How is this administration better? Fucking purity tests i swear, are the reason we are being drawn more and more into fascism. You can be against genocide and vote for the lesser of two evils. Its not black and white like you want to make it put to be. A lot of people were very angry (myself included) with the Biden administration’s response to the Gaza protests, and dissent crackdown.
Well, if democrats aren’t fascists, then surely they’re doing everything possible to stop Trump, right? I’m sure none of them voted with republicans or helped confirm his picks, right?
Listen, I hate liberals as much as the next leftist, but you’re being intentionally dense, and it’s not a cute look. You know Biden didn’t start the genocide, so stop the bullshit.
I don’t understand how you can’t understand simple logic. Both democrats and republicans give infinite military and diplomatic support to Israel. Always protecting it’s war crimes. Hamas decided to do a major attack during Biden so israel started the genocide during Biden. If hamas decided to attack during trump then the genocide would start during trump
The point they were making was that this woman should still have been in the streets protesting genocide regardless of the sitting president. They are calling the complicity of this womans desire for inaction disgusting and it should be viewed that way. Getting your genocidal fuck in office does not absolve you of responsibility, if anything you should demand more from them. Going back to brunch means being comfortable with the crimes of your empire just because you aren’t threatened by them at that moment.
And what the 2024 nominee, Kamala Harris, who, you know, the presumptive or leading nominee for 2028, she’s she signaled she’s going to run again. One would be curious what she would say about this. She has not commented. She lost the election about seven months ago. Has not commented at all on Gaza, except twice to hand-wring about Israeli hostages. She’s not opposed anything Trump has done with respect to the genocide in Gaza, not publicly at least. She hasn’t publicly condemned anything that Trump has done with respect to Iran. And the bombing happened last night. Since then, she hasn’t issued a statement. She hasn’t condemned it. She hasn’t opposed it. Now, a lot of people say, Oh, well, Harris would have been better than Trump. Again, very possible, but the one person in the world who could solve this mystery, which is Kamala Harris herself, has yet to criticize Trump on the subject of Israel at all.
So you do know you have very few choices. How astute of you! Did you figure that out all on your own?
This is what you call a democracy? No anti-genocide choice, so just move on and normalize atrocities until the fascists kill you too. I’m never gonna look at the democrats as being separate from the Republicans again, because theyre not. They meet halfway with genocide when there should be none!
Do you think a guarantee of MORE genocide is less good than the level of genocide already going on?
If there were a real option where “no genocide” was on the table, people would take it. Do something to make such a choice possible. Hint: It’s not allowing fascism to take over.
There’s so much wrong with what you just said, that I don’t even have time to point out all the problems because I have to watch the next episode of Muderbot. But I will spare the time to point out there have been many times in the past several decades when democrats had the option to spurn their sponsors in the military industrial complex and not warmonger, but not a single one of those times did they choose the humane option and just not.
Anyone who thinks that politicians that are bought and paid for by the corporate war machine are just going to stop murdering kids is either incredibly naive, or an idiot. I’ll let you decide which of the two you are.
Anyone who thinks that politicians that are bought and paid for by the corporate war machine are just going to stop murdering kids is either incredibly naive, or an idiot. I’ll let you decide which of the two you are.
I agree. So why is the argument from your side of the table just apathy? Doing nothing isn’t going to solve anything, and the only options available ATM are nothing but limiting how much damage is done or accelerating/increasing the damage. Do you have any actionable solutions to get a secret third option, besides “hurr durr, I am not voting because both choices are bad?” Because not understanding the concept of a “lesser evil” when no other choice is available is far more naive.
Oh, so six million people can turn out to protest a dictator, but liberals can’t be bothered to do the same when it’s to stop a genocide? What the actual fuck, dude? So the only fucking time you’ll get off your lazy liberal ass to do anything is when it impacts you specifically? What a horrible person you are.
But hey, at least you can pat yourself on the back for voting for the lesser evil. What a shit take. I think that’s enough from you. Thank you, do not come again.
Less genocide? What does that even mean?! You can’t systematically murder a people to a greater or lesser degree. There is no “good” way to support a genocide. Just don’t support genocide. It’s actually fairly easy to do.
