Are people not paying attention, or just love to blame Democrats? They’re not asking for compromises. They’re making clear demands and getting voted down. Most recently, the House Judiciary Committee voted on the deportations. Democrats insisted that citizens be exempt from deportation. Republicans voted them down. This is what happens when you have full Republican control of our government. Keep bitching about the minority party fighting for you, and this is here to stay.
You want fresh blood in the seats? Me too. Vote in the congressional midterm primaries next year. We all have a say in who sits in those seats, but only the elderly retirees show up for the vote.
And they’ve been sitting on their hands for years even when they did have power. They routinely allow this shit to happen and it’s a little late to say them asking if maybe US citizens could be exempt shows how great they really are. Like, they should be demanding that any deportation needs far better scrutiny, and that would right there take care of the citizen part while also protecting so many others. It’s basically the meme we’re commenting on!
They aren’t protecting the US from shit, and it fucking shows. Your country is bad and you should feel bad, not be making excuses and complaining about Democrats not getting respect for unsuccessfully doing the bare minimum and then saying “guess that’s that.”
The only time in the last 30 years that Democrats had the same control that Republicans have now, was the 111th Congress. It was considered the most productive Congress since the 89th Congress.
Joe Biden took office directly after J6, allowed Garland to pull pud for four years, then got the biggest fucking stick an American president has ever gotten from the SC, and handed it to Trump.
Oh they’re far from ideal. They’re also far from the Republicans. Actively voting in congressional primaries is how we can make them into the opposition party we want.
To vote in a primary election, I would have to join one of the parties holding primaries. I would never join a party that supports fascism and genocide, which means no Democratic party and no Republican party. Joining one of those two is no different than signing up for the Nazi party or the KKK. I would never want to be associated with either party. If I ever join a party it will be the Green party.
I think you misunderstand. The majority of politicians in both parties fully support MAGA and Israel, though the Democrats perform a lot of theater about not liking MAGA while they vote in favor of MAGA every chance they get. The point is, before I would even consider joining the Democratic party, the party would have to abandon MAGA and AIPAC as a part of their platform. They would have to kick people out of the party for voting with Trump or taking money from AIPAC. Then I might join them.
We kick those people out, in the primaries. Congressional primaries get less than 20% attendance, most of whom are retirees. That’s why nothing changes.
100% of Dems voted in favor of Trump’s first 2 picks for his cabinet, despite spending hours upon hours grilling them and talking about how unfit for the jobs they are.
It was only after they started getting outraged calls in the thousands per day compared to the usual 30 that they started voting against Trump’s cabinet.
Look at Schumer and Pelosi. Or the party appointing a man practically on his deathbed over fresh blood to one of the most important positions in the party. A man who had to resign 4 months later, IIRC.
The Dems only offer up any real resistance when they’re forced to by us. Otherwise, they vote no, voice a few complaints, and then go about their day like it’s any other.
It’s our job to replace them in primaries if they don’t represent us. It’s also our job to inform them of our stance on issues, just as it’s their job to vote in line with those requests.
You just said they do their job, like it’s a bad thing. There are Republicans getting lambasted in town halls that go right back to DC and do whatever Trump wants. How is that the same to you?
They were voted in to oppose Trump, among many other things. They voted 100% in favor of Trump’s candidates. How is that “doing their job”?
Assuming that the party will still exist in 2 years, how can we replace them when they refuse to entertain any candidates that don’t follow the old guard party line of minimum effort to keep their seat? They outright said that they didn’t have to primary Bernie in 2016 and that they wouldn’t, despite him polling better than both Hillary and Trump.
They don’t respond to the many issues that their voters have, such as trans rights (which they said should be sacrificed to win the election this past time) or the housing crisis, low wages, and a myriad of others that Millennials have been fielding for almost 2 decades now.
This isn’t people suddenly being angry at the Democrats. It’s 40 years of frustration finally boiling over as many in the party leadership put up the barest of resistances against a fascist regime.
I’m aware of the frustration. As someone who has been active in politics and to the left of the Democrats since the 90s, I blame the voters. Democrats get 20% attendance in midterm elections, and even less in primaries, yet people always complain that nothing changes. You know who never misses an election? The elderly. I’m always the youngest volunteer there.
The state of our nation is a direct result of complacency and apathy, and the same people who don’t vote are the loudest critics. It’s pathetic.
