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marketing hirelings will sabotage the narrative with BS to make it go away.
Over advertising has inured most consumers to these practices. Especially younger ones.
They’re gonna attempt to do so. There’s no guarantee it will work.
No it won’t
This whole story is ripe for conspiracy theory. Comparable to Epstein’s arrest and suicide from back in 2020.
Even if the national media wants the story to go away, you’re going to have Luigi enthusiasts popping up on the social fringe for years, if not decades.
I can’t wait to see the NPR article titled “Luigi Mangione was [aquitted/convicted/excuted] years ago. Why do week keep hearing his name in comment sections?”, and I’ll see this NPR article like 5-6 years from now.
Epstien died ~5 years ago, yet I still keep seeing people talking about him.
Mangione has tapped into something most Americans share: a deep hatred of our health insurance system and of the profiteers who seem so indifferent to our suffering and death. He has still not been mentioned by Donald Trump, who must realize that Mangione’s fandom has no political boundaries.
Wow even DT can’t touch this
Hopefully he’s the first of hundreds.
DDD
DDD
444
Out of curiosity I looked up “444” and there’s a bunch of links saying it means a guardian angel. Appropriate?
4 is avoided in Chinese and Japanese. Although contextually its not too far off the mark in this case.
in JP, 4 sounds like ‘shi’, meaning death. 43 sounds like the word for ‘stillbirth’. (‘shi’ also means particle, or also emoticon) In China, 4 = ‘death’, 14 = ‘must die’, 24 = ‘easy to die’
It sounds like what you’re reading is an “angle number.” I’m not sure if that’s what’s referenced above.
the bullet etchings alone make it a work of art. He picked out the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america. Its very much a masterwork execution at a time when everybody wanted a reprieve from the trump media circus.
Timing: 10/10
Execution: 9/10
Target 10/10
Style: 10/10
We live in a country this happens every day I would take a CEO death over a Sandy Hook every time. I wish shootings weren’t as common but it is what it is.
If we were the principled society we pretend to others that we are, we would prefer 100 ceos to 1 Sandy Hook. CEO’s would be all for it as well.
But capitalism doesnt breed a lot of impulses to sacrifice for the greater good. “eff those peasants” is practically explicitely baked into it.the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america.
Too bad that’s not trump :(
I don’t know. Trump is special. I’m hoping more "divine smiting’ for him. For a man that so seems to have the Devil’s charisma behind him, what more fitting end could there be than to die by lightning strike?
Walking the plank or hanged by the city wall maybe?
I’d like to see him kerb stomped for about 35 minutes. If anyone is taking requests.
With my limited view from Germany, thank God that it is not Trump. Presidents come and go, Democrats and Republicans swap places every now and then, but at the end, the US stays an oligarchy. By killing Trump you don’t change much, you might create a public outrage, but it’s like popping a pimple without addressing the acne. It might lead to an even bigger divide within the working class - those who were fooled into voting for Trump vs Democrats vs disappointed, disillusioned Democrats. One of the problems of the election was that not enough left leaning people saw the Democrats as much different from the Republicans, and they are right. Killing a politician would just distract from the problem even more. Just think of how much momentum Trump (and his movement) gained from the assassination attempt.
Here, for once in months, when we see tiktoks or other clips from the public, we cannot even tell immediately where they lean politically - we just see that everyone is fed up with the same crap. Now both left and right, united, experience how the media lies to them and tells a skewed narrative. This is amazing. I sincerely hope it will not die, I hope this will grow and continue to spread like a cancer through society.
It is sad that it took the murder of a person and a young man’s freedom for this.
No no, I didn’t say I wish for him to be shot - that’s for separate discussion - I just wish he was the most unloved. Daydreaming…
Don’t give up hope. He’s had 3 attempts already, hoping #4 is a better shot
Reminder that Luigi didn’t do it
We support him, even if he’s innocent.
Luigis can’t melt steel beams?
Oh you know who did?
I’m still waiting for his bullet proof alibi to emerge. So far, the closest I’ve gotten is some mumbling about a false flag and “big news coming, watch this space”.
Feels like the “Luigi is a fall guy” folks stumbled half drunk out of a “Sandy Hook Was Crisis Actors” convention.