It’s not allowing fascism to take over.
So the people who happily funded and supported a fascist ethnostate committing a genocide and who continue to do so are going to stop fascism? Right, got it. That makes perfect sense.
You can systematically murder more groups than just 1.
If you support one genocide for your own personally benefit what’s to stop you from supporting another? You’re morally bankrupt and completely irredeemable at that point.
If it was that easy, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
It is that easy! You just don’t want to admit. You’re operating on an absurd moral plane where you think one set of genocide supporters is more redeemable than another. At that point you’ve already accepted the inevitability of fascism and you’re just trying to make a bargain with it. I’m here to tell you fascism doesn’t work that way. If you give it an inch it will take a mile.
you’re arguing that doing nothing is the morally superior response.
You can actually do things that don’t require you to carry water for genocide supports. Go to a protest and connect with likeminded people. Organize your workplace or community. Engage in civil disobedience against unjust state violence. Instead of pretending that the only choice that matters is the one where you spend five seconds filling in one of two boxes every four years, do something that actually makes a difference.
Trump’s a shitstain of a human, but so is every other of your politicians. Everybody knows they’re liars, yet you pick favorites and sides. There was absolutely no chance Biden/Harris would back down, and, with the democrats in charge, you’d go back to living as though politics is a game for you and not recognize for others it’s life and death.
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT! American liberals are the stupidest, most inbred Neanderthals I’ve ever had the displeasure of knowing. You are more harmful to resistance than any individual Republican, and I’m well aware that after voting you’d just sit back and not care about children being burnt alive.
Fuck your “elections”. A 2 party system was never a democracy. You’ve never been free. EVERYBODY else knows that the West, and most of all America, are fucking lying about freedom and democracy every time they open their shit eating mouths.
I understand the anger. I really do. But you need to relax. Because anger and hatred isn’t going to get us anywhere.
We need to try and understand each other better. We need solidarity, and that will only come from attempting to, in good faith, understand each other and where we come from.
We all have much more in common than you’d think, but speaking like this is just going to close the conversation off instead of opening it up.
You expect people to automatically have the correct opinions like we’re all born ultra-leftist and act as though any belief that deviates indicates a flaw in their cognitive ability or a personality defect. You think a single mother working three jobs just needs to be scolded about praxis by some college-aged brat who just discovered Kropotkin last week? Do you think the black family whose about to lose their apartment from gentrification deserves it because they didn’t have a Marxist reading group every Friday?
It’s a shitty attitude to have and speaks volumes about your feelings of superiority. Try being more charitable instead of getting salty about people being imperfect.
I mean, you don’t need to read theory to hold the opinion that killing innocent people is wrong. What you’re describing isn’t a lack of praxis, but of morals. The rest of your comment is just nonsense. Nobody is losing their apartment. People are dying though, and you’re not doing anything about it.
“Its the same as saying that a person who puts a house on fire is as guilt as someone who [watched and] did not put it off. Top burguerlander mental performance”
I’m pretty sure there isn’t a country in the world where you have to put out a fire you’ve witnessing or be held accountable. So regardless of whether your point is good, your analogy is shit.
I see genocide isn’t a dealbreaker for her.
How is this administration better? Fucking purity tests i swear, are the reason we are being drawn more and more into fascism. You can be against genocide and vote for the lesser of two evils. Its not black and white like you want to make it put to be. A lot of people were very angry (myself included) with the Biden administration’s response to the Gaza protests, and dissent crackdown.
it would be better if motherfuckers didnt have to choose between fascism and diet fascism.
somebody reported your comment for “trolling” lmao
that was indeed amusing.
What the fuck is diet fascism even?
It’s liberal fascism. People like kamalacaust who support genocide, prisons, nationalism, etc. without being explicitly racist like regular fascists.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
the kind of fascism that pretends its not fascism, and can only do so by comparison with overt fascism. the kamala/biden kind of fascism.
Yeah, I dont think you actually know what fascism is.
does financing and supporting fascism all over the globe for close to 100 years not count?
tell me yourself. what is it then?
