Could they do more? Of course, they could always do more. But ffs someones doing SOMETHING let’s just appreciate that so other can feel empowered to do something (maybe even more)
Chuck Schumer: I think I can sum up the party strategy for you in one word. Nothing. Leftists: Nothing? Chuck Schumer: Nothing. Leftists: What does that mean? Chuck Schumer: The strategy is about… nothing! Liberals: Well, it’s not about nothing. Chuck Schumer: No, it’s about nothing. Liberals: Well, maybe in philosophy, but even nothing is something.
I could be wrong but the point is it’s not part of interrupting a vote or even coming close to disrupting anything. It’s basically like hanging out in the senate building and talking for a while but making sure to do it in a way to not bother anyone or do anything of consequence but to show how much you “care” (enough to not make a scene to disrupt anything real).
Also if this is the “something” that the most powerful members of the liberal party can do. lol. Lmao even
If he was doing a legitimate filibuster he could be voted down (and would be voted down by the Dems) doing it this way no one can stop him, he’s disrupting the whole Senate unilaterally
Well I think you misunderstand the point of the post. The point is that Corey knows where and when the congressional baseball games take place but refuses to take a swing ⚾️
The problem is if he did this during legislation to do an official filabuster 60 votes could vote him down and the progressive wing of the fascist party would join with the GOP to vote him down
By doing so no he’s giving a “Speech” and there for can’t be voted down and is wasting time
You all edit your posts a lot here lol, want to clarify don’t disagree with the baby killer part, and it may bite me in the ass that this was in the end a distraction from the genocide. However I don’t believe it is, wanted to clarify the point lol
It can be both theater and something. To use an extreme point, the Guillotines were theatrical.
He’s thrown away one day of Senate procedure, and is not able to be stop until he sits or shuts up.
What would you have preferred the Dems have done to start? Expecting the Dems to be leftist is like expecting ducks to bark. We need to pat them on the head when they’ve done the bare minimum otherwise we won’t even get that.
I’m sorry the world works that’s way, I also wish it didn’t but that’s how it is.
Guillotines were invented as the most humane way to execute someone with the technology available at the time. Also during that time public executions aren’t uncommon, the French revolution didn’t introduce the theatrics they just used what was at the time the modern method of execution. The point of the guillotine wasn’t the theatrics it was the killing of your class enemies. Executions in general were held in public already cause it was really fucking easy to get away with crime back then so making public examples was the best they could do in their minds and the same idea of making an example extended to the French revolution. It was the poor being guillotined for petty crimes before and they were using the instruments of the oppressor that was already in place.
Nothing about what you’re saying is wrong, however if you don’t think there was also a layer of theatrics in the public executions of the aristocrats where they chopped their damn heads off… I have no clue what to say to you to convince you to otherwise lmfao
Theatrics btw are not bad. If you’re being purely pragmatic then people will never give a fuck about you, the problem is “Pure Theatrics” you also need substance.
Which is why I used the guillotine as an example, it had substance and it has theatrics.
Do you thinking when Mussolini’s body was publicly desecrated there wasn’t any theatrics or point to it? Do you think Sherman’s scorching the land to bring terror in the hearts of slave owners had no theatrics?
What would you have preferred the Dems have done to start
It would have been very cool if, going back to 2016, they hadn’t intentionally boosted Trump as part of a sociopathic plan to raise the likelihood of Hillary winning the general election (you can see how well that turned out), I think I would have definitely preferred that
Right now I would prefer if they were all thrown into a pit so that leaders who aren’t at BEST feckless and incompetent and AT WORST literally fascist collaborators could step in and actually offer real opposition
instead we’re getting dipshits jerking themselves raw over how RADICAL CIVILITY will defeat Trump (and people like you over it apparently, “aT lEaSt tHeY aRE dOiNg SoMeThInG!” give me a fucking break)
Look bro, if there’s a violent revolution to overthrow capitalism I’ll be there in the trenches fighting with you, but unless you’re willing to put your money where your mouth is and fire the first shot you’re just all talk.
You are a frog in a pot being boiled alive, except the frog has the sense to escape. You’re not going to vote the fascists out, your leaders are useless or collaborators, the consequences of that should be really fucking clear. But yeah, lol, I’m the idiot 🙄
I remember when I first became a radlib and was convinced I was more radically leftist than every communist in history. This should pass in time if they are around long enough
Invoking Lenin to justify any level of support to Cory fucking Booker is hilarious my dude lmao
People are calling you a liberal because of how aggressively you’ve reacted to the idea that this whole thing is performative brand polishing and nothing more. Sometimes we all get a little too excited for any hope out there but like this is straight up not it. The Dems have been running this playbook for decades with great results! For their donation numbers and effectively tricking just enough people into thinking there is any shred of hope within the moderate wing of the fascist party. Apparently that sometimes even works on people who are aware that the party itself is fascist which is a crazy testament to just how well it works
Yes, an act can be both theater and make a material difference. This is not though, it is only theater and devoid of anything meaningful or material. He wouldn’t be doing it otherwise because he represents the same ruling class the republicans do, you goddamned fool.
