Everybody says this. Nobody posts recipes.

Bang bang, shoot shoot.

Because the only thing worse than self driving is human driving.

Special characters suck in on-screen keyboards, and the bastards rarely gave us physical thumboards.

To be clear: The Trump administration said the courts don’t have the power to order his return.

The courts certainly do have the power to order the Trump administration to return him. The court that issued the original order can find the administration in contempt, and order restitution for each day that he is held in El Salvador.

Real printers used real paper…

This transfers money from the advertiser to the advertising agency, without creating a sale for the advertiser. This devalues the services of the agency.

Get out of my head!!!

I would say that the software side all qualifies. You’re setting up the full software stack; that’s definitely self-“something”.

I, personally, would only consider it “self hosting” if I can take a sledge hammer to the bare metal without getting arrested.

But, I acknowledge that is an arbitrary, puritanical distinction. I don’t look down on VPS; they have specific pros and cons, and I use them myself. I just think that “self hosting” includes hardware factors, not just the software.

Dump him right on the border.

The border runs right through the middle of 4 of the 5 Great Lakes…

they don’t want to mess with the terminal to troubleshoot any errors.

I reject your premise that the purpose of the terminal is to troubleshoot errors. That is part of the widespread misconception I am talking about.

The terminal is simply for using the computer. With all the command line utilities available, and their widespread interoperability, the terminal should be one of the first tools a user looks for.

A GUI is a hammer. The CLI is the Snap-On tool truck.

EVERYTHING? I enjoy doing things that aren’t eating and sex on a intrinsic level that I was never trained to enjoy.

No, not “intrinsically”, you don’t. Food, fuck, sleep, that’s about it. You likely enjoy other things as well, but not intrinsically. I enjoy Sudoku, but that is something I learned. There is no “enjoy sudoko” element within me that I did not put there myself.

Why didn’t people adopt personal computers en masse before Windows came to be then?

They did. Everyone I knew back in the Windows 3.1 days already had computers. Most of those people didn’t have Windows, and used standalone applications. The increase in ownership came when hardware prices finally fell enough for them to be affordable. Windows development was a result of that uptick, not the cause.

No worries!

Shut up, wesley

Do you also think that anyone that wants a car should be a mechanic?

I reject the premise.

I think that anyone who wants to be a driver should be able to understand that the brake pedal squeezes the pads against the rotor.

I don’t think that everyone who can identify a brake rotor is a mechanic.

Anyone that wants a drug should be a pharmacist?

I think that anyone who wants any sort of medicine should have enough medical, mathematical, and statistical knowledge to understand that vaccines don’t cause autism. I don’t think that everyone with such knowledge is a pharmacist, mathematician, or statistician.

The idea that the command line is “unfriendly” and that decelopers should hide it away is, in my opinion, the computer equivalent of the antivax movement.

Most people do not intrinsically desire that.

The only things that people “intrinsically” want are food and fornication. Everything else, they have been taught and trained. The training they have received from Microsoft domination has been “don’t learn how to use a computer”.

That training is something to despise and reject, not incorporate into Linux.

Most people don’t care about automation. They just don’t.

Microsoft would certainly have us believe that. Decades of operant conditioning by Microsoft and Apple have given us that attitude.

Most people certainly do want automation; they don’t know how to automate. There was a meme floating around recently about a temp who replaced hours and hours of tedious, daily transcription between two applications with ctrl-c, ctrl-v.

We have all seen plenty of examples like this, with users doing excessive manual labor out of simple ignorance of absurdly simple automation.

And your still refusing the point.

The point arises from the very attitude I am challenging, so yes, I am refusing the point. We should not be encouraging or supporting the behaviors you describe, but should instead be promoting the tools that allow the average user to identify menial tasks and relegate them to the machine.

In my opinion, Linux and its various distro’s main goal ought to be to undermine for-profit OS. Not to turn everyone into computer techs.

Turning everyone into “computer techs” is how we undermine for-profit OS. The command line is a spoon. In the hand of a toddler, it goes flying across the room, along with the mashed potatoes it held. Microsoft’s answer to that flying spoon is to teach the kid that they can never touch the spoon; they must let mommy do it for them (and here is “mommy’s” bill for that “service”).

Microsoft teaches that it is a “pipe dream” for the average person to ever have sufficient mastery over the spoon to be able to feed themselves. They taught us that spoons are scary and dangerous.

Linux keeps putting that spoon on her tray, and encouraging her to use it.

My “goal” has less to do with bringing Linux to the masses and more with bringing the masses to Linux. The “pipe dream” argument you presented should not be ported in. The “normie” should be taught from a very young age that the command line isn’t “unfriendly”, but wildly powerful, and well within their capacity to wield.

if my whole family is to use a Linux environement thet moment they will see a consol they will run away.

Then they will never script anything. They will never automate a task themselves. They will only ever operate a computer manually, interactively, rather than programmatically.

Windows pushed users to remain toddlers their entire lives. They charge us for the privilege, so they want to keep spoon feeding us for our entire lives. When we see a spoon anywhere but in their hands, they want us to throw it across the room rather than pick it up and try to use it.

Microsoft wants your family to run away screaming, rather than asking what that console is and what it can do.

The objective of Linux is to put the spoon on the tray of your toddler’s high chair. Linux encourages her to pick it up, poke it at her food, and keep encouraging her to learn, to develop and build on her skills, until she is asking for the fork, the knife.

Dude, nobody wants to take away the CLI on Linux

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If we want Linux to succeed, there needs to be at least one distro that confidently ships without a terminal.