“Everything I don’t like is fascism”
Here ya go:
https://politicalscienceblog.com/the-10-characteristics-that-define-fascism-why-it-has-become-popular-again/
Libs are only missing #6 by a little bit but their support for “democracy” is only to enable more fascism.
“Everyone I don’t like hates Jews”
See, I can do it too.
Well, if democrats aren’t fascists, then surely they’re doing everything possible to stop Trump, right? I’m sure none of them voted with republicans or helped confirm his picks, right?
Right?
Not starting a genocide is better than starting a genocide.
If 7 of october was done during trump the genocide would have started during his presidency. Both partiez are genocidals
If my grandma had wheels she would be a bycicle. I do think trump and republicans are criminals etc, but the one who started the genocide was biden
The genocide has been going on for decades. Biden may have been complicit, but he wasn’t responsible for it.
My mistake. I had the impression he was the sitting president of the USA when said country was giving billions of dollars to kill palestinian children
Listen, I hate liberals as much as the next leftist, but you’re being intentionally dense, and it’s not a cute look. You know Biden didn’t start the genocide, so stop the bullshit.
Fediverse now connecting alternative dimensions too
Nah. That genocide has been going on since the mid-20th century.
Genocide joe apologists do some weird tricks to fullfill their fantasies
Nah, not going to get into it with since who is willfully ignorant of history.
You don’t need to anyway, I banned them.
Whe the last time a president say no to israel regardless of the winning party? The genocide could have happen during any american president
“He did not do it, but he could, so its just as bad”. Peak burguerlander arguing
I don’t understand how you can’t understand simple logic. Both democrats and republicans give infinite military and diplomatic support to Israel. Always protecting it’s war crimes. Hamas decided to do a major attack during Biden so israel started the genocide during Biden. If hamas decided to attack during trump then the genocide would start during trump
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The point they were making was that this woman should still have been in the streets protesting genocide regardless of the sitting president. They are calling the complicity of this womans desire for inaction disgusting and it should be viewed that way. Getting your genocidal fuck in office does not absolve you of responsibility, if anything you should demand more from them. Going back to brunch means being comfortable with the crimes of your empire just because you aren’t threatened by them at that moment.
from https://citationsneeded.medium.com/news-brief-us-media-top-dems-assist-trump-and-israels-unprovoked-attack-on-iran-d391810dc29b
Unfortunately (thanks to living in a shithole) there’s no anti-genocide choice
So you do know you have very few choices. How astute of you! Did you figure that out all on your own?
This is what you call a democracy? No anti-genocide choice, so just move on and normalize atrocities until the fascists kill you too. I’m never gonna look at the democrats as being separate from the Republicans again, because theyre not. They meet halfway with genocide when there should be none!
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So in this case you think supporting a genocide is a good option?
Do you think a guarantee of MORE genocide is less good than the level of genocide already going on?
If there were a real option where “no genocide” was on the table, people would take it. Do something to make such a choice possible. Hint: It’s not allowing fascism to take over.
There’s so much wrong with what you just said, that I don’t even have time to point out all the problems because I have to watch the next episode of Muderbot. But I will spare the time to point out there have been many times in the past several decades when democrats had the option to spurn their sponsors in the military industrial complex and not warmonger, but not a single one of those times did they choose the humane option and just not.
Anyone who thinks that politicians that are bought and paid for by the corporate war machine are just going to stop murdering kids is either incredibly naive, or an idiot. I’ll let you decide which of the two you are.
I agree. So why is the argument from your side of the table just apathy? Doing nothing isn’t going to solve anything, and the only options available ATM are nothing but limiting how much damage is done or accelerating/increasing the damage. Do you have any actionable solutions to get a secret third option, besides “hurr durr, I am not voting because both choices are bad?” Because not understanding the concept of a “lesser evil” when no other choice is available is far more naive.
Oh, so six million people can turn out to protest a dictator, but liberals can’t be bothered to do the same when it’s to stop a genocide? What the actual fuck, dude? So the only fucking time you’ll get off your lazy liberal ass to do anything is when it impacts you specifically? What a horrible person you are.