Even if you have irrefutable evidence it was him, it wasn’t him.
That’s conceptually backward to how our justice system (on paper) determines guilt. It has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Luigi did it. Nobody else needs to be convicted or even accused for Luigi to be determined to be innocent.
And there are some good reasons to doubt from what we’ve seen as the public. The cops said they found his backpack in NY but then also found him with his backpack. The pictures don’t quite match. It doesn’t make sense for him to keep incriminating evidence on him in a McDonald’s. There’s a lot about it that stinks.
Most definitely, he isn’t the unibomber largely indiscriminately killing people based on some ideological manifesto, he targeted someone in charge of driving many families into bankruptcy if not outright murdering patients with denials, and targeted a problem that many know to be true. They may be trying to rewrite the legacy of the CEO, but he was not “one of the good guys”.
Although there is some crossover to the unibomber’s manifesto, in the sense that where this would have been the breaking point in societies of the past waiting for a revolution, the new means of control and technology is being used to keep it under control, from all sides, even and specially those that abused social networks to put Trump in power. Can’t have the status quo of “[I can] stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody [but not you]” challenged.
Most definitely, he isn’t the unibomber largely indiscriminately killing people based on some ideological manifesto, he targeted someone in charge of driving many families into bankruptcy if not outright murdering patients with denials, and targeted a problem that many know to be true.
By my math, Brian Robert Thompson killed 40,000 people.
Yes and, board members are the ones enabling the CEOs. They need to be targeted as well.
There’s a lot of overlap.
In recent years, around 30% of newly appointed board members in the S&P 500 have been active or retired CEOs.
And:
CEOs and directors with financial backgrounds constitute 59% of the incoming class of S&P 500 directors…
Source, for whatever it’s worth. I admittedly just did a cursory Google search out of curiosity and that’s what popped up, but I had a feeling it’d be a significant percentage.
This will probably be taken down, but psychology is what I do so here it is. This is not endorsement this is an explanation as to why there’s different sentiment for this shooting.
This was stated in Trevor Noah’s latest podcast in open discussion. Josh Johnson raises the point. Most gun violence stories on the news, people personally feel threatened. Outraged that they or theirs could be at a music festival, a movie, at school. Most assholes with a gun are killing innocent people, never mind all the other bits. And most are clearly a little “crazy.”
This was targeted, killer on killer, no collateral (death/injury) damage. The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage. There’s even a lady with coffee who walks on scene then nopes out unharmed.
This isn’t endorsement. This WHY the public as a whole doesn’t seem to mind. The guy who died killed thousands. That solves the innocent part. The killer doesn’t feel threatening to any of us. Because he’s not. That solves the threat. As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.
And so we find ourselves in an unusual space. Understandably so. This is new.
No I didn’t read the article.
Having a wife and kids is not a free pass, and is no ethical shield. Fight me. Little Jimmy can cry about it in his nepo baby Ferrari.
The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage.
Given his falling out with his ex-wife and penchant for alcoholism, they’re arguably better off without him, assuming he wasn’t already a deadbeat dad.
The killer is not threatening to you until semeone decides that you deserve to be killed.
semeone decides
I would simply not deny Luigi his health care. And I’d sleep easy.
Someone else may decide to kill you for a different reason.
That’s already true though. Anyone can kill anyone. It just costs the killer their freedom or their life.
That’s a risk we’ve always lived with.
Have you killed thousands of people through insurance denials to make a quick buck? No?
Then you’re fine.
I haven’t killed tens of thousands of sick people so I’m safe.
Someone might decide that something else you did is wrong.
That could happen any day but how is that fact relevant?
Do you want to live in a society where anyone can kill you because they think you’re a bad person?
That’s today. That’s our current reality. That’s the society that I already live in, because I’m a horrible, nasty, evil person who rides a bicycle to get places.
I’m in Madison, Wisconsin, too, so it’s rather fresh in my mind that anyone can kill me just randomly out of the blue.
