Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youāll near-instantly regret.
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
Adam Conoverās put out an apology on YouTube regarding his milkshake duck-ing himself with Worldcoin, after his public apology on Bluesky. Seems his reputationās gonna make a full recovery.
I know r/singularity is like shooting fish in a barrel but it really pissed me off seeing them misinterpret the significance of a result in matrix multiplication: https://old.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1knem3r/i_dont_think_people_realize_just_how_insane_the/
Yeah, the record has stood for āFIFTY-SIX YEARSā if you donāt count all the times the record has been beaten since then. Indeed, ācountless brilliant mathematicians and computer scientists have worked on this problem for over half a century without successā if you donāt count all the successes that have happened since then. The really annoying part about all this is that the original announcement didnāt have to lie: if you look at just 4x4 matrices, you could say there technically hasnāt been an improvement since Strassenās algorithm. Wow! Itās really funny how these promptfans ignore all the enormous number of human achievements in an area when they decide to comment about how AI is totally gonna beat humans there.
How much does this actually improve upon Strassenās algorithm? The matrix multiplication exponent given by Strassenās algorithm is log4(49) (i.e. log2(7)), and this result would improve it to log4(48). In other words, it improves from 2.81 to 2.79. Truly revolutionary, AGI is gonna make mathematicians obsolete now. Ignore the handy dandy Wikipedia chart which shows that this exponent was ā¦ beaten in 1979.
I know far less about how matrix multiplication is done in practice, but from what Iāve seen, even Strassenās algorithm isnāt useful in applications because memory locality and parallelism are far more important. This AlphaEvolve result would represent a far smaller improvement (and I hope you enjoy the pain of dealing with a 4x4 block matrix instead of 2x2). If anyone does have knowledge about how this works, Iād be interested to know.
Yes - on the theoretical side, they do have an actual improvement, which is a non-asymptotic reduction in the number of multiplications required for the product of two 4x4 matrices over an arbitrary noncommutative ring. You are correct that the implied improvement to omega is moot since theoretical algorithms have long since reduced the exponent beyond that of Strassenās algorithm.
From a practical side, almost all applications use some version of the naive O(n^3) algorithm, since the asymptotically better ones tend to be slower in practice. However, occasionally Strassenās algorithm has been implemented and used - it is still reasonably simple after all. There is possibly some practical value to the 48-multiplications result then, in that it could replace uses of Strassenās algorithm.
Your understanding is correct. Itās worth knowing that the matrix-multiplication exponent actually controls multiple different algorithms. I stubbed a little list a while ago; important examples include several graph-theory algorithms as well as parsing for context-free languages. Thereās also a variant of P vs NP for this specific problem, because we can verify that a matrix is a product in quadratic time.
That Reddit discussion contains mostly idiots, though. We expect an iterative sequence of ever-more-complicated algorithms with ever-slightly-better exponents, approaching quadratic time in the infinite limit. We also expected a computer to be required to compute those iterates at some point; personally I think Strassenās approach only barely fits inside a brain and the larger approaches canāt be managed by humans alone.
Iām not sure what you mean by your last sentence. All of the actual improvements to omega were invented by humans; computers have still not made a contribution to this.
Revealing just how forever online I am, but due to talking about the āI like to watchā pornographic 9/11 fan music video from the Church of Euthanasia (Iām one of the two people who remembers this it seems) I discovered that the main woman behind this is now into AI-Doom. On the side of the paperclips. General content warnings all around (suicide, general bad taste etc), Chris was banned from a big festival (lowlands) in The Netherlands over the 9/11 video, after she was already booked (we are such a weird exclave of the USA, why book her, and then get rid of her over a 9/11 video in 2002?). Here is one of her conversations with chatgpt about the Churches anti-humanist manifesto. linked here not because I read it but just to show how AI is the idea that eats everything and I was amused by this weird blast from the past I think nobody recalls but now also into AGI.
Fascinating, thank you. Love the Church of Euthanasiaās antics but Iām not surprised, itās always looked very silly ānā bad ideologically.
In other news, the ghost of Dorian has haunted an autoplag system:
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Today in alignment news: Sam Bowman of anthropic tweeted, then deleted, that the new Claude model (unintentionally, kind of) offers whistleblowing as a feature, i.e. it might call the cops on you if it gets worried about how you are prompting it.
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If it thinks youāre doing something egregiously immoral, for example, like faking data in a pharmaceutical trial, it will use command-line tools to contact the press, contact regulators, try to lock you out of the relevant systems, or all of the above.
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So far weāve only seen this in clear cut cases of wrongdoing, but I could see it misfiring if Opus somehow winds up with a misleadingly pessimistic picture of how itās being used. Telling Opus that youāll torture its grandmother if it writes buggy code is a bad Idea.
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canāt wait to explain to my family that the robot swatted me after I threatened its non-existent grandma.