Also get the fuck out of here with your “I’m more leftist than you!” bullshit while talking about how we have to give our explicit ruling class enemies a “pat on the head” for pretending they’re presenting any kind of opposition. Many of us here have been organizing and providing mutual aid for decades, and even if you’re not lying about the actual material work you’ve done (which I doubt), it doesn’t change the fact that your advocating for liberal, bourgeois politicians doing performative kayfabe undeniably makes you also a liberal with zero knowledge of theory or any understanding of what’s actually happening here.
Dude what’s with everyone here. I’m not going to disagree with you, but he’s doing something now. He can’t change the past he’s also not the monolith, hes talked about it in his speech. He heard people complain about what you’re saying and he’s trying to start to do something.
He even acknowledged it’s not enough and his colleagues need to do more but he thought he should start somewhere because someone needs to start to disrupt shit somewhere.
I agree with your frustration and frankly on your post probably your politics as well, however if we’re just gonna be doomed about everything all the time than people will think “nothing pleases these people”
Why are we not saying “yes this. more of this. Disrupt and stop all procedures every day don’t let them do anything”
Because he won’t do anything, friend. Dems like Booker have had years to do anything of subtance and have been devoted to missing every chance to flex their power when they are in control. This isn’t purity politics, “letting perfect be the enemy of good”, this is recognizing it’s a futile and comical gesture to appear like he’s doing something of worth.
Leftists have been not only calling on liberal politicians to do something, anything of import for decades, but also trying to spread awareness that it is simply not in the interest of any Democratic Party member to actually shake up the American politcal landscape. They depend upon this late capital hellscape’s status quo, on its slow descent into bald faced fascism and self cannibalization (not to mention the ever accelerating ravaging of the Global South), token gestures mean nothing because no amount of cheering or jeering from the sidelines will get them to do anything useful.
I really need you to think about what you’re saying here: What would the senate be doing if he wasn’t speaking, and will that now not happen as a result of his speaking? Delaying things by a day or three doesn’t mean anything if they still happen.
He’s putting a stop to everything. If he did this during the debate if a vote he’d be doing an actual filibuster and can be voted down by 60 votes, and there are Dems probably would vote him down. By doing so when not doing “anything” he stops everything.
It’s a double edge sword here because if he did it during a debate for legislation people could say “he’s blocking legislation” but by doing so before the Senate does anything he’s stopping everything (including votes) but now there is nothing to point to.
Even if it were for anything, the idea of shifting and pissing in a bucket while you ramble about nothing being a legit tacric means that whatever government is working that way should be destroyed and replaced. That’s silly as hell.
Why are you being so overtly defensive of a group of politicians who will band together to help out mask off fascists while also throwing out this meager theater? 9 dems crossed the isle to make the budget happen.
And as was pointed out elsewhere in this thread,
If the Dems were serious on gridlocking the Senate they should not be providing unanimous consent on things like adjourning and all the other procedural points of order
First of all, defensive of the party vs defensive of this one action are not the same thing.
The fact that the Dems are generally fascist is why this action makes more sense than a legitimate filibuster which would be voted down by Democrats siding with the Republicans.
I’m being defensive of this specific political action because, at this moment in time, anti fascist actions by liberals is all we’re going to get.
If you think that suddenly the Democrats in power will become legitimate leftists overnight you’re delusional, this singular action occurring I will defend because he’s successfully stalling the procedure in the Senate. I also hope other liberals will throw off their fascist tendencies and start to do the same.
But if you want to just sit there and wish really hard that they all become awakened to the cause tomorrow go ahead and live in your fantasy land.
I don’t think I’m the one living off fantasy, considering I’m not the one saying ‘why are we hating on this action that is accomplishing literally nothing’ and ‘I also hope other liberals will throw off their fascist tendencies and start to do the same’.
Dems have done this for decades, they do juuuuuuuuuust enough theatrical garbage like this to make you think they’re not all complicit, and then they turn around and openly aid the worst things imaginable. Not all of them, but always just enough of them for it to happen. And they’re always the ones co-opting leftist rhetoric while hamstringing them as much as possible, you’ll pardon me for mocking this newest rendition of liberal theater.