Any idiot in a car can kill me at any time, because he’s getting road rage. I’m living in Europe, grew up in the 80s where nuclear war was a very real danger that could break out any moment, vaporizing all the cities. Even though we were allies of the US, highways were prepared to be outfitted with nuclear mines so the Russians couldn’t roll all over Western Europe. We have a war right now next to our countries which could turn into WW3 at any time. A close friend of mine is Bosnian, she has seen the fighting in the Balkans few years agom
People kill each other all the time, because they consider each other bad persons. I just refuse to live in fear.
And the longer I live, the more I believe in violence as a legitimate defense. If someone shot Putin tomorrow, I would be happy. If someone had shot Hitler in the 30s the would would probably have been a better place.
So where is the line that divides killing someone is a good thing vs a bad thing? I used to believe it is always evil, but I can’t anymore.
Yes, exactly. I don’t think there is anyone in the world who knows me and believes that I, specifically, deserve to be killed. I think almost every person feels the same way. The rare exception being someone who has intentionally profoundly harmed or killed people.
I would say that if you find this particular killer’s motives personally threatening, you should probably resign from your day job and move into your bunker.
I see you getting downvoted but a lot of doctors get death threats too, and while everyone seems to have a horror story about a doctor they didn’t like, I’m pretty sure most are the scapegoats of a broken system. So yeah, while Luigi’s target was well-chosen, I don’t trust every vigilante to be as smart.
a lot of doctors get death threats too
I gotta wonder at the folks who have bombed (or threatened to bomb) abortion clinics and been lionized by pro-Life advocates. Even granted clemency by ultra-right wing Republican governors.
None of them seem particularly enthusiastic about this slaying, though.
So yeah, while Luigi’s target was well-chosen, I don’t trust every vigilante to be as smart.
The starkest comparison I’ve seen is Daniel Perry - who strangled a man to death on the subway - getting box seats with the President/VP and a full throated cheer from folks on the right.
Meanwhile, Luigi has enormous mainstream appeal, but enjoys virtually no positive coverage among liberals on the left.
The division is stark. It’s very obvious that vigilantism is encouraged by the state when it targets certain people. CEOs just aren’t on the approved list.
You mean someone like Brian Thompson?
You mean Brian Robert Thompson?
It’s a long standing tradition to refer to serial killers by their full name. Think John Wayne Gacy. It seems appropriate here.
That’s the point. “WHY” did they decide it had to be you.
Someone, maybe, a fair point. It will probably happen at work if at all given the boring, “helper” life I lead.
But not this guy. That’s the salient point.
You watch yourself on that slippery slope now.
Yeah, America, meaning USA. The rest of the world is tired of hearing it.
The whole world is in love with Luigi from what I’ve seen with my international friends.
mabye in your circles but no one here gives a shit other than the drunks on the street.
no one here gives a shit
I would recommend you and your friend touch grass.
Thanks, i touch grass every day.
It won’t last longer than another week!
If you can spell “DDD” you can help keep it going.
Shower thought with no evidence:
Perhaps some big news will come out that distracts us from this soon. It’ll have to be pretty wild to distract us, so buckle up.
No shit… The gaping hole is the fact rich fucks are all we have to vote for. The President that recently won is the biggest example of undeserved wealth and power ever.
We need to bring back “No taxation without representation” because rich fucks sure as hell can’t fairly represent the rest of us.
Well you see the problem is that its ‘no taxation for the represented’ oops.
Tell ya what. I’m struggling to make rent right now. Working 6 days a week, living alone, just keeping my head above water.
2028, everybody vote for me, and I’ll run on the platform of giving rich people the middle finger.
Like Robin Hood…except vulgar.
If someone ran for governor of NY on a platform of giving Luigi a full pardon, they would win in a landslide.
In theory, couldn’t Luigi run for president from jail?
In theory, yes!
You can’t afford to even run. You gonna start a gofundme?
You have my vote
And my axe!
Robin Fucking Hood? RFH!!! It has s ring! Sure I’ll vote for you!
Eh, feels very populist and single issue. What’s your plan for healthcare like?
Tbf whatever they come up with will most likely be better than whats currently happening.
You could invent a better political system by tattooing every political idea onto your skin and passing whichever words get zits into law, so obviously it goes without saying
Give it to the people who need it.
you had me at “gaping hole”
Because he’s done more to fix our healthcare system than any politician.
