary violence, or of colonization, or both. Nowhere on Earth was self-determination won without bearing arms.
Yes? What can I do from the camp? I do not fantasize about becoming a martyr, you know
Not to brag, but I left Russia after the war started and I was able to help ukrainian refugees and russian dodgers. It wasn’t much but it made a difference for a few. Also I could’ve protested against war and been thrown to jail, but that would be silly
Well, since we have suddenly started to equate the regime and people, I thought that we can do it for both sides. Or are you apologetic for Ayatollah regime?
Well, since we have suddenly started to equate the regime and people,
The reason people are saying that every Israeli is complicit is because they are literally all settlers living on land stolen from the Palestinian people. Iranians are not. And you can’t even wash it away as “ancient history” because it only started in 1948, and it is an active process to this day (against “international law”, for all that that’s worth).
So? The idea that we just kill bad people in order to make the world good again is literally what moves this world into madness
Says the Nazi.
The state of the world is violent and oppressive and profoundly unjust. Violence is systematically used by the powerful against the powerless. Categorically renouncing violence will only allow the present state to continue.
Liberation and equality have never been won without at least the clear and present threat of violence. Power concedes nothing without a demand, the rich will never allow you to vote their affluence away, a riot is the language of the unheard, etc.
You can dislike violence and also see a specific, principled, and limited use of it as a necessity to move to a better world. If you claim to dislike violence but in practice mostly oppose the revolutionary violence done by the underclass, you make yourself a useful idiot for the powerful, and in effect you throw your lot in with the oppressors.
You haven’t said anything I would disagree with, yet you are wrong. Y’all are cheering not a revolutionary violence
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The violence of Hamas is the weak targeting the strong. To every extent possible, it does not target or harm the helpless; it primarily seeks the wherewithal to bargain with; it seeks military targets first and foremost; hostages are treated charitably as opposed to the settler colony which habitually uses SA and torture on the people it abducts to gratify its wrath. Watch the testimony of Oct 7 survivors like Yasmin Porat; listen to 51 Days or any other rigorous account of the experiences. What is happening is a fighting back against the oppressor until the oppressor’s privileged position becomes untenable. Fighting against a military occupation by a fascist ethnostate is revolutionary by definition. Outside of the West, nobody has brainworms about Hamas; they are seen as freedom fighters regardless of their religious/political persuasions.
The violence of Iran against Israel is remarkably restrained, and defensive in nature.
You are being unrealistic by expecting a standard of nonviolence, and you have the hypocrisy of living in places where you are ultimately a beneficiary either of successful revolutionary violence, or of colonization, or both. Nowhere on Earth was self-determination won without bearing arms.
You are contradicting yourself
You’re the kind of person who would would’ve rolled over for the Nazis as your neighbors got hauled off to the camps.
Yes? What can I do from the camp? I do not fantasize about becoming a martyr, you know
Not to brag, but I left Russia after the war started and I was able to help ukrainian refugees and russian dodgers. It wasn’t much but it made a difference for a few. Also I could’ve protested against war and been thrown to jail, but that would be silly
Why did you leave Russia? You should have stayed and been friendly to warmonger Russian nationalists, I’m sure that would have changed their mind!
no it isn’t
Ok, let’s then cheer Israel for killing Iranians and cheer Iran for killing Israelis because the polls show how bad these people are anyway.
i know about the genocide in palestine, what did the fuck did iranians do for you to equivocate like that?
Well, since we have suddenly started to equate the regime and people, I thought that we can do it for both sides. Or are you apologetic for Ayatollah regime?
The reason people are saying that every Israeli is complicit is because they are literally all settlers living on land stolen from the Palestinian people. Iranians are not. And you can’t even wash it away as “ancient history” because it only started in 1948, and it is an active process to this day (against “international law”, for all that that’s worth).
either way fam
israel is committing genocide, iran is doing ______ ?
israelis broadly support the genocide, iranians ______?
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