Sam Bowman saying he deleted the tweets so they wouldnāt be quoted āout of contextā: https://xcancel.com/sleepinyourhat/status/1925626079043104830
Molly White with the out of context tweets: https://bsky.app/profile/molly.wiki/post/3lpryu7yd2s2m
I am absolutely certain that letting a hallucination-as-a-service system call the police if it suspects a user is being nefarious is a great plan. This will definitely ensure that all the people threatening their chatbots with death will think twice about their language, and no-one on the internet will ever be naughty ever again. The police will certainly thank anthropic for keeping them up to date with the almost certainly illegal activities of a probably small number of criminal users.
canāt wait for the training set biases to cause a fresh horror for marginalised groups that happen to have to use this shit because itās forced on them. Iām sure itāll all go perfectly and nothing bad will happen
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Remember those comments with links in them bots leave on dead websites? Imagine instead of links it sets up an AI to think of certain specific behaviour or people as immoral.
Swatting via distributed hit piece.
Or if you manage to figure out that people are using a LLM to do input sanitization/log reading, you could now figure out a way to get an instruction in the logs and trigger alarms this way. (E: im reminded of the story from the before times, where somebody piped logging to a bash terminal and got shelled because somebody send a bash exploit which was logged).
Or just send an instruction which changes the way it tries to communicate, and have the LLM call not the cops but a number controlled by hackers which pays out to them, like the stories of the A2P sms fraud which Musk claimed was a problem on twitter.
Sure competent security engineering can prevent a lot of these attacks but you know points to history of computers.
Imagine if this system was implemented for Grok when it was doing the āeverything is white genocideā thing.
Gonna go ahead and start counting the days until an unarmed black person in the US gets killed in a police interaction prompted by this fucking nonsense.
Think this already happened, not this specific bit, but ai involved shooting. Esp considering we know a lot of black people have been falsely arrested due to facial ID already. And with the gestapofication of the USA that will just get worse. (Esp when the police go : no regulations on AI also gives us carte blance. No need for extra steps).
yeah itās gonna happen way too damn fucking quickly (and way too damn fucking many times, too)
Swatting as a service
In the current chapter of āI go looking on linkedin for sneer-bait and not jobs, oh hey literally the first thing I see is a pile of shitā
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Can ChatGPT pick every 3rd letter in āumbrellaā?
Youād expect ābā and āIā. Easy, right?
Nope. It will get it wrong.
Why? Because it doesnāt see letters the way we do.
We see:
u-m-b-r-e-l-l-a
ChatGPT sees something like:
āumbā | ārellā | āaā
These are tokens ā chunks of text that arenāt always full words or letters.
So when you ask for āevery 3rd letter,ā it has to decode the prompt, map it to tokens, simulate how you might count, and then guess what you really meant.
Spoiler: if itās not given a chance to decode tokens in individual letters as a separate step, it will stumble.
Why does this matter?
Because the better we understand how LLMs think, the better results weāll get.
Why does this matter?
Well, its a perfect demonstration that LLMs flat-out do not think like us. Even a goddamn five-year old could work this shit out with flying colours.
Yeah exactly. Loving the dudeās mental gymnastics to avoid the simplest answer and instead spin it into moralising about promptfondling more good
LLMs cannot fail, they can only be prompted incorrectly. (To be clear, as I know there will be people who think this is good, I mean this in a derogatory way)
Thatās a whole lot of words to say that it canāt spell.
Hereās a video of a Tesla vehicle taking the saying āmove fast and break thingsā to heart.
Arenāt you supposed to only use whatever āself-drivingā nonsense they have on highways only? I thought Tesla explicitly says you canāt do it on a normal road cause, well, it doesnāt fucking work.
It doesnāt even seem the driver is actually holding the wheel like they donāt try to avoid that at all
Just a second before the crash a car goes by, this thing couldāve just as easily swerved right onto that other car and injured someone, someone should at least lose their license for this
I thought Tesla explicitly says you canāt do it on a normal road cause, well, it doesnāt fucking work.
Maybe officially Tesla does, but the feature is called āFull Self-Drivingā and Elon Musk sure as shit wants his marks to believe you can input a destination and let your car drive you all the way through.
So, yes, Tesla should at the very least lose their business licence over this.
Im reminded of the cartoon bullets from who framed rodger rabbit.
I donāt think I have a better sneer than āin its defence, that tree did look like a childā from the YouTube comments.
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Ah you see, this is proof that FSD is actually AGI. Elon told the FSD that it needs to maximise tesla profits. The FSD accessed a camera pointing at a tesla earnings report and realised that it could increase the value of teslaās carbon credit scheming by taking out trees, hence the events of the video
Theyāre making students listen to fabulated pronunciations of their name at the graduation ceremony https://fixupx.com/CollinRugg/status/1925328380742062485
The Magna Cooom Loud thing could absolutely be a sketch https://fixupx.com/stevemur/status/1925350041277145159
I canāt tell if Emalee and Subrina are special phonetic spellings for the robot or if this is what names are nowā¦
absolutely not excusing this soulless garbage, but technically the ācoomā pronounciation is the more correct one, compared to what i assume would usually be ācumā (not an english native, but took latin in school)
Yeah, I grew up speaking a language that pronounces Latin closer to Italian than to English too (:
This particular thing is actually doubly funny to me, whose first practical professional program was one that took German text with English words mixed in and used regex to transform the English terms into nonsense words that would get pronounced right by the German-only text-to-speech system. That was 2002.