You know why the Dems only get 20% attendance? Because election days are days that people have to work, and older people are much more likely to be in a more secure financial position and job, increasing the likelihood that they can take the time to vote. And that’s before you even get into voter suppression tactics that are all designed to make it harder for leftists to vote, and then on top of that you can add the piss poor political education we get here (in terms of everything from candidates and what they stand for to when voting days are and where you go to vote).
The system is built to make exercising your right to vote as hard as possible, and the MAGA cultists have pushed it as much as they can in their favor. Another perfect example is the fact that I need an account to view that NYTimes article, but I can view as many Fox News articles as I could ever want for free (not that I would want to).
The people who only turn out once every four years are one thing, and the systemic issues that hurt voter turnout are another, but the fact remains that the Dems criticized Trump’s cabinet picks up and down, but still voted 100% in favor of the first two and it wasn’t until they got thousands upon thousands of angry phone calls that that started changing. It wasn’t until like the 6th cabinet pick that the Dems were voting 100% against.
When a black man got into office, the Republicans stonewalled and shut down the government over and over for a decade. When a fascist got into office, the Dems clutched their pearls over the handful of their own willing to filibuster and call a spade a spade because of “decorum.”
And this is why they’re making it even harder to get access to mail-in ballots. In places where Dems have made it easy to get and use them, they get tons of use. In Republican-controlled areas, they make it hard to get them because they’re used largely by left-leaning voters.
Democrats should have demanded the removal of most of the republican party from office via the 14th amendment. Refuse to cooperate with this illegitimate government.
You talk about blaming people but that’s a waste of our time. We actually want to make things better in the future, and to do that you need to look at how we got to where we are, and it’s clear that we got here by corporate Democrats caving to Republican and corporate interests. That’s been going on for the past 30 years. Of course the Republicans are more to blame than the democrats, but if you can’t recognize that the old Washington Democrats are largely worthless sandbags, then there’s no way you’re going to make things better in the future. They simply lack the values that we have, they don’t actually want to make life better for the average American, and that’s never going to change.
If you want to ask what more the Democrats can do, I think there are a ton of good examples. They can obstruct the process in so many ways, they can have independent press conferences, they can generate a ton of PR by creating videos for Facebook and YouTube and TikTok. They can go visit prisoners held in Central America. Just go look at what the active newer generation of Democrats are doing, go look at what Bernie Sanders does, and ask yourself why we don’t have hundreds of people doing that every day. Quite simply, we don’t see that in large numbers because most of those people have s***** values. Most of them are out to protect their own power and their own seat and that’s it.
The Democrats had the power that Republicans have now only for two years in the last 30. The 111th Congress was the most productive Congress since the 89th. They’re not all good. Far from it. That’s what primaries are for. If people actually showed up and voted, we wouldn’t be here at all.
In 2021, President Joe Biden issued 42 executive orders in the first 100 days of his presidency, more than any other president since Harry Truman. However, in 2025, Donald Trump became the president to issue the most executive orders in his first 100 days with 143, surpassing Franklin Roosevelt’s 99.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we had another FDR? A real firebrand, you know. Someone who actually wants to do something and isn’t just filling a seat.
McConnell uses the filibuster, which the Senate could use to stop bills if any of these were bills passed in Congress. Unfortunately the only power they have against Trump’s executive orders is forcing a 15-day vote, which they’ve repeatedly done, while helping the ACLU bring these cases to the courts.
So what about 2021 - 2022, when the Dems had the Senate, the House and the Presidency? Where was the push to codify Roe v Wade? Why didn’t they put Trump in prison, pending trial? There were dozens of things they could have done when they had power. The don’t want to do any of the things they SAY they want to do. They want to ask for campaign donations to fight the MAGAs but they don’t actually want to fight. They’re scammers.
Voting isn’t enough, a lot of us are going to have to start volunteering for Bernie Sanders and the DNC. Our Youth and the nonpartisans are lost and without direction moreso than previous generations.
Only 22% of the nation voted for Trump. Many of them already regret their votes. Trump won on the apathy of the majority. Defeatism is simply fuel for that fire.
It’s certainly off to an authoritarian start with chaotic economic impacts. My politics are extremely anti-authoritarian so I’m not at all happy. I don’t care as much about the stock market, I have zero investments. I do care about wages and the job market. But it’s pretty early to really judge his term. I’d guess he’ll lose his Senate majority in the midterms, maybe the House too. But what really matters is what people think 3.5 years in when they’re looking at the next election. I’m actually in Ohio so I’ve had my eye on Vance for longer than most, and I don’t like him at all. Will it be a dumpster fire then? Likely. That’s where the whole world seems to be going anyway. But I can’t predict the future.
