cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597

Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It’s nice and cozy here, we do have some “bad parts of town” but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol

For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz

You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)

There’s much more around as well!

Obligatory, fuck Spez

  • dx1@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    edit-2
    1 hour ago

    In the past week I caught a 7 day ban for “misinformation” (x3, then for reposting a link to the mod logs, “skirting the rules”, “repeated offenses” etc.) from /c/WorldNews for accusing Democrats of being complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. An actual fact - tens of billions of dollars in arms sent to an ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing by Biden. No problems like that on lemmy.ml. That really says it all for me. Lemmy’s basically just a fediverse reddit, with the same mod structure - if mods abuse their power, and admins don’t keep them in check, it’s time to ditch the instance.

    By the way, Lemmy itself was created by Dessalines, the admin of lemmy.ml. Who I collaborated with briefly on building some of the UI that you’re using right now to read this. Very thorough guy.

  • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    18
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    3 hours ago

    Love everything about reddit but inexplicably wish to leave it?

    Hate the idea of an english speaking internet that doesn’t slavishly adhere to the party line of the US alphabet agencies?

    Do you think the parable of the nazi bar is bunch of hokum?

    Do you have shrieking anger towards people who refused to support genocide while having shrieking anger at (usually the same) people rejecting decades long debunked accusations of genocide made by the perpetrators of aforementioned genocide?

    Join the lemmyverse! We have racism! We have homophobia! We have trans misogyny! We have daily 5 minutes hate!

    And if anyone tells you different, have you considered they’re a paid shill by the notorious gay sex haver Putler??

      • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        edit-2
        1 hour ago

        What’s your point here? Are you automatically assuming that only because I’m against China, NK and Russia (mainly because the latter would gladly bomb my home any given moment and the former two would hand over weapons), I somehow think America is an angel that hasn’t been violating human rights since forever?

  • Iceman@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    3 hours ago

    There are some real weirdos here that have this as the major part of their personality.

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      2 hours ago

      How else are they going to find an audience for their huge list of irrelevant copy-pasted bullet points?

  • ivanafterall ☑️@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    edit-2
    3 hours ago

    I’m curious where a lot of those folks come from/what their backgrounds are. I assume like 50% are Russian bots, but of those who are real people, how’d they end up where they are in life/holding those opinions? I have a hard time wrapping my head around it.

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      60 minutes ago
      Glad you asked, more than happy to talk about it.

      I was born in '91 in a conservative family, and I grew up with the naive vision that international conflicts were a thing of the past and we could put politics aside and work on developing science and technology for the good of all humankind. Then, when I was 10 years old, I watched as every adult in the country lost their fucking minds over a couple buildings falling down. I watched our civil liberties get stripped away while we started stupid pointless wars that accomplished nothing and left far more people dead, with complete bipartisan support. In high school, I leaned Libertarian because Ron Paul was a thing and basically the only antiwar voice in politics, though I grew out of that once I no longer had teachers and parents bossing me around lol.

      I had hope for Obama, though I was still young and not politically engaged. He was going to shut down Guantanamo and hold the Bush administration accountable for their blatant war crimes and disregard for both international law and the constitution - or so I hoped. But he didn’t. He kept the illegal mass surveillance going and, contrary to his promise to protect whistleblowers, hunted Snowden to the ends of the earth for revealing the government’s crimes.

      As for my personal life at this time, I had no idea what I wanted to do, so I studied physics, thinking of it as a sort of “study of everything.” But even that wasn’t broad enough for me, I wanted to expand my cultural horizons as well, so I studied abroad in Japan for a year, which opened my mind to a more global perspective and reaffirmed my ideal of being a global citizen.

      At this point, I was a liberal, skeptical of both parties, and politically disengaged. Watched The Daily Show and would probably fit in just fine with .world. But then 2016 happened.

      I honestly didn’t jump on the Bernie train at first, because I subscribed to the “conventional wisdom” of moving to the center to win over moderate republicans. As the republicans went more and more extreme, the democrats would achieve total political dominance as the “party of reason,” Trump would lose in a landslide. Then he won. I was extremely furious and disappointed, I couldn’t believe it! How could this happen?