But hey, at least you can pat yourself on the back for voting for the lesser evil. What a shit take. I think that’s enough from you. Thank you, do not come again.
Less genocide? What does that even mean?! You can’t systematically murder a people to a greater or lesser degree. There is no “good” way to support a genocide. Just don’t support genocide. It’s actually fairly easy to do.
So the people who happily funded and supported a fascist ethnostate committing a genocide and who continue to do so are going to stop fascism? Right, got it. That makes perfect sense.
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If you support one genocide for your own personally benefit what’s to stop you from supporting another? You’re morally bankrupt and completely irredeemable at that point.
It is that easy! You just don’t want to admit. You’re operating on an absurd moral plane where you think one set of genocide supporters is more redeemable than another. At that point you’ve already accepted the inevitability of fascism and you’re just trying to make a bargain with it. I’m here to tell you fascism doesn’t work that way. If you give it an inch it will take a mile.
You can actually do things that don’t require you to carry water for genocide supports. Go to a protest and connect with likeminded people. Organize your workplace or community. Engage in civil disobedience against unjust state violence. Instead of pretending that the only choice that matters is the one where you spend five seconds filling in one of two boxes every four years, do something that actually makes a difference.
You don’t get to tell people to shut the fuck up. That’s my job. Cool your jets or move along.
It was bound to happen that the worst of the worse would won. Since american been fine with a teo party system for centuries
So you agree with them.
Because this administration stopped the genocide, right?
THEY DID SOMETHING. FUCKING ANYTHING.
Trump’s a shitstain of a human, but so is every other of your politicians. Everybody knows they’re liars, yet you pick favorites and sides. There was absolutely no chance Biden/Harris would back down, and, with the democrats in charge, you’d go back to living as though politics is a game for you and not recognize for others it’s life and death.
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT! American liberals are the stupidest, most inbred Neanderthals I’ve ever had the displeasure of knowing. You are more harmful to resistance than any individual Republican, and I’m well aware that after voting you’d just sit back and not care about children being burnt alive.
Fuck your “elections”. A 2 party system was never a democracy. You’ve never been free. EVERYBODY else knows that the West, and most of all America, are fucking lying about freedom and democracy every time they open their shit eating mouths.
When are you going to fucking catch up?
This was a cathartic read
I understand the anger. I really do. But you need to relax. Because anger and hatred isn’t going to get us anywhere.
We need to try and understand each other better. We need solidarity, and that will only come from attempting to, in good faith, understand each other and where we come from.
We all have much more in common than you’d think, but speaking like this is just going to close the conversation off instead of opening it up.
You expect people to automatically have the correct opinions like we’re all born ultra-leftist and act as though any belief that deviates indicates a flaw in their cognitive ability or a personality defect. You think a single mother working three jobs just needs to be scolded about praxis by some college-aged brat who just discovered Kropotkin last week? Do you think the black family whose about to lose their apartment from gentrification deserves it because they didn’t have a Marxist reading group every Friday?
It’s a shitty attitude to have and speaks volumes about your feelings of superiority. Try being more charitable instead of getting salty about people being imperfect.
I mean, you don’t need to read theory to hold the opinion that killing innocent people is wrong. What you’re describing isn’t a lack of praxis, but of morals. The rest of your comment is just nonsense. Nobody is losing their apartment. People are dying though, and you’re not doing anything about it.
Honestly I would expect people to be against genocide. This isn’t something that I can excuse by “they didn’t know any better”.
Oh boy, how do you keep a brain so big in your head? Must be a real burden.
Its the same as saying that a person who puts a house on fire is as guilt as someone who did not put it off. Top burguerlander mental performance
You say that like Trump isn’t actively pouring gasoline on the fire.
“Its the same as saying that a person who puts a house on fire is as guilt as someone who [watched and] did not put it off. Top burguerlander mental performance”
ftfy
I’m pretty sure there isn’t a country in the world where you have to put out a fire you’ve witnessing or be held accountable. So regardless of whether your point is good, your analogy is shit.
So if someone puts a house on fire, you see it and dont do anything, would it be fair to arrest both of you? Yes or no question