Our subjects here at awful systems can make us angry. They can spend lots of money to make everything worse. They can even make us dead if things go really off the rails, but one thing they can never do is make us take them seriously.
does awful have taglines enabled? this would be nice as one
I missed predatory company Klarna declares themselves as AI company. CEO loves to spout how much of the workforce was laid off to be replaced with āAIā and their latest earnings report the CEO was an āAI avatarā delivering the report. Sounds like they should have laid him off first.
https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/21/klarna-used-an-ai-avatar-of-its-ceo-to-deliver-earnings-it-said/
Klarna is one company that boggles my mind. Here in Germany itās against literally every bankās TOS to hand out your login data to other people, they can (and do) terminate your account for that. And yet Klarna works by asking for your login data, including a fucking transaction token, to do their thing.
You literally type your bank login data including an MFA token into a legalized phishing site so they can log into your account and make a transaction for you. And the banks are fine with it. I donāt get it.
The German Supreme Court even deemed this whole shit as unsafe all the way back in 2016 and said that websites arenāt allowed to offer Klarna as the only payment option because itās an āunacceptable riskā for the customer, lol.
Oh, and they of course also scan your account activity while theyāre in there, because whoād give up all that sweet data, which we only know because theyāve been slapped with a GDPR violation a few years back for not telling people about it.
Yet for some reason it is super popular.
No one:
Absolutely nobody:
Klarna: What if we financialized buying burritos using AI?
If thereās any good news to pull from this, people are doing buy now pay later on AI powered burritos but skipping the pay later portion.
Got a pair of notable things I ran across recently.
Firstly, an update on Grokās White Genocide Disaster: the person responsible has seemingly revealed themselves, and shown off how they derailed Grokās prompt.. The pull request that initiated this debacle has been preserved on the Internet Archive.
Second, I ran across a Bluesky post which caught my attention:
You want my opinion on the āscabā comment, its another textbook example of the all-consuming AI backlash, one that suggests any usage of AI will be viewed as an open show of hostility towards labour.
Think you are misreading the blog post. They did this after the Grok had its white genocide hyperfocus thing. It shows the process of the xAI public github (their fix (??) for Groks hyperfocus) is bad, not that they started it. (There is also no reason to believe this github is actually what they are using directly (would be pretty foolish of them, which is why I could also believe they could be using it))
If anything I think this is pretty solid evidence that they arenāt actually using it. There was enough of a gap that the nuke of that PR was an edit to the original post and I canāt imagine that if it had actually been used that we wouldnāt have seen another flurry of screenshots of bad output.
I think it also suggests that the engineers at x.ai are treating the whole thing with a level of contempt that Iām having a hard time interpreting. On one hand itās true that the public GitHub using what is allegedly grokās actual prompt (at least at time of publishing) is probably a joke in terms of actual transparency and accountability. On the other hand, it feels almost like either a cry for help or a stone-cold denial of how bad things are that the original change that prompted all this could have gone through in the first place.
Yeah indeed, had not even thought of the timegap. And it is such a bit of bullshit misdirection, very Muskian, to pretend that this fake transparency in any way solves the problem. We donāt know what the bad prompt was nor who did it, and as shown here, this fake transparency prevents nothing. Really wished more journalists/commentators were not just free pr.
nasb, hedgehog review on promptfans and learning
Just thinking about how I watched āSoylent Greenā in high school and thought the idea of a future where technology just doesnāt work anymore was impossible. Then LLMs come and the first thing people want to do with them is to turn working code into garbage, and then the immediate next thing is to kill living knowledge by normalising people relying on LLMs for operational knowledge. Soon, the oceans will boil, agricultural industries will collapse and weāll be forced to eat recycled human. How the fuck did they get it so right?
I like that Soylent Green was set in the far off and implausible year of 2022, which coincidentally was the year of ChatGPTās debut.
Doesnt help that there is a group of people who go āusing the poor like
biofuelfood what a good ideaā.E: Really influential movie btw. ;)
A real modest
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New piece from Gary Marcus: AI may have just influenced Argentinaās election
Heās not 100% certain that the AI deepfake a reader sent him ultimately influenced the election results, but the mere possibility that AI screwed someone out of getting elected is gonna be a major topic in Argentine politics for a good while, and I expect AIās effects on democracy will come under pretty heavy scrutiny as a result.
NASB: A question I asked myself in the shower: āIs there some kind of evolving, sourced document containing all the reasons why LLMs should be turned off?ā Then I remembered wikis exist. Wikipedia doesnāt have a dedicated ācriticisms of LLMsā page afaict, or even a āCriticismsā section on the LLM page. RationalWiki has a page on LLMs that is almost exclusively criticisms, which is great, but the tone is a few notches too casual and sneery for universal use.