      In my personal life, I had entered the workforce. In spite of graduating with a B.S. in physics, my focus had been on studying things that were interesting to me, without regard to practical matters like my career. I’m probably somewhat autistic, I’ve always done very well on tests and grasped concepts quickly, but I got poor grades on account of neglecting homework. It wasn’t until upper division physics classes that I found myself actually having to study. I was also privileged enough to not be concerned about practical matters growing up. After graduating, I’ve worked menial jobs, including warehouse work at Amazon, which gave me plenty of time to think. Since I started having a boss and a landlord, my politics improved. I also had a traumatic experience with my brother who came back from the Middle East, “self medicated” with meth, and almost became a mass shooter, but that’s a story for another day.

      In order to figure things out, I tried to find a place to debate politics online, and wound up in the cesspool of r/CapitalismVSocialism, which was created by An-Caps. Freshly radical, I was of course more attracted to libertarian socialism, rejecting authoritarianism, though the term “tankie” was not popularized at the time. I saw right-libertarians as the more “reasonable” people on the right, an idea which I eventually became disavowed of by actually talking to them. Eventually, I realized that their whole ideology is based on wordplay, and that they, along with the right in general, have absolutely nothing of value to offer whatsoever, and their nonsense simply dragged down the level of debate, preventing anything of actual substance from being discussed.

      Leaving that behind, I looked for a left-wing space, and found many of them to be clownish. I was turned off of r/socialism from the “Catgirl fiasco,” and I was too skeptical of the democrats to fit into purely liberal spaces - both of which lacked the bluntness and diversity of thought I was looking for. As a last resort, I checked r/ChapoTrapHouse, which I had heard all sorts of nasty rumors about - but instead, it was exactly what I was looking for: a non-sectarian leftist space that didn’t have a stick up its ass and wasn’t afraid to tell off both right-wingers and crybullies, which made it reviled because the crybullies would run off and whine and make up rumors (just like .worlders do).

      During this time, I also did a good bit of reading. Progress and Poverty by Henry George helped me get a basic grasp of political economy, while All the Shah’s Men by Stephen Kinzer taught me about Iran’s historical attempts to reclaim their resources through a popular, liberal democratic movement, which was crushed by the CIA (similar stories can be found in many countries around the world).

      When the subreddit was banned I migrated to Hexbear (yes, I’m from there). I was still very skeptical of states like China and the USSR, but my opinion of America had plummetted in 2016, and I saw them as acting as a counterbalance to US hegemony. I took a perspective of being system-agnostic, that non-aligned nations ought to have as much flexibility as possible in regards to their economic situation so that they can experiment and get it right, and then that system can spread out of that. When there’s just a single hegemon, it can exert too much control, but in a multipolar world there are more options. I was reading Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti and watching his lectures, as well as some snippets of theory.

      But probably the thing that really pushed me beyond that was Covid-19. In the US, they lied to us, telling us masks don’t work, and then sent us all back to work with no protections. Up until that point, I at least had trust in US scientific institutions, but that lie completely broke my trust, and it really sank in as real that the government does not give a single shit about protecting the people, and that my interests are completely in conflict with those of the state. Meanwhile, China actually listened to the science, they never told people not to wear masks, they did lockdowns, I even saw in Vietnam where the government delivered groceries right to people’s homes so they’d stay inside, while in the US everyone was scrambling over each other to buy toilet paper. I had to quit my job because the situation was so bad, I lived in the south and we had no protections at all.

      And yet, as usual, nobody was held accountable for the failure, and the government’s mistakes were swept under the rug while the media blamed China and spread rumors that it was some sort of bioweapon. Naturally, anti-Asian hate crimes skyrocketed because of that bullshit. You can actually see very clearly where most people were fairly ambivalent to China before 2019, and then there was a major shift, coinciding with a propaganda campaign. The goal, of course, is to sow fears of China in order to justify more funding to the military, and to distract from the government’s own failures. It’s no coincidence that China suddenly became a military threat the moment the war in Afghanistan started to wind down, always gotta have an enemy to justify why we’re building bombs instead of healthcare. And if some random people get hate crimed, the government doesn’t give a shit.

