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- trump_watch@lemmy.world
Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.
Federal law states that the United States shall not “expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture.” This law implements a treaty, known as the Convention Against Torture, which the United States ratified more than three decades ago.
Federal regulations, moreover, provide that even after an immigration judge has determined that a noncitizen may be deported to another country, that judge’s order “shall not be executed in circumstances that would violate Article 3 of the United Nations Convention Against Torture.” And those regulations also establish a process that immigrants can use to raise concerns with an immigration judge that they may be tortured if sent to a specific country.
The Trump administration, however, claims it has discovered a loophole that renders all of these legal protections worthless, and is now asking the Supreme Court to explicitly give it the authority to make use of that loophole in order to enact its immigration policies.
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Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.
Legal or not, why are you looking for excuses to torture people?
To torture people, of course.
State terrorism, plain and simple
Not letting torture stop the US from forcing them out.
“Look buddy, we didn’t drown any slaves, we just threw them overboard all chained together in the open sea, after that what happens to them isn’t our problem”
Same energy.
yeah. The civil war is starting.
If you’re on the side of torture, you’re one of the bad guys
Can we not relitigate this. I remember this from like 18 years ago. It was not a good time.
It wasn’t taken care of then, which is why we’re dealing with it now. After all, we have to mOvE oN aNd LoOk To ThE fUtUrE iNsTeAd Of DwElLiNg On ThE pAsT.
See, this is why gwb and his cronies should have been prosecuted.
Instead, centrists were delighted when harris got dick cheney’s endorsement, and were upset when gwb declined to endorse.
Orange man is really leaning into this role of authoritarian dictator, isn’t he?
Trump has a team of people who dedicated time, energy, and resources, to find a loophole around a ban on torture.
That sums up this administration’s direction pretty succinctly.
I agree, but there’s a difference. Trump is a figurehead. It’s not his team. Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation are the “deep state” that the right voters were convinced were controlling them through the dems. Peter Thiel, Putin, the Koch, Scaife, Uihlein, Bradley families and/or foundations, Barre Seid, Leonard Leo, Coors, Walmart, Exxon mobile, etc etc they’re all financing and guiding the hydra.
Trump goes away and Peter Thiel wormtongues Vance into doing the same shit
I think it’s ignorant to underscore the importance of Trump. He’s made himself as irreplaceable to their plans as possible. He relies on them to work like all kings do, but without him they’ll have a much harder time keeping the coalition from cannibalizing itself.
We can only hope that the Big Macs and lack of exercise kill him quickly.
Totally agree with what you said. It was just easier to get a point across pointing at TrumpCo.
No way in hell he’s top dog in this shit show, just a gullible fool of hate and piss.
Gullible pool of hate, piss, and money.
I can’t wait for Nuremberg 2: electric boogaloo
As always, the cruelty is the point
its a great distraction for the dumpy supporters, so they arnt focused on the actual things that mattered.
Pretty tough talk from the orange dude that vociferously whines about reporters asking “nasty” questions.
If you face torture or deathcamps, It’s better to go out shooting.
We should have Trump dragged through the streets by a Tesla.
Wouldn’t you rather use something more reliable? What if it rains?
I was thinking feeding him McDonald hamburgers, Matilda style.
I would suggest a Swasty-truck, but they keep breaking down
If only the US citizens weren’t fascists themselves.
I’m not
There are at least two of us then. Makes me feel a little better.
I’m not either!
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Orange hitler needs to be impeached, removed from office, and sent to prison for his previous and current crimes.
Who’s gonna do it? Democrats? Ha.
They’re too busy fucking over David Hogg to care.
I was hoping this would happen after his first term. However it will never, ever, EVER, happen. There just isn’t anyone with a spine who will do anything about him.
Now I’m hoping he gets a debilitating stroke/heart attack.
Or a long painful death. Colon cancer is fine, anything that can’t be treated.