The nazi party was started in 1919. And they lasted until 1945. Which is a total of… 26 years!
And that was with the special situation they had where Germany got blamed for all after ww1 essentially giving them way more power quicker.
But then when they failed on a global scale, the idealogy didn’t die, as we can tell from the actual nazis still parading around today. And while they were scheming in the background they took note on what not to do again. Everything else has advanced and gotten smarter, why would you think the evil side hasn’t done the same thing?
I wish this was for the lols but I’m legitimately hopeless. I keep looking for an argument that this hopelessness isn’t accurate but I just get the same platitudes.
I would argue total hopelessness is inaccurate because things can change in ways we don’t anticipate. The US will collapse as all empires have, and the world will become a better place, but it will be a rough transition and things will get extra fucked as climate change worsens. Many more people are working to make things better for each other than there are people working to fuck us over, they are just better organized right now.
But anyway the level of hope you feel is more likely to be dictated by whatever material reality you are experiencing. If you are actually looking for a logical argument against hopelessness in an effort to reduce it there are better ways.
Many more people are working to make things better for each other than there are people working to fuck us over, they are just better organized right now.
This is what it has been my entire life. Since 2001 the world has been on a cyclical descent into ruin, missing every chance it had to do something, failing at ever call to action.
My personal reality is pretty awesome, though. I just want to keep them safe from the rest of the species as it descends into barbarism.
Are people not paying attention, or just love to blame Democrats? They’re not asking for compromises. They’re making clear demands and getting voted down. Most recently, the House Judiciary Committee voted on the deportations. Democrats insisted that citizens be exempt from deportation. Republicans voted them down. This is what happens when you have full Republican control of our government. Keep bitching about the minority party fighting for you, and this is here to stay.
You want fresh blood in the seats? Me too. Vote in the congressional midterm primaries next year. We all have a say in who sits in those seats, but only the elderly retirees show up for the vote.
And they’ve been sitting on their hands for years even when they did have power. They routinely allow this shit to happen and it’s a little late to say them asking if maybe US citizens could be exempt shows how great they really are. Like, they should be demanding that any deportation needs far better scrutiny, and that would right there take care of the citizen part while also protecting so many others. It’s basically the meme we’re commenting on!
They aren’t protecting the US from shit, and it fucking shows. Your country is bad and you should feel bad, not be making excuses and complaining about Democrats not getting respect for unsuccessfully doing the bare minimum and then saying “guess that’s that.”
The only time in the last 30 years that Democrats had the same control that Republicans have now, was the 111th Congress. It was considered the most productive Congress since the 89th Congress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress
Joe Biden took office directly after J6, allowed Garland to pull pud for four years, then got the biggest fucking stick an American president has ever gotten from the SC, and handed it to Trump.
I feel the Dems can take some blame.
Oh they’re far from ideal. They’re also far from the Republicans. Actively voting in congressional primaries is how we can make them into the opposition party we want.
To vote in a primary election, I would have to join one of the parties holding primaries. I would never join a party that supports fascism and genocide, which means no Democratic party and no Republican party. Joining one of those two is no different than signing up for the Nazi party or the KKK. I would never want to be associated with either party. If I ever join a party it will be the Green party.
You could use it to vote for Democrats not funded by AIPAC in the primaries.
I think you misunderstand. The majority of politicians in both parties fully support MAGA and Israel, though the Democrats perform a lot of theater about not liking MAGA while they vote in favor of MAGA every chance they get. The point is, before I would even consider joining the Democratic party, the party would have to abandon MAGA and AIPAC as a part of their platform. They would have to kick people out of the party for voting with Trump or taking money from AIPAC. Then I might join them.
We kick those people out, in the primaries. Congressional primaries get less than 20% attendance, most of whom are retirees. That’s why nothing changes.
100% of Dems voted in favor of Trump’s first 2 picks for his cabinet, despite spending hours upon hours grilling them and talking about how unfit for the jobs they are.
It was only after they started getting outraged calls in the thousands per day compared to the usual 30 that they started voting against Trump’s cabinet.
Look at Schumer and Pelosi. Or the party appointing a man practically on his deathbed over fresh blood to one of the most important positions in the party. A man who had to resign 4 months later, IIRC.
The Dems only offer up any real resistance when they’re forced to by us. Otherwise, they vote no, voice a few complaints, and then go about their day like it’s any other.