      Ultimately, I’d love to return to my initial dream of setting aside politics and pursuing science to build a better world for all. But how can I do that when you have cases like Jane Y. Wu, a distinguished neuroscientist who committed suicide after the US government shut down her lab for the sin of being born Chinese? How can I pretend that I’m a global citizen when the government shuts down innocent intercultural programs like the Confucious Institutes? I never signed up for this shit. I’m in this for humanity, not the United States, and the United States government is making it increasingly clear that it’s an enemy to the common cause of humanity.

      So there’s my life story. None of us are “Russian bots,” we’re mostly just downwardly-mobile disillusioned intellectuals.

      • ivanafterall ☑️@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        58 minutes ago

        Thanks, this was a great answer. I really enjoyed reading it. I was dead serious about wondering about how you all got to where you are. It wasn’t just a glib statement. I’ll look into those books, thanks.

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      2 hours ago

      I understand, I know that neoliberals have a very hard time recognizing the humanity of anyone outside of their own little bubble.

    • pH3ra@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 hour ago

      Extremism, whatever route it takes, is a byproduct of social isolation. And extremist groups, whether they are nazis, religious fundamentalists, incels, etc., feed upon the people who are marginalized by a conformist society giving them a fictional explanation on “why society hates them”: the white genocide, infedels, women are like animals.
      I don’t think that “tankies” are as extreme as the other I mentioned but I believe the base mechanism is the same.

    • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 hour ago

      I think it’s either trolls or people who have realised how capitalism exploits them, but instead of becoming actual leftists, they just jumped to worshipping another oppressive system instead. Lemmy seems to be very US-centric, so I think the thought process for some has been:

      • America bad
      • America says [insert communist or ‘communist’ country here] bad
      • Therefore [insert communist or ‘communist’ country here] good

      So basically, not being able to understand nuance.

    • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      1 hour ago

      Just reading and watching the situation unfold. Whereas I can’t understand why someone is ok with the US lifting a ban on arming Nazis, and somehow I’m the asshole for just being aware of that.

      You also get called a tankie on here for just pointing out that most of the Tiananmen Square claims have been debunked. Somehow I’m also an asshole for knowing the western media outlets did not claim violence from the CCP at the time, but changed the story in coordination with US intelligence. How am I in any way in the wrong just for knowing about US intelligence changing the narrative, and not going along with it? I didn’t fabricate these fucking news archives. Take it up with the Washington Post.

      All of the tankie accusations amount to ‘how dare you know about that?!!’ or ‘they’re the good kind of Nazis!’

  • blind3rdeye@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    48
    arrow-down
    18
    ·
    7 hours ago

    From what I can tell, this tankie stuff is bullshit. In the years I’ve been here, I’ve seen close to zero ‘tankie’ content from any of these supposedly tankie instances. There’s like maybe one or two people on those instances who might fit the description if you search for them. Meanwhile, literally every day there are posts spitting on these supposed tankie instances. (And actually, it’s again a very small number of people complaining - but they put their crap into cute memes to get traction).

    I don’t like the idea of shouting slurs at entire instances. In my view, if you hate those instances so much - just block them. Problem solved. No need to spew hate all over lemmy.

    • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      2 hours ago

      Perhaps that’s because your instance is defederated from them? They were all over the place before most other major instances defederated from them. They are still all over the place if you’re on an instance that federates with them. I had to manually block their bullshit when I was on Yiffit. I don’t have to on Pawb or Lemmy.World.

      • Faresh@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        2 hours ago

        lemm.ee federates with all three of the mentioned instances, so they are definitely seeing the posts from those instances.

        • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          41 minutes ago

          I’ve seen a few. They are mostly just anti American (fair enough). They often miss the point that something being anti American doesn’t mean they are not their own empire with its own problematic takes.

