• vivalapivoBanned from community
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    13 hours ago

    Hahaha, you are literally a warmonger like them but let’s assume you are indeed but in a good faith.

    The numbers like “the majority” are not set in stone. They are fluid. And frankly, in autocratic regimes do not matter much. It’s never that people gather and dismantle the regime barehandedly, beating police and secret service. Neither in near-democracies where the economic elite is all consolidated near the government.

    What can I do to help?

    This is not about you, like the legend said. You cannot do much, but what you can actually do, is to reduce in-out group hate dynamics. Otherwise, when a chance appears, this hate will drag those who can change something away from you.

    It might sound like I’m preaching Jesus or something but no. It’s time to start reading Lenin, my friend.

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      11 hours ago

      Hahaha, you are literally a warmonger

      Oh, okay, cool

      Read your reply and aside from the massive amounts of smuglord, you didn’t actually answer the question

      We’re talking about Israel, a nation where nearly every able-bodied citizen is a trained soldier

      A nation where over 80% of the population supports what they’re doing to Gaza

      How do you stop them without resorting to violence?

      Because it certainly seems like you’re advocating for just asking them politely, which as the last 70+ years have shown, hasn’t exactly worked

      Because what Lenin has to say about the subject is very different than what you’re saying

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        11 hours ago

        Thanks. Appreciate it.

        How do you stop them without resorting to violence?

        Who’s gonna exercise that righteous violence? Far right Islamic groups?

        Neither you or me are in the position of power here. Resort to violence is necessary when it’s agentic.

        We can collectively fantasize about hanging up Bibi on the street but it’s not what’s gonna happen. More so, if it were to happen, that fantasy would lead us to cheer the power that hung up Bibi, making us effectively blind to how bad this new power is.

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          Spoiler alert: South Africa didn’t become free by “being nice” to the perpetrators of Apartheid (some of who were even literal Nazis that worked in the concentration camps; even John Vorster himself served in Hitler’s cabinet prior to becoming PM and then deepthroating Menachem Begin’s boot for nucleear weapons). A free South Africa meant to struggle against everything that the demonic Nazi entity represented, at the end of a Vektor R4 rifle.

          NetanSShatu, Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Katz, Gallant and Saar should all be hanged from the pylons of the Nelson Mandela Bridge and I don’t say that lightly.

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          Who’s gonna exercise that righteous violence? Far right Islamic groups?

          Last I checked, the Israelis are the ones instigating violence and Hamas and Iran are retaliating

          The only reason why these “far-right Islamic” groups are fighting is because Israel started it

          Neither you or me are in the position of power here. Resort to violence is necessary when it’s agentic.

          Again, this doesn’t answer my question of how exactly people are supposed to stop Israel without violence

          Israel is literally starting the unnecessary violence, Hamas and Iran are responding with necessary violence because otherwise Israel would kill them all without a second thought. I can’t think of anything more agentic than that

          We can collectively fantasize about hanging up Bibi on the street but it’s not what’s gonna happen. More so, if it were to happen, that fantasy would lead us to cheer the power that hung up Bibi, making us effectively blind to how bad this new power is.

          Yeah, he’ll either die cowering in a bunker or flee to the USA and get the VIP treatment. But the genocide of Palestinians would stop

          I don’t know about you, but the group that stops a genocide would have the moral high ground regardless of whether or not you think they’re bad

          And in this circumstance, Iran certainly has the moral high ground over Israel and Hamas even more so

          You’re basically arguing for nothing but allowing Israel to continue mass murder but attempting to dress it up with vaguely progressive sounding terms and liberal concepts of “But what if the people who stopped the genocide were somehow worse than the people committing genocide, did you ever think of that? berdly-smug

          It’s pure hugger-muggery