Again I do not disagree with your point about liberals being dog shit, the Dems being dog shit, and so on.
However this one action isn’t nothing imo, The action disrupted the Senate. I hope they continue to disrupt the Senate. Like you said they’re liberals, they’re progressive capitalists at the end of the day. We can’t expect them to work to overthrow the capitalist structure, that our job. But if my options are to encourage the childish anti fascist liberal behavior that’s doing some slight action, or never compromise and let the liberals grift further to the right because they realize that the real left will never be happy. I’m going to encourage them to be childishly antifascist.
Id rather have begrudgingly support liberal antifascist than nothing at all personally.
For real: What would you rather they do to start to disrupt the Republicans? I mean this genuinely as you seem intelligent, because frankly outside of blocking procedure idk what you expect.
What’s the point of this post?
Could they do more? Of course, they could always do more. But ffs someones doing SOMETHING let’s just appreciate that so other can feel empowered to do something (maybe even more)
If the “SOMETHING” they’re doing may as well be nothing, then are they really doing anything at all?
Chuck Schumer: I think I can sum up the party strategy for you in one word. Nothing.
Leftists: Nothing?
Chuck Schumer: Nothing.
Leftists: What does that mean?
Chuck Schumer: The strategy is about… nothing!
Liberals: Well, it’s not about nothing.
Chuck Schumer: No, it’s about nothing.
Liberals: Well, maybe in philosophy, but even nothing is something.
Democrats’ Political Project: Invest Us with Real Power and We Will Do A Few Symbolic Things
real Wizard of Oz ass shit.
I could be wrong but the point is it’s not part of interrupting a vote or even coming close to disrupting anything. It’s basically like hanging out in the senate building and talking for a while but making sure to do it in a way to not bother anyone or do anything of consequence but to show how much you “care” (enough to not make a scene to disrupt anything real).
Also if this is the “something” that the most powerful members of the liberal party can do. lol. Lmao even
If he was doing a legitimate filibuster he could be voted down (and would be voted down by the Dems) doing it this way no one can stop him, he’s disrupting the whole Senate unilaterally
Well I think you misunderstand the point of the post. The point is that Corey knows where and when the congressional baseball games take place but refuses to take a swing ⚾️
The problem is if he did this during legislation to do an official filabuster 60 votes could vote him down and the progressive wing of the fascist party would join with the GOP to vote him down
By doing so no he’s giving a “Speech” and there for can’t be voted down and is wasting time
This isn’t something though, this is nauseating #Resistance theater from actual babykillers
You all edit your posts a lot here lol, want to clarify don’t disagree with the baby killer part, and it may bite me in the ass that this was in the end a distraction from the genocide. However I don’t believe it is, wanted to clarify the point lol
It can be both theater and something. To use an extreme point, the Guillotines were theatrical.
He’s thrown away one day of Senate procedure, and is not able to be stop until he sits or shuts up.
What would you have preferred the Dems have done to start? Expecting the Dems to be leftist is like expecting ducks to bark. We need to pat them on the head when they’ve done the bare minimum otherwise we won’t even get that.
I’m sorry the world works that’s way, I also wish it didn’t but that’s how it is.
Guillotines were invented as the most humane way to execute someone with the technology available at the time. Also during that time public executions aren’t uncommon, the French revolution didn’t introduce the theatrics they just used what was at the time the modern method of execution. The point of the guillotine wasn’t the theatrics it was the killing of your class enemies. Executions in general were held in public already cause it was really fucking easy to get away with crime back then so making public examples was the best they could do in their minds and the same idea of making an example extended to the French revolution. It was the poor being guillotined for petty crimes before and they were using the instruments of the oppressor that was already in place.
Nothing about what you’re saying is wrong, however if you don’t think there was also a layer of theatrics in the public executions of the aristocrats where they chopped their damn heads off… I have no clue what to say to you to convince you to otherwise lmfao
Theatrics btw are not bad. If you’re being purely pragmatic then people will never give a fuck about you, the problem is “Pure Theatrics” you also need substance.
Which is why I used the guillotine as an example, it had substance and it has theatrics.
Do you thinking when Mussolini’s body was publicly desecrated there wasn’t any theatrics or point to it? Do you think Sherman’s scorching the land to bring terror in the hearts of slave owners had no theatrics?
Do you think a dude pissing in a bucket so he can keep rambling nonsense is even remotely similar?
You’re jumping all over the place bro.
Yes I do, it’s a smaller scale. He’s got people’s attention, the people are saying “do this more often” maybe more days will be disrupted.