    • gerryflap@feddit.nl
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      3 hours ago

      I have a very different experience. When Hexbear was still federated with the large instances it was total mayhem. They would turn every thread political, constantly spam images of dictators like Stalin and Mao, and swarm anyone who disagreed. I’ve seen them deny the wrongdoings of China and the Soviet Union quite often, which is probably also what’s necessary if you spam Mao and Stalin unironically.

      I’m quite left of center myself, at least relative to most people I know in real life. But these people seemed totally insane. It was probably also a numbers game, since Hexbear was relatively large at the time compared to basically every other instance. So maybe this was just an annoying minority. But nevertheless I’d never purposefully go there, and I’d recommend anyone to stay away. It’s way better than for instance a Trumpist/far-right instance, but I’d rather avoid both.

        • gerryflap@feddit.nl
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          23 minutes ago

          I’m aware that to the far left everyone who doesn’t want to abolish capitalism is considered right wing. I mean the normal (Dutch) political spectrum. Social democratic

    • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      16
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      4 hours ago

      When hexbear federatedn with SJW, I spent a day arguing Russia invading is bad actually, North Korea isn’t a democratic utopia, and China isn’t a shining pillar of socialism. Then I blocked them all because that was exhausting. So idk if hexbear is still so tankie, but they definitely were at that point.

    • bluewing@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      3 hours ago

      Yep. The few I see are easily ignored. Or poked if you want to set them off.

    • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      3 hours ago

      I’m jealous, I keep seeing them everywhere. As for the blocking, I’ve tried to block .ml several times but for some reason it hasn’t worked. -_-

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      25
      arrow-down
      13
      ·
      7 hours ago

      You have to remember, the people making the tankie accusations consider anyone to the left of Joe Biden a tankie.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      29
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      10 hours ago

      This seems like an odd message considering that Lemmy, as software, is being praised here; and what is being criticized are instances wherein the admins enforce apologism for authoritarian regimes.

          • pH3ra@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            54 minutes ago

            Ok man, you do you.
            I checked you profile, in 4 months you have 3 times the comments I wrote in 3 years and you answered my comment within 1 minute.
            I strongly suggest a healthy cure of touching grass.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        7 hours ago

        Yeah, at this point the word “tankie” is used so liberaly that communists are just one type of “tankie”.

        • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          12
          ·
          7 hours ago

          Karl Marx said communism is stateless. Tankies are named after their support of soviet tanks to put down revolutions. That’s the opposite of stateless.

          • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            12
            arrow-down
            6
            ·
            edit-2
            7 hours ago

            Lol, well I guess there are no communists then, because not even Marx himself, as nonone has achieved statelessness.

            Also, what a stupid image, it’s literally just horseshoe theory with “I’m on of the good leftists” liberal boot licking thrown in

              • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                6
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                3 hours ago

                Ok, I think I’m comfortable resting my case that you contorting the meaning of the word ‘communist’ beyond reason.

              • beejboytyson@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                9
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                7 hours ago

                Catalan made their own “state” that’s not stateless. Humans need societies and structures, we aren’t tigers, we’re weak hairless monkeys.

  • hark@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    39
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    14 hours ago

    Yes, welcome redditors to .world, which is trying to model itself as reddit 2.

    • Machinist@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      4 hours ago

      Okay, but where is the instance that is trying to model itself after slashdot? (I feel old)

      • explodicle@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 hours ago

        Best I can do is act like a slashdotter:

        This general idea has already failed elsewhere. What you want can’t work.

    • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      8 hours ago

      It’s a bit like OSRS for reddit - an attempt to revive the reddit we all have very rose-tinted memories of. Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten about the the rampant casual misogyny, tribalism, moderator political infighting, that the 2007 XP rates were actually abysmally implemented and desperately needed retooling (and that deeply awkward “ron paul” phase reddit went through…)

    • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      2 hours ago

      There’s a shit ton of far-right and Sinophobic people on .world. They can’t abide anything that isn’t in line with whatever the CIA is saying.

    • sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      25
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      11 hours ago

      Yeah I’m a bit lost on why someone’s instance automatically = their entire identity. Wouldn’t that means 1) technically we are all tankies on a tankie platform and 2) I need to start learning Finnish?

      • auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        3 hours ago

        Anyone who disagrees with their narratives is banned in hexbear. Ml was the default for a while so loads of people on there who have no idea what a tankie even is.

      • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 hours ago

        Yeah, hexbear and .grad seem to be mostly tankie users, but it seems much more split on .ml. The admins are questionable, and I’ve seen tankies there disproportionally, but since it was the default instance for a long time, there are also a bunch of non-tankie users. I think lumping .ml in with hexbear and .grad really downplays just how bad those two are.

      • ImFineJustABitTired@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        9 hours ago

        Yeah I randomly picked an instance when I created this account around a year ago, and these days I see people comment things like “lol of course you’re from .ml”.

        I don’t even know what’s the difference between instances. And it’s not like we were given a whole lot of explanation when picking one.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        22
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        11 hours ago

        Lemmy.ml admins remove content critical of the CCP, and similar things. The admins of most other instances don’t do that shit.

        Grad is much the same, while Hexbear is just 4chan for Stalinists.

        • sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          12
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          10 hours ago

          No I know, but I’m not interacting with the admins of .ml, and I haven’t really seen anything from the average .ml user that isn’t your run of the mill leftist talking points I see all over Lemmy. They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.

          I have no idea what grad and hexbear are, I’ve never seen those instances and I’m assuming my admin already defederated from them. They’re pretty reasonable in that regard.

          Maybe I should learn Finnish in their honour…

          • PugJesus@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            11
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            10 hours ago

            They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.

            I mean, unless you frequent .ml communities, they can’t censor or ban you.

            That’s the thing though. Those .ml communities end up quietly curated to curb any criticism of the admins’ favorite authoritarians. Highlighting this fact is necessary, and participating in .ml communities is undesirable at best; those who still wish to do so should at least be informed as to what goes on.

            • sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              9
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              10 hours ago

              Oh I see what you’re saying. I agree about the communities, but I was speaking more about the users from .ml getting blasted in communities outside .ml simply because they are from that instance (like in this thread).

              If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml? They’re not in the censored community, we’re not in the censored community, who cares what the .ml admin are doing?

              • PugJesus@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                10 hours ago

                If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml?

                Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization. Not only that, but when grad and Hexbear were defederated by many instances, many users on Grad and Hexbear created accounts on .ml for the explicit purpose of continuing the authoritarian apologia they so enjoyed in the exact places that told them they weren’t welcomed. At some point, pattern recognition sets in, and it’s not inherently wrong for it to do so.

                I don’t think every .ml user is an authoritarian. But if I see someone making authoritarian apologia, I’d say a good 4/5s of the time, it’s someone from .ml.

                • sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  8
                  ·
                  10 hours ago

                  Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization.

                  Sure, but only if they’re solely in those echo chambers, which if they’re posting in .world, they clearly aren’t. And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.

                  I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don’t automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.

                  I had no idea about the Hexbear/lemmygrad lore though, I’ll definitely keep that in mind going forward.

      • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        3 hours ago

        No, I mean it’s the new / local meme word to shut off conversation. And apparently used pretty much the same way right-wingers use it.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        16
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        7 hours ago

        What? Those are the three instant where I see the least denial of the US and Israels genocide, and the least bootlicking of western authoritarianism.

          • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            2 hours ago

            Ok senator McCarthy, not sure what that has to do with what I said. While you’re here, will you also condemn Ukraine’s Donbas genocide?

          • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            arrow-down
            6
            ·
            3 hours ago

            The irony of this is that not being a western bootlicker does automatically make you a Russian bootlicker, according to the people complaining about the “tankie triad”.

              • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                1 hour ago

                Oh, so turns out you can deny genocides then? Oh right, only if it’s not the west making the accusation.

      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        25
        ·
        edit-2
        13 hours ago

        It’s 2025, everyone is both doing genocide and is denying genocide all of the time. Unfortunately that word no longer has any meaning.

          • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            20
            ·
            13 hours ago

            Yes everyone is aware of this power so are using the word as a propaganda tool to further their causes. And everyone is aware that the word is being used as a propaganda tool.

