On our own instance no less lmao
Inb4 YoU CaN jUsT bLOcK uSsSSs
Before joining Lemmy: “It really doesn’t matter what instance you join, you’ll be able to see content from all over.”
After joining Lemmy: “So you’ve enlisted in .world, eh? Welcome to the fight, soldier!”
Well, my 1st matrix account was on the kiwifarms’ server. Nope, I didn’t know tf kiwifarms was at the time, I just liked the name
these memes are always so tortured, the reason I comment in these threads is because it’s funny content and routinely the actual reasons people are mad at .ml is getting banned/censored for being bigoted
the actual reasons people are mad at .ml is getting banned/censored for being bigoted
Where’s my bigotry? As of yesterday I was banned from a ton of .ml communities for “Troll” despite not having posted a single comment or post anywhere in .ml for a long time now.
In fact lots of people are banned for “Troll” or other “catch-all” rules for the audacity of bringing up things like the Uyghur genocide that China is doing or that Russia attacked a country unprovoked and wholly unjustified or even the fact that China is, in fact, Authoritarian
ETA, oh and here I was banned from technology for R1 “Bigotry”, wheres the bigotry in bringing up China being authoritarian?
.ml vs .world fights are always hilarious. And for that reason, they should stay federated.
If they ever defederated, it would be incredibly disruptive since certain communities exist mostly on one or the other.
Wasn’t there a post earlier about this exact thing lol. Can you lot make a community for whinging about something you have control over? That would be great for all.
Man all i did was just chose an instance…
I’ve seen more complaining about ml than the actual things they’re complaining about. It’s pointless infighting among an otherwise like minded community. Even hexbear doesn’t deserve it.
Calm down. Have a hot chocolate and enjoy the season and masturbate thinking about linux to distract from societal collapse like the rest of us.
I’ve been banned from the entire .ml instnce and all its communities for daring to talk about the uyghur genocide.
Yes, we need to defederate now.
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I think it sucks ass (in a bad way) that mods can remove comments in a way that makes it way too difficult for me to see those comments. Like in this case I would very much like some context to this discussion.
Should lemmy instead default to hiding them, and then crazy bastards like me can select to view them?
Oh great, now we have genocide-deniers here.
That right here is why we should defederate.
Also curious how all the comments replying to me are less than one day old 🤔🤔
Could it be an astroturfing campaign by lemmy.ml users? 🤔🤔🤔
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Whataboutism and moving the goalpoast to distract from yourself. Typical.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
Go Astroturf somewhere else.
And just to piss you both off:
Fuck the CCP for their human rights abuses and systematic eradication of the Uyghur population’s culture.
Fuck Netanyahu for doing the same thing to the Palestinians whilst also bombing hospitals, raping women, and slaughtering children.
Fuck Russia for violating Ukraine’s sovereignty and breaking the security guarantee they signed.
And finally, fuck the US for being a hypocrite demanding decolonisation whilst also building up a global military presence and electing the orange turd twice!
Is only genocide if ICC OK…
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Freshly created account, less than a day old.
Totally couldn’t be an astroturfing acoount, could it??
But to answer you question:
If they are allowed their own instance with genocide, why shouldn’t we be allowed one without genocide?
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Not wanting uyghurs to be genocided because of their religion = cringy bullcrap?
Really?
Just block and move on instead of trying to sway oppinions with fake-accounts.
Or better yet: you can support defederation. Then you won’t see any of our anti-genocide posts ever again!
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I’ve been banned from a number of ml instances for saying that communism isn’t that great actually
What would ya’ll do without each other though?
Well, federation temporarily broke between .world and .ml for a bit a couple months ago and it was actually pretty nice. It was a turning point for me I think, up till that point the .ml issue was somewhat passive. Then they were just gone for a few days and it was kinda nice lmao
Inb4 YoU CaN jUsT bLOcK uSsSSs
Sorry for being late to the party, but did you know that you can just block them? Hope this helps!
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.
Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.
This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up.
That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic” Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
“Please block me so I can continue posting slop unopposed”
Because people change their minds on the Internet
I mean… it helps. I’ve seen less tankies after blocking .ml subs, but they’re still there
These instances wars really prove that people attack other people because of any difference they can find.
Sad!
If just for the purpose of avoiding centralisation, I think we should make an effort to not have everything on .world.
But I agree, it’s my personal opinion that my instance should defederate from ML on grounds of genocide denial.
If it worked like that, everyone would have defederated .world cca December 2023.
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I would take you a little seriously if you weren’t a 13 minute old account with a single issue. (Especially since you yourself deny the Uyghur genocide).
But I agree, it’s problematic that people deny genocide no matter what instance it happens in. But only ML has admins that do it and condone it afaik.
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Of the people who say anything about it, there seems to be two mutually exclusive camps of people on Lemmy in regards to how it should be structured.