He can fix us.
We need more Luigis for some more fixing.
I wouldn’t say fixed as things are the same way as they are, but reminded us how every day we are fucked by oligarchs.
This is a weird time as we just elected them, just look how many billionaires are in trump’s cabinet picks.
To fix is not the same thing as fixed. He’s done more towards fixing the problem. This said, it’s very important to reiterate, as you have, that nearly NOTHING hss still been accomplished.
I mean, Anthem did back down from that stupid policy about time limit anesthesia
as we just elected them
That’s because the system is rigged. We can only ever choose between one rich person and another.
You can’t compare Harris and Trump in that regard whatsoever
I’m from Australia and I’m quite obsessed with this, so it’s a pretty global feeling.
Am from Germany. I want them to know this is what happens if they ever take our health care away. Pry it from my cold dead hands and all that. Luigi is a hero!
I think for those of us who have universal healthcare, it still has the David vs Goliath appeal.
I’m not from Australia, but every Australian I’ve ever interacted with has been good people.
…so I don’t think your username is apt.
You can be a dumbass and a good person! Cheers for the compliment, but it’s a pretty apt description of me a lot of the time lol.
People love a martyr. Our man Luigi has become one, and it’s exactly what the cause has needed.
Those of us with UHC will not forget. I spent 2 years trying to get mental health help through UHC.
But will it be sustained? Or burn out?
I’m not hopeful it will, especially since the U.S. has already gone back to killing children instead.
Well, something isn’t going to stop burning. Remember, when Brian Robert Thompson hit the pavement, he didn’t stop falling. He fell, and fell, and fell, right into the gaping maw of the Pit of Hell itself.
The man died utterly unrepentant for mass murder. On the morning of his death, he was on his way to a conference, a conference where he planned to openly celebrate the record profits he earned from all the people he killed.
If that isn’t enough to Damn a soul for all eternity, I don’t know what is.
I can’t speak for everyone. All I know is that every time I notice the deduction in my paycheck that’s going toward my health insurance, I’ll be thinking of this. Same with when I have to pay a co-pay despite having said-insurance. Or when I get a text from the urgent care, months after my visit, telling me I still have “a balance” to resolve…
Really, there is no shortage of reminders for many of us. As long as the system keeps squeezing us, we will have plenty of reminders.
Quest diagnostics wouldn’t let my phlebotomist do the digital part of my bloodwork until I paid my debt to them. She tried everything, and their software locked her out. She was getting quietly furious as she messed with her computer while apologizing to me.
I’ll be thinking about that everytime I need healthcare.
Oh and just so everyone knows, Quest Diagnostics has been in federal court for Medicaid fraud several times and yet their allowed to keep operating. But its definitely “unnecessary care” driving up healthcare costs
https://bergermontague.com/quest-diagnostics-pay-1-79-million-settle-false-claims/
Mainstream media will try to move it to the next news cycle to be forgotten. We will keep the flame lit ourselves.
I wonder. I still talk about snowden being a hero and I get some yahoo arguing with me. heroes of the millenia.
Snowden was a hero. Though, seeing him endorse RFK Jr. was a little questionable.
Snowden, and Greenwald by extension, are perfect examples of how being right about one thing doesn’t make someone right about everything. I also have serious problems with how Snowden chose to whistleblow, though the actual whistleblowing was necessary.
Definitely made a deal with the devil. I can’t say I wouldn’t do the same in his shoes though, and I’m as anti-Russia as they come.
There were a lot of options for non-extradition before Russia. Even the route he took when he fled doesn’t make a ton of sense unless he’s selling the information to America’s security competitors. My guess is he genuinely believed in leaking the information and he got paid to do it by one or more foreign countries.
I’m beyond fuzzy on the details. I’ll have to read a refresher honestly.
the pardon talk may have influenced him on that.
Yeah Snowden disclosed important information in a responsible way; I don’t question his intentions. Assange on the other hand…
aSsANgAe oN tHe oHeR HanD
Damn, you got me
Got to get up early to fool me Morty.
That will be much more relevant in the coming days. Remember, autocrats give no fucks about even pretending to not be doing those things.
What about decepticons?