It’s our job to replace them in primaries if they don’t represent us. It’s also our job to inform them of our stance on issues, just as it’s their job to vote in line with those requests.
You just said they do their job, like it’s a bad thing. There are Republicans getting lambasted in town halls that go right back to DC and do whatever Trump wants. How is that the same to you?
They were voted in to oppose Trump, among many other things. They voted 100% in favor of Trump’s candidates. How is that “doing their job”?
Assuming that the party will still exist in 2 years, how can we replace them when they refuse to entertain any candidates that don’t follow the old guard party line of minimum effort to keep their seat? They outright said that they didn’t have to primary Bernie in 2016 and that they wouldn’t, despite him polling better than both Hillary and Trump.
They don’t respond to the many issues that their voters have, such as trans rights (which they said should be sacrificed to win the election this past time) or the housing crisis, low wages, and a myriad of others that Millennials have been fielding for almost 2 decades now.
This isn’t people suddenly being angry at the Democrats. It’s 40 years of frustration finally boiling over as many in the party leadership put up the barest of resistances against a fascist regime.
That’s false. They voted against most of the candidates. Republicans had majority with Vance as the tiebreaker.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/01/29/us/politics/trump-cabinet-confirmations-tracker.html
I’m aware of the frustration. As someone who has been active in politics and to the left of the Democrats since the 90s, I blame the voters. Democrats get 20% attendance in midterm elections, and even less in primaries, yet people always complain that nothing changes. You know who never misses an election? The elderly. I’m always the youngest volunteer there.
The state of our nation is a direct result of complacency and apathy, and the same people who don’t vote are the loudest critics. It’s pathetic.
You know why the Dems only get 20% attendance? Because election days are days that people have to work, and older people are much more likely to be in a more secure financial position and job, increasing the likelihood that they can take the time to vote. And that’s before you even get into voter suppression tactics that are all designed to make it harder for leftists to vote, and then on top of that you can add the piss poor political education we get here (in terms of everything from candidates and what they stand for to when voting days are and where you go to vote).
The system is built to make exercising your right to vote as hard as possible, and the MAGA cultists have pushed it as much as they can in their favor. Another perfect example is the fact that I need an account to view that NYTimes article, but I can view as many Fox News articles as I could ever want for free (not that I would want to).
The people who only turn out once every four years are one thing, and the systemic issues that hurt voter turnout are another, but the fact remains that the Dems criticized Trump’s cabinet picks up and down, but still voted 100% in favor of the first two and it wasn’t until they got thousands upon thousands of angry phone calls that that started changing. It wasn’t until like the 6th cabinet pick that the Dems were voting 100% against.
When a black man got into office, the Republicans stonewalled and shut down the government over and over for a decade. When a fascist got into office, the Dems clutched their pearls over the handful of their own willing to filibuster and call a spade a spade because of “decorum.”
Sign up for mail-in ballots if you don’t have control over your schedule.
And this is why they’re making it even harder to get access to mail-in ballots. In places where Dems have made it easy to get and use them, they get tons of use. In Republican-controlled areas, they make it hard to get them because they’re used largely by left-leaning voters.
Democrats should have demanded the removal of most of the republican party from office via the 14th amendment. Refuse to cooperate with this illegitimate government.
You talk about blaming people but that’s a waste of our time. We actually want to make things better in the future, and to do that you need to look at how we got to where we are, and it’s clear that we got here by corporate Democrats caving to Republican and corporate interests. That’s been going on for the past 30 years. Of course the Republicans are more to blame than the democrats, but if you can’t recognize that the old Washington Democrats are largely worthless sandbags, then there’s no way you’re going to make things better in the future. They simply lack the values that we have, they don’t actually want to make life better for the average American, and that’s never going to change.
If you want to ask what more the Democrats can do, I think there are a ton of good examples. They can obstruct the process in so many ways, they can have independent press conferences, they can generate a ton of PR by creating videos for Facebook and YouTube and TikTok. They can go visit prisoners held in Central America. Just go look at what the active newer generation of Democrats are doing, go look at what Bernie Sanders does, and ask yourself why we don’t have hundreds of people doing that every day. Quite simply, we don’t see that in large numbers because most of those people have s***** values. Most of them are out to protect their own power and their own seat and that’s it.
The Democrats had the power that Republicans have now only for two years in the last 30. The 111th Congress was the most productive Congress since the 89th. They’re not all good. Far from it. That’s what primaries are for. If people actually showed up and voted, we wouldn’t be here at all.