There’s those who want it to be a drop-in replacement for whatever platform they migrated from (Reddit, ususally), with everything cultured in one simple, easy-to-browse place where there’s enough activity to support diversity, just without the enshittification, even though the centralization they crave is exactly what invites the enshittification…
…and then there’s those who specifically want the site to stay fragmented, because that’s the whole point of federation, it keeps out all the riff raff, and prevents the platform from losing what makes it so great. But many of them complain about why it isn’t growing as fast as they’d like it to, despite the fact that the fragmentation of community is by far the single greatest barrier preventing the mass adoption they yearn for.
Each one seems to want a piece of what the other has.
Individuals have the power to block instances so I don’t really understand why people are pushing for defederation. Just feels like ruining the fun for everyone just because they aren’t having fun and aren’t using the resources they have to make it fun. Defederation should be a last resort, and people seem to want to use it for petty squabbles. I don’t like .ml or hexbear cause they’re both tankies, but I’ll just block the instances myself. Don’t get why we gotta remove the choice from everyone else. But hey, I’m on .dbzer0 so if .world wants to defederate from .ml it isn’t gonna affect me any
To be fair, if Lemmy’s discoverability wasn’t trash you could probably have both. I would love to have a bunch of small instances that were focused on individual topics, like Star Trek or anime or knitting or gardening or whatever and just jump between them. It feels like that’s what federation was built for.
But because Lemmy is so small right now and discoverability is so bad it seems like almost every instance is either intentionally a tech / general purpose one or so adjacent it might as well be. As long as there’s just one community for that thing that people can find that would be great, but instead there are like 10 spread around 3 different instances and 8 of them are dead and 1 just bot reposts the subreddit - and it’s really hard to tell which is which. Like, if everything was actually on one instance at least you could just list everything.
obviously i wouldnt mind if lemmy grows, but I’m quite content with the current active user base.
It’s almost like the saying “the grass is greener” is a reoccurring human phenomenon, lol.
I personally like the idea of many instances, but it would be great if there were a way of doing something about communities that are attempting to fill the same niche. For example, there are 3-4 small-mid sized photography communities with very similar rules and moderation styles. Maybe the mods could agree to form an alliance and somehow federate posts and comments across the community? If something goes sideways they could always break off the community level federation.
So did the United Nations Human Rights Council, two years ago. https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-china/news/setback-for-the-west-un-body-rejects-historic-debate-on-chinas-human-rights-record/
Same single .world user making all these posts.
Duly noted. Blocking this one along with the other serial whiners.
So? It’s the same .ml users complaining.
Really only see weirdly online .world users making posts about it.
Yes what the fuck is up with that? If you don’t like marxism-leninism, you can keep that to yourself. Stop shoving your politics down everyone’s throats with these cringe-ass memes. Just having a .world account makes me feel second-hand embarrassment for people like op
Lmao
Hey, guys. So, I haven’t received any of my payouts from the CIA yet and I have pocket knives and stuff to buy, so… Is there like somebody in HR I can email about this or something?
You gotta sling them an email at: Shirlab@ucia.gov
They should be able to put you in touch with accounts.
Elgin air force base administrates most programs. You probably have to do basic training, but you may be able to work form home. Recruiters will promise that none of the fine print that enslaves you to mobile infantry role will ever be applied to you. After all, if we are successful in fighting humanity over here, we won’t need you to fight it in Ukraine or Russia or China, and citizenship requires service.
Mobile infantry, you say? My desire to know more has suddenly intensified.
Mobile infantry has made us the country we are today.
SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP
You can just talk to Jerry. He’s the guy in the grey sedan across your street. If you give him the code word, he’ll give you the package.
And if not, you can reach Garry inside your walls. He’ll file a complaint with the higher-ups.
It’s all funny but I thought it weird how .world deleted most pro Luigi posts that first week.
The News community did because it promoted violence or whatever their reason was, but there were tons of pro Luigi posts and comments in the memes communities that I don’t remember being deleted. It was not a .world wide thing.
Good lord, and any criticism of an authoritarian communist government and they expose just how much they love the taste of boots.
Once, I was called a “debate pervert” and then banned from a community with “debate pervert” given as the reason.
Why?
I dared to point out that a user’s comment was full of logical fallacies.
They hate that, because there’s no way to argue back against it.
I’ve seen people banned with “liberal” being the reason.
I mean, at the limit, if they were clear in their rules that only radical leftists are allowed (which you would assume given it’s called ML - marxist leninism) it might be acceptable.
The genocide denial and masquerading as a neutral all purpose instance isn’t though.
Okay, but debate pervert is really funny, though.
I laughed when I first read it. I still have no idea what it means.
Fallacy fallacy: only because it contains a fallacy (or a bunch) the argument isn’t necessarily void.
Still stacking fallacies isn’t usually a sign of a good and or valid argument.
It wasn’t a fallacy fallacy. Their entire argument, nay, their entire identity, was based on a foundation of logical fallacies.
And no, their argument was definitely not valid in any way.
Moving the goalpost fallacy. You wrote in your comment to which I replied that no argument can be made against pointing out that someone’s arguments contains fallacies, which is not true.
I wasn’t present as you got hurt arguing on the Internet so I couldn’t anticipate that you were up against someone who’s “entire identity was based on logical fallacies” (ad hominem).