Last resort is assassination, not because I’m above such things or find it distasteful etc. I was, but not anymore. No, it’s because if that happens then it’ll probably be quick and painless. And that racist rapist kiddie fiddler doesn’t fucking deserve that mercy.Assassination would stop him from hurting people quicker than cancer. Even if he had a stroke that debilitated him he wouldn’t get impeached, he’d just effectively be a more obedient puppet.
Not to mention, assassination sends a message to his peers too. As much as I want him to suffer, I think a quick assassination would be more effective.
They’re arresting judges. Wake up. Take to the streets.
Guillotine
What a joke. Most can’t even be bothered to skip work.
Work is your entire livelihood in this country for most people. They have workers by the neck, daring you to step out of line so they can leave you to die on the streets. I don’t blame people for attempting to survive.
And ignoring your neighbors as well. As if those with extra couldn’t help those without so everyone can come together and fight your dictator. That’s the only way any of this works and history has shown by far, bullets are the best and most often only way to depose a fascist. But you would have to help people you don’t know and that’s awfully socialist and goes against everything you have ever been told by your government and oligarchs.
Organization would solve many of these problems but if you never go out and meet like minded people with the same goals how do you organize?
There aren’t many with extra at this point. The worker squeeze is at the max.
Then there isn’t a reason to continue living like that and the only way to change it is to force it or die in a camp. I am Canadian. I am also disabled. My family has nothing. I’d haul my cripple ass out there. I am now and my situation is vastly different then yours. Can I afford it, fuck no. When you have nothing already there are no more excuses.
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Obama pardoning the Bush admin for torture was seen as weak and pathetic at the time, and its worse now.
He should have thrown the book at Bush and co.
It would have been good if the Obama administration had at least walked back the massive erosion of freedom, civil liberty, and the breaches of international law that happened under Bush.
But it didn’t. No one has. Administrations from both parties seem to have kept it as a new status quo.
Obama should have done a lot of things. I’m happy he did Obamacare but man he could have been so much more. Such a wasted chance. And making Biden his VP was a catastrophic error. Biden sabotaged the shit out of everything he touched.
Obamacare despite the Republicans throwing the mother of all tantrums about it was such a weak half assed piece of legislation. It was literally a Republican policy before Obama stole it and rebranded it. What he ran on and promised was a proper single payer healthcare the same as the rest of the world has. What we got was a federal search engine for insurance policies and very minor guarantees of what those policies will cover (and even that small gain is increasingly in danger of being removed).
Obama was one of the least offensive presidents of recent memory, but that’s far from being a good president. He certainly did some good things, but not as many as his reputation would make you think.
It was literally a Republican policy before Obama stole it and rebranded it.
And before members of the democratic caucus nerfed it even further.
I would put him pretty high but that itself is sorta sad. Its like the last pope. I would like a world where there was cardboard cutout at the white house saying you have to be this competent to be president. In other words I wish that was the minimum level for a president rather than being one of the better one historically.
Did Biden really have that much influence? I think it can be hard to assess how influential a VP is/was.
I don’t think it’s so much about what he did as VP as much as the fact that his time as VP kind of set him up to run for president later.
Haven’t they already been doing this in Guantanamo?
Yes. A lot of the Trump stuff is building on existing violations of international law that started with Bush II and were continued by each subsequent administration.
They are being forced to bring prisoners/ witnesses back to the US. They need to have their ducks in a row.
According to President Donald Trump’s lawyers, the administration can simply wait until after an immigration judge has conducted the proceeding that ordinarily would determine whether a particular noncitizen may be deported to a particular country, and then, if that noncitizen is allowed to be deported, announce that the immigrant will be deported to some previously unmentioned country — even if that immigrant reasonably fears they will be tortured in that nation.
Shit. That is going to work. The SCOTUS will want to suck Trumps balls a little after telling him “no” 5-6 times … to make it up to him. I bet they are going to pass this.
We’re so fucked.