Better than no days disrupted
I think you just have a piss fetish
It would have been very cool if, going back to 2016, they hadn’t intentionally boosted Trump as part of a sociopathic plan to raise the likelihood of Hillary winning the general election (you can see how well that turned out), I think I would have definitely preferred that
Right now I would prefer if they were all thrown into a pit so that leaders who aren’t at BEST feckless and incompetent and AT WORST literally fascist collaborators could step in and actually offer real opposition
instead we’re getting dipshits jerking themselves raw over how RADICAL CIVILITY will defeat Trump (and people like you
over it apparently, “aT lEaSt tHeY aRE dOiNg SoMeThInG!” give me a fucking break)
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eat me liberal
You are a frog in a pot being boiled alive, except the frog has the sense to escape. You’re not going to vote the fascists out, your leaders are useless or collaborators, the consequences of that should be really fucking clear. But yeah, lol, I’m the idiot 🙄
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the real marxists are the ones who clap like trained seals over liberals doing pointless bullshit #resist
I remember when I first became a radlib and was convinced I was more radically leftist than every communist in history. This should pass in time if they are around long enough
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Invoking Lenin to justify any level of support to Cory fucking Booker is hilarious my dude lmao
People are calling you a liberal because of how aggressively you’ve reacted to the idea that this whole thing is performative brand polishing and nothing more. Sometimes we all get a little too excited for any hope out there but like this is straight up not it. The Dems have been running this playbook for decades with great results! For their donation numbers and effectively tricking just enough people into thinking there is any shred of hope within the moderate wing of the fascist party. Apparently that sometimes even works on people who are aware that the party itself is fascist which is a crazy testament to just how well it works
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Yes, an act can be both theater and make a material difference. This is not though, it is only theater and devoid of anything meaningful or material. He wouldn’t be doing it otherwise because he represents the same ruling class the republicans do, you goddamned fool.
Also get the fuck out of here with your “I’m more leftist than you!” bullshit while talking about how we have to give our explicit ruling class enemies a “pat on the head” for pretending they’re presenting any kind of opposition. Many of us here have been organizing and providing mutual aid for decades, and even if you’re not lying about the actual material work you’ve done (which I doubt), it doesn’t change the fact that your advocating for liberal, bourgeois politicians doing performative kayfabe undeniably makes you also a liberal with zero knowledge of theory or any understanding of what’s actually happening here.
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Well, since you mentioned guillotines…
The point is they’re doing literally nothing and fucking clowns like you clap like trained monkeys
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call me an idiot and post more about literally useless shit “being something” lol k dawg
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I have to say that “ultra shaming everyone for not rhetorically supporting Cory Booker” is a genuinely hilarious bit well done lmao
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What is the nuance and why I’d this significant and if it’s significant how is it good?
Explain why it’s practical
Doing SOMETHING (nothing) after agreeing to all other Republican measures lmao
Dude what’s with everyone here. I’m not going to disagree with you, but he’s doing something now. He can’t change the past he’s also not the monolith, hes talked about it in his speech. He heard people complain about what you’re saying and he’s trying to start to do something.
He even acknowledged it’s not enough and his colleagues need to do more but he thought he should start somewhere because someone needs to start to disrupt shit somewhere.
I agree with your frustration and frankly on your post probably your politics as well, however if we’re just gonna be doomed about everything all the time than people will think “nothing pleases these people”
Why are we not saying “yes this. more of this. Disrupt and stop all procedures every day don’t let them do anything”
Because he won’t do anything, friend. Dems like Booker have had years to do anything of subtance and have been devoted to missing every chance to flex their power when they are in control. This isn’t purity politics, “letting perfect be the enemy of good”, this is recognizing it’s a futile and comical gesture to appear like he’s doing something of worth.
Leftists have been not only calling on liberal politicians to do something, anything of import for decades, but also trying to spread awareness that it is simply not in the interest of any Democratic Party member to actually shake up the American politcal landscape. They depend upon this late capital hellscape’s status quo, on its slow descent into bald faced fascism and self cannibalization (not to mention the ever accelerating ravaging of the Global South), token gestures mean nothing because no amount of cheering or jeering from the sidelines will get them to do anything useful.
I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying but I fail to see how what he’s doing is viewed as not doing anything.
He already threw one days session away. That’s small but it’s not nothing it is mostly nothing though won’t disagree there lol.
That said it’s gotta start somewhere, idk what the point in shitting on someone for doing something (even if it’s small) is going to accomplish.
That said I appreciate your comment it’s fair points.
He’s demonstrating that doing nothing, a purely performative gesture, is enough to get people like you to clap and donate.
He’s moving the Overton window on Trump resistance from barely effectual to absolutely toothless.