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Wouldn’t it be nice if we had another FDR? A real firebrand, you know. Someone who actually wants to do something and isn’t just filling a seat.
Executive orders are temporary measures. Biden spent his term on damage control, recovering from a pandemic and the damage Trump caused.
If republicans can do it as the minority. There’s no reason democrats can’t. McConnell was great at it. Just copy his playbook.
McConnell uses the filibuster, which the Senate could use to stop bills if any of these were bills passed in Congress. Unfortunately the only power they have against Trump’s executive orders is forcing a 15-day vote, which they’ve repeatedly done, while helping the ACLU bring these cases to the courts.
They just love to blame the democrats
So what about 2021 - 2022, when the Dems had the Senate, the House and the Presidency? Where was the push to codify Roe v Wade? Why didn’t they put Trump in prison, pending trial? There were dozens of things they could have done when they had power. The don’t want to do any of the things they SAY they want to do. They want to ask for campaign donations to fight the MAGAs but they don’t actually want to fight. They’re scammers.
Voting isn’t enough, a lot of us are going to have to start volunteering for Bernie Sanders and the DNC. Our Youth and the nonpartisans are lost and without direction moreso than previous generations.
There will never be enough fresh blood.
Even if the democrats were all progressives and had 100% of the entire government things are too fucked to be fixed before the collapse.
Also, I vote in every primary and they always lose. Turns out we’re just a conservative country.
Only 22% of the nation voted for Trump. Many of them already regret their votes. Trump won on the apathy of the majority. Defeatism is simply fuel for that fire.
They won because the Biden admin was a dumpster fire.
How do you describe this administration?
It’s certainly off to an authoritarian start with chaotic economic impacts. My politics are extremely anti-authoritarian so I’m not at all happy. I don’t care as much about the stock market, I have zero investments. I do care about wages and the job market. But it’s pretty early to really judge his term. I’d guess he’ll lose his Senate majority in the midterms, maybe the House too. But what really matters is what people think 3.5 years in when they’re looking at the next election. I’m actually in Ohio so I’ve had my eye on Vance for longer than most, and I don’t like him at all. Will it be a dumpster fire then? Likely. That’s where the whole world seems to be going anyway. But I can’t predict the future.
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Well then he’s gonna win again because most people are apathetic and this country is doomed.
Serves me right for trying to do the right thing.
Spreading apathy through pessimistic defeatism is the right thing? In that case, I’d rather be wrong.
We got here through division and disengagement. Only unity and action will get us out.
I’ve been engaged for 25 years and we still got here anyway.
Do you think fighting evil is an overnight thing?
25 years is hardly “overnight”
The Nazis rose to power and were defeated in less time.
Someone doesn’t know their history.
The nazi party was started in 1919. And they lasted until 1945. Which is a total of… 26 years!
And that was with the special situation they had where Germany got blamed for all after ww1 essentially giving them way more power quicker.
But then when they failed on a global scale, the idealogy didn’t die, as we can tell from the actual nazis still parading around today. And while they were scheming in the background they took note on what not to do again. Everything else has advanced and gotten smarter, why would you think the evil side hasn’t done the same thing?
You think a constant stream of pessimism is engaging others? C’mon. You know what you’re doing.
I have yet to see evidence to the contrary.
The alternative is me drinking or shouting at traffic at it whizzes by.
Convince me there is literally any hope at all and I might stop.
Or just block me. I don’t care anymore.
Not a chance. I’ll always be right here, to combat your cynicism with actionable criticism for improvement.
Your name is “Doomergod”. You’re just spewing doom for lols.
What a jerk.
I wish this was for the lols but I’m legitimately hopeless. I keep looking for an argument that this hopelessness isn’t accurate but I just get the same platitudes.
I would argue total hopelessness is inaccurate because things can change in ways we don’t anticipate. The US will collapse as all empires have, and the world will become a better place, but it will be a rough transition and things will get extra fucked as climate change worsens. Many more people are working to make things better for each other than there are people working to fuck us over, they are just better organized right now.
But anyway the level of hope you feel is more likely to be dictated by whatever material reality you are experiencing. If you are actually looking for a logical argument against hopelessness in an effort to reduce it there are better ways.
This is what it has been my entire life. Since 2001 the world has been on a cyclical descent into ruin, missing every chance it had to do something, failing at ever call to action.
My personal reality is pretty awesome, though. I just want to keep them safe from the rest of the species as it descends into barbarism.