            The scary part is that by watering down the meaning of the word, it’s made actual genocide more likely. If everyone is constantly being accused of genocide all of the time then no one will know when an actual genocide is happening.

  • electric_nan@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    25
    arrow-down
    13
    ·
    13 hours ago

    If you want nothing farther left than drumpf memes, and also like being a little bit bigoted towards Muslims, then Lemmy.world is gonna be a nice cozy home for you.

    • Khlo@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      Español
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 hour ago

      Hai! I’m new here, are all of these comments that I can’t see from .world users? I assume .ml is defederated from .world?

      • electric_nan@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 hour ago

        No, we’re still federated with them. I’m not sure which comments you can’t see. I’ve personally blocked a few of the most insufferable users for my blood pressures sake. You will see weekly (or more frequent) posts like this on .world where they complain about leftist instances and the comments are full of exhortations to block or defederate from lemmygrad, .ml and hexbear.

        • Khlo@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          Español
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 hour ago

          Yea, i created an account over on hexbear and then this one on lemmy.ml as my alt as a more federated instance

        • Khlo@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          Español
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 hour ago

          For example, this comment, i can only see one of the replies from the lemy.lol user.

          Looking in to it deeper it seems like my assumption of lemmy.world being defederated is incorrect.

          The 1st and 2nd screenshots are from lemmy.ml, and the 3rd is from lemm.ee.

          From the Voyager app, showing replies but I can’t expand the replies.

          From lemmy.ml directly in a browser.

          From lemm.ee directly in a browser.

  • Mothra@mander.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    87
    ·
    19 hours ago

    No mention of dbzer0. com anywhere in the meme or text? To any newcomers, if you wouldn’t download a car then you don’t need to know about that instance.

    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      1 hour ago

      If someone’s identity is based on hating tankies, then they’re mostly likely right-wing (aka liberal).

      I don’t like tankies either but they’re just more right-wingers to me. Just the alt-imperial version of liberals. That’s why libs get so mad.

    • cm0002@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      19 hours ago

      Lol I made the original meme and text, I kinda just brain dumped the instances from the top of my head, the hope was others would chime in with their fav instances/comms and add to the list

    • Stovetop@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      17
      ·
      19 hours ago

      It must be the chunk of land they’re sitting on. Just can’t see it because the full text can’t be read in its entirety from that close up.

    • morrowind@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      38
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      14 hours ago

      Lemmy.ml is the original instance and the dev instance. I joined it because there was literally no alternative at the time. It’s pretty annoying being called a tankie left and right because of this

    • JoYo 🇺🇸@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      32
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      edit-2
      14 hours ago

      everyone keeps telling me my instance is full of tankies but im not seeing it. when i made my account this was the only instance.

      also, why the fuck would we want more redditors here?

      • gift_of_gab@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        14 hours ago

        I think there’s an instance on .ml that has everyone in a tizzy. I myself haven’t had any issue with .ml specifically. Lot of ‘mens rights’ bigots from .ee though, not sure why that is.

        • jaybone@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          12 hours ago

          “An instance on .ml” you mean a community? Or you mean another domain name using the .ml top level domain? If it’s the latter, you probably mean lemmygrad.ml. If it’s the former, there are already quite a few communities on there which have a lot of subscribers and often appear in the “all” feed. Normally those are fine. But every now and then you’ll see some tankie comment and like 99% of the time it’s some user from that instance.

          • gift_of_gab@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            11 hours ago

            To be honest, I don’t pay a lot of attention other than to notice the ‘.ml’ and the vast majority of the time, I don’t notice any specific tanki-ness to people from there.

            .ee on the other hand has been… (checks) yeah, all but one of my blocks in the last month.

      • normonator@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        20
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        17 hours ago

        Same as a fellow code enthusiast, the dev instance seemed like a good choice. But no, do not pass go, straight to tankie jail apparently.

    • moon@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      13 hours ago

      It’s pretty insane that choosing the default instance is seen as being indicative of your politics

    • Deceptichum@quokk.au
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      12
      ·
      edit-2
      12 hours ago

      Looks at the Lemmy devs

      They deny genocide and are transphobic

      .me laughs