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Explain your weird metaphor
It’s not a metaphor, right now the most resistance the Dems have done was Trump’s state of the union where they held up legit ping pong paddles…
Good glad YOU agree, everything else you said is complete coping liberal bullshit
Right I forgot all the things Dems did that have tangibly affected this admin like not voting for Trump’s budget
Oh wait
Legitimate question: With that being past things, where would you like the Dems to start if not by disrupting government procedures?
Legitimate question: what is he actually disrupting?
Procedure, he’s not letting the Senate do anything at all. They have to sit there and do nothing until he stops.
Unlike a filibuster he can’t be voted down, and he can do this as long as he’s able to stand and speak.
I really need you to think about what you’re saying here: What would the senate be doing if he wasn’t speaking, and will that now not happen as a result of his speaking? Delaying things by a day or three doesn’t mean anything if they still happen.
Maybe if we said “good job do more of this” in a day or three or every day they would do something like this?
What is senate trying to do that he’s preventing?
He’s putting a stop to everything. If he did this during the debate if a vote he’d be doing an actual filibuster and can be voted down by 60 votes, and there are Dems probably would vote him down. By doing so when not doing “anything” he stops everything.
It’s a double edge sword here because if he did it during a debate for legislation people could say “he’s blocking legislation” but by doing so before the Senate does anything he’s stopping everything (including votes) but now there is nothing to point to.
Yeah what did he actually accomplish? You know, beyond a vague “disrupting the Senate”.
Even if it were for anything, the idea of shifting and pissing in a bucket while you ramble about nothing being a legit tacric means that whatever government is working that way should be destroyed and replaced. That’s silly as hell.
He stopped the Senate from voting for anything for one day.
What does this accomplish?
He’s stopped the Senate from doing anything for a day. That’s one day down 4 years to go, but at least something happened today.
“if he was actually doing anything there would be enough votes to stop him” is not the argument you think it is my friend…
So, nothing then. As was stated in the post.
Why are you being so overtly defensive of a group of politicians who will band together to help out mask off fascists while also throwing out this meager theater? 9 dems crossed the isle to make the budget happen.
And as was pointed out elsewhere in this thread,
Replying to the strategies outlined cause I didn’t see them. I agree with them, I think Leeja Miller outlined those specific ones.
To do those though they would need the whole of the democrats to get behind those strategies which while not impossible is very hard right now.
What Corey Booker is doing he doesn’t need the Dems approval he can just do it himself.
First of all, defensive of the party vs defensive of this one action are not the same thing.
The fact that the Dems are generally fascist is why this action makes more sense than a legitimate filibuster which would be voted down by Democrats siding with the Republicans.
I’m being defensive of this specific political action because, at this moment in time, anti fascist actions by liberals is all we’re going to get.
If you think that suddenly the Democrats in power will become legitimate leftists overnight you’re delusional, this singular action occurring I will defend because he’s successfully stalling the procedure in the Senate. I also hope other liberals will throw off their fascist tendencies and start to do the same.
But if you want to just sit there and wish really hard that they all become awakened to the cause tomorrow go ahead and live in your fantasy land.
I don’t think I’m the one living off fantasy, considering I’m not the one saying ‘why are we hating on this action that is accomplishing literally nothing’ and ‘I also hope other liberals will throw off their fascist tendencies and start to do the same’.
Dems have done this for decades, they do juuuuuuuuuust enough theatrical garbage like this to make you think they’re not all complicit, and then they turn around and openly aid the worst things imaginable. Not all of them, but always just enough of them for it to happen. And they’re always the ones co-opting leftist rhetoric while hamstringing them as much as possible, you’ll pardon me for mocking this newest rendition of liberal theater.
Again I do not disagree with your point about liberals being dog shit, the Dems being dog shit, and so on.
However this one action isn’t nothing imo, The action disrupted the Senate. I hope they continue to disrupt the Senate. Like you said they’re liberals, they’re progressive capitalists at the end of the day. We can’t expect them to work to overthrow the capitalist structure, that our job. But if my options are to encourage the childish anti fascist liberal behavior that’s doing some slight action, or never compromise and let the liberals grift further to the right because they realize that the real left will never be happy. I’m going to encourage them to be childishly antifascist. Id rather have begrudgingly support liberal antifascist than nothing at all personally.
For real: What would you rather they do to start to disrupt the Republicans? I mean this genuinely as you seem intelligent, because frankly outside of blocking procedure idk what you expect.
“ok, smart guy. what would you want the democrats to do!?”
Man, you can smell the .ee from here. Why don’t you guys just use reddit? I don’t understand.