Right. But unfortunately that’s our reality. We have to build up. If we ever want to move that Overton window… well now it jumped ten steps to the right. It doesn’t go back and forth between each cabinet. It just keeps sliding into the right because again: the right has no standards and is happy to march in lockstep while we quibble over which progressive policy just isn’t good enough.

I fear we deserve to watch the nation burn because like you said, democracy requires vigilance

I don’t buy that. Trump got the undying loyalty support of all right wing media while Harris’s every word and move was scrutinized endlessly on left media. Even Joe Rogan - - supposed enlightened centrist - - did not dare criticize the god emperor Trump. It’s just not the same when it comes to the standards. We are so far from even beginning to have a conversation about progressive policies because we can’t even get our most basic candidates elected.

The right marches us in lockstep towards the bottom while we stick our noses up to our imperfect candidates. I just don’t buy it.

You’re kind of proving my point. We’re now left with the alternative. Again: because we couldn’t be bothered to show up to vote. That home buyer tax credit was one of many policies. Like the child tax credit was a really big deal. But again, here we are tearing her platform apart while the repubs are marching lockstep.

Trump gets to coast on the guarantee that his base will show up no matter any-thing. He is most vile person that ever held office (maybe Jackson is up there with him). But the DNC candidate has to thread carefully and reach near perfection or else face endless barrage of criticism from within.

The two parties seem to have vastly different standards and that’s why we can never move further left. The right wins on every turn regardless while the left is sticking their nose up because the DNC candidate is just never left enough.

I’m not convinced the left was ever going to show up for any candidate. They’re already castigating Bernie, of all people. They’ve already purged AOC.

From what I learned it seems there is absolutely no limit to the amount of purity testing that seems to happen on the left. In the meantime, Republicans are marching us lockstep into direct fascism. So we can’t get anything done because none of the dnc candidates are perfect. Meanwhile, Republicans literally have no standards.

Got any… Evidence?

And Budapest memorandum means… Nothing?

I disagree. I think identity politics is causing a lot of burnout. It might still be relevant but it can’t be the single topic for the Dems to rally around. Yes, it’s the economy. But to pretend the insane thought policing that occurs on the left isnt exhausting is a failure on our part I believe.

I don’t understand what attacking the user for sharing their feelings gets you. It’s the vibe that enough voters shared in to stay home on election day. Her interviews seemed canned and focus group searched to death. Trump speaks like a deranged imbecile, but that’s how his voters are able to connect with him. He stands apart from the rest of the establishment despite being the most snake oil establishment figurehead there is. People see what they want to see in him. He is a tabula rasa for the magats

You’re like the ultimate contrarian in every comment. It’s kinda weird. I don’t get it. What’s your endgame?

You can tell the writers are running out of ideas this season

Pleas don’t give Hollywood any ideas…

I don’t understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point?

I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn’t changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I’m really curious. We’d all like to know.

So… Now we’ve pivotted to ad homs

I don’t know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can’t perform miracles if they don’t have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What’s your plan? I’m listening.

Yes, but Italians are incompetent (at least their government). That’s the one relief

Moderator: I realize this is duplicate feel free to delete

I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I’m for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear???

You’re just restating your original claim without addressing what I wrote. You’re stuck on your point for some reason. I’m telling you, the American Overton window - - as much as we online people want it to be-- is not aligned with what we see in Europe. Step outside social media and talk to real Americans or look at polls. Yes, some things poll really well like Universal health care. But when the same poll ran with a different question “would you be in favor of abolishing private insurance” only fraction rated it favorably. The reality is the US is not yet where we as lefties would like to see it.

They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade.

Two independents from conservative states that barely align with democrats. Why do you handwave this away so easily???