Wow, nice straw man you got there, lol
Also, pointing out that someone bases their entire identity around something isn’t an ad hominem. Even if it were, by your own logic, it wouldn’t make me wrong.
Nice try though
Would you be so kind as to point out the straw man in that?
And no I don’t think you are necessarily wrong, I think you apply your standards selectively.
Now you’re just sealioning. It’s like you can’t even control yourself.
Nice set of logical fallacies in this comment, and I don’t see any citations supporting your anecdote.
I don’t see you actually countering his statement, just throwing random sentences out.
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So, still just throwing out random sentences thinking you are making a point.
“no u”
Got lots of that, too. It’s like speaking to a 4 year-old
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Holy projection, Batman. If you projected any harder, you‘d need an IMAX theater.
Of course, the childish insults were totally expected. And, of course, you couldn’t be more wrong about me. That’s what you get when you make the foolish mistake of assuming you know strangers on the Internet.
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Your entire comment history reads like a cautionary tale of what happens when you deny a child the attention they crave.
This is the funniest thing I’ve ever read, lol
Stay mad, and keep fantasizing about Ben Shapiro’s sweaty ball sack
I would tolerate them a little more if it weren’t for the constant brigading.
Wanna analyze Marxist-Leninist-Maoist theory, self-crit, and all that good stuff? Fine by me, I like discussion of varying viewpoints. But often it’s not about that but are bad faith arguments and whataboutisms about how the decadent West is ruled by the US and how Putin/Kim/Xi did nothing wrong.
It’s exhausting. I don’t go into their subs and rattle on about liberal market economics.
You couldn’t be more right. Take a look around, and you’ll see they’re here in the comments.
“authoritarian communist” is an oxymoron to begin with. how can you build a society where everyone is equal by enforcing authority
Well, every so called communist government has been one, so there are examples…
Thanks for making my point.
I mean don’t you prove his point, by pointing out that all governments that call themselves communist are “so called communist governments”? So they aren’t doing communism right, else they could call themselves rightfully communist.
I do share the notion that communism is an ideology or economic system that is supposed to liberate people from class war. So it should be a liberating force. Suppressing dissent, free media, and casually engaging in imperialism and ethnic cleansing is not what I’d imagine a liberating government would do.
Obviously democracies with “free markets” also have these pitfalls. Not to say that both are equally wrong, but both are surely not the implementation of its self proclaimed ideals.
Another one crawling out the woodwork.
What?
All they know how to do is to insult people who disagree with them.
Every government that called itself communist, yes
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Good thing .ml doesn’t deny any genocide, right? I mean, Muslims are terrorists and Ukrainians are nazis so erasing their culture or stealing their children is actually good :D
/s
Also tankies aren’t communists bc russia and China aren’t communist and you want every communist who disagrees with you dead
The Netherlands isn’t a “fascist” country. Wilders’ PVV party is in government with three other parties, none of which are fascist. Before talks could begin they demanded strong protections for the constitution, which the PVV agreed to. They also agreed that the party leaders should not be in the cabinet, which is why Wilders does not hold a position in the cabinet, he’s still effectively a “house member” to use a US parallel. It’s why the current prime minister (Schoof) is a fairly apolitical bureaucrat and a former member of the PvdA, the Dutch Labour party.
One of the parties in government, NSC, is particularly twitchy about anything remotely fascist or unconstitutional. The initial PVV plan to use emergency powers to stop immigration was shot down by the NSC, and is now off the table. The PVV had to leave most if not all of their anti-Islam policies at the door. They are still fervently anti-immigration, but they’re not working on deportations or anything.
The PVV in government is basically neutered to just a very right-wing party. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a good government and I foresee it falling fairly soon, but they’re not fascist and the Netherlands isn’t a fascist country. Claiming it is just demonstrates ignorance of the Dutch political situation.
…that’s not fascism and not genocide denialism. Comments like yours are exactly the reason why the words “fascist”, “genocide” and many others don’t mean anything anymore, instead being used as generic terms to insult one’s ideological opponents with.
Low moderation doesn’t mean they’re into that. You can find opposite opinions on the instance, which indicates to me that it is just not well moderated and pretty « free »
But after all I don’t really know about the debate, I just learned about that and saw your comment
Another example about genocide denying
https://lemmings.world/comment/12925987
Oops sorry this was you today. Go back to lm
All I see is a lemmy.world user being against a genocide, and a lemmings.world denying it.
They’re two different instances, and if anything it proves that lemmy.world isn’t totally like that
Defederating is censorship. Use it against innocents and you’re no better than them.
All I see is a lemmy.world user being against a genocide, and a lemmings.world denying it.
They’re two different instances, and if anything it proves that lemmy.world isn’t totally like that
That’s the point. The lemmings user complains about denialism while doing it within the same hour.
Defederating is NOT censorship. Giving a larger platform to genocidal and authoritarian instances is bad for everybody. A big selling point of the decentralized nature of Lemmy is to build bridges with most, but also to avoid the most toxic groups. I have ml and hexbear blocked. Until I learned how to do that I was close to leave Lemmy due to the toxicity.
