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Stop fucking flying so much then. You could always put those planes on the ground, on tracks. Imagine that.
Do that many people not realise what condensation is?
Without even looking, lemme guess on which states.
Are they the shit holes with low education rates and high rates of rampant stupidity who suckle the teat of all the blue states paying for them but then complain about it?
Also states with very shallow gene pool…
shallow gene pool.
Bigfoot is not allowed at Thanksgiving. Him and frankenstein’s monster are still beefing.
As if something being real or not has ever mattered with regards to republicans trying to generate panic over a thing
The “chemtrail” conspiracy is particularly stupid. Like, you’ve got to put effort into your own duncefuckery to make the moronic leaps necessary.
“Jetliners are spraying mind control juice”
Uh huh, so, where on the jetliner is it stored? The belly is full of avionics and baggage compartment, the passenger compartment is full of seats, the wings are full of fuel, the tail has maybe a little void space, but enough to crop dust entire time zones? Can you show me any evidence of a jet aircraft equipped with such a dispersion system?
Oh they’re flying special flights just for this? Okay, can you show me such a flight that obviously isn’t what it says it is? There hasn’t been a single air crew, maintenance tech, parts supplier, chemical plant janitor, etc. come forward about any of this?
Oh it’s mixed straight into the fuel! Okay, so the Vote For Obama juice still works after spending hours to days dissolved in kerosene and PRIST, and then burned in a jet engine. Again, nobody anywhere in the fuel supply infrastructure has said anything about this. There hasn’t been a single Youtube video or Reddit thread about “what are my bosses pumping into the jet fuel?”
I guess they’ve also paid off all the chemical labs that analyze fuel, oil and other fluid samples. Because that’s a thing, aircraft mechanics take samples of engine oil and such and send them to labs for gas chromatography. It’s kinda cool, they’ll send you a report that says “We’re seeing elevated levels of tin and copper consistent with accelerated wear of the intake valve bushings.” Nobody has gotten a report back from a lab like that talking about exotic molecules ?
Why would you bother using jet airliners for this that fly extremely high? Some of the particles dispersed would outright NEVER land, some of them will drift hundreds if not thousands of miles before coming to rest in the ocean or a desert. Why not mix the Vote For Obama juice into diesel fuel to be burned by semi-trucks, down near the ground usually where you can find people? Or into automotive gasoline? Surely you could use much less of the chemical that way because it’s being burned so close to people.
Maybe that’s why Big They are so fucking keen to keep Republicans driving big gas guzzling micropenis trucks around? So that Republican areas get basted with Vote For Obama juice.
Oh, also: There’s tetraethyl lead in aviation gasoline. Added as an octane booster and anti-knock additive, it’s a POTENT neurotoxin that makes people stupid and asocial. The fuel pumps have a big sign on them saying as much. It shows up in those chromatography tests of engine oil…and in fact you can see it. A bucket of used aviation piston engine oil has a dull metallic sheen on the surface from the lead that didn’t make it out of the engine. It’s not burned in the quantities that we burn jet fuel, but piston-powered planes do fly lower and closer to civilization in most cases.
But you can’t care about any of that, you’ve got third generation fetal alcohol syndrome so you’re just scared of the lines in the sky.
Well…
There is this thing where maybe we could use jetliners to emit a little bit of sulfuric oxides, through their fuel.
The result of that would be a moderate amount of that in the upper atmosphere, which will reflect away some of the solar radiation, like that pollution did back in the 80s and 90s, lowering the global temperatures slightly, and with that the impact of the CO2 crisis that were in.
It’ll produce acid rains but that is the trade off they we might have to make.
tetraethyl lead - if used - is only for piston aircraft, not large commercial jets
“Jetliners are spraying mind control juice”
Not all jetliners. Just some.
Uh huh, so, where on the jetliner is it stored?
In tanks.
Can you show me any evidence of a jet aircraft equipped with such a dispersion system?
Why would you bother using jet airliners for this that fly extremely high?
Oh it’s mixed straight into the fuel!
No.
Truck exhaust blows away. They can’t see it anymore. Contrails linger for a while. They can see that.
They can see planes. They can’t see inside planes. Therefore, they can imagine anything they want inside because they can’t verify it themselves.
The things they can’t see anymore are gone. The things they can’t see into contain the worst possible scenario.
And that litter box in schools things for the kid identifying as a cat? The story is ALWAYS about someone else’s schools. They can picture a different school. They can imagine the worst scenario in there.
This whole political ideology is an exercise in failed object permanence.
Serious congratulations on typing an actual response to brain damaging shit like this. I couldn’t even get past a few sentences of this dipshit theory without just completely shutting down and moving on
dont listen to this guy. they’re in on it!
“We already knew that. The microchips are in on the lead in the fuel. The lead protects the chips from burning up in the engine. Why do you think they put metal in a fuel, huh?”
*Conspiracy theory shortcut happens *
Just today I learned that the fuel Cessnas use has lead in it, because the engines were developed when lead was in all gasoline and they have not found it worthwhile to certify all of those tens or hundreds of thousands of planes with new engines.
In fact, I was at a fly-in today and there were several Cessnas that were 60 and 70 years old. no unleaded fuel, and no added ethanol, either.
So in the specific case of Cessnas, the first Cessna 172 to require leaded fuel was built in 1977. That was the year they switched from a 6 cylinder Continental O-300 engine to that goddamn 4 cylinder Lycoming O-320 H2AD engine. Bigger displacement, two fewer cylinders, more compression, required leaded fuel.
I gave flight instruction in a new built light sport aircraft equipped with a Rotax 912 engine. Instead of Lycoming and Continental’s 1930’s era tech, BRP-Rotax’s aircraft engines are basically 1980’s motorcycle engines. Water cooled, Nikasil cylinder linings, electronic ignition, constant velocity carburetors or EFI, gear reduction, and they run absolutely fantastic on regular automotive gasoline. No lead.
Thanks for the additional information. Everything newer seems to be Rotax now. Except there was one guy who had a Corvette engine in his Cessna. Other pilots were talking about how it has so much torque his rudder isn’t big enough to compensate.
Hopefully in 5 or 10 years, everything will be electric!
I mean Rotax is kicking some ass, they’ve got a 160 horsepower engine now, weirdly enough out of the same displacement as the 912S. Imagine if they made a 6 cylinder variant, damn thing could make 300 horsepower easy.
I cannot think of a reason to use a Corvette engine in an airplane other than “fuck it.”
It’s an issue with machining tolerances of block/cylinder/piston/piston rings, older planes need lead to reduce the piston knock or it could damage itself. Modern engines have much tighter tolerances, but it would mean essentially rebuilding or replacing the whole engine on every piston engine plane. It would be great if we could phase out leaded Avgas but it won’t be going anywhere anytime soon
False! The industry is phasing out leaded gasoline in 2030. California signed a ban on leaded gasoline after 2031 into law. There are some aircraft out there that I wonder what’s going to happen, but a lot of the GA fleet is going to be well supported.
In addition to that, there’s an expansion of the light sport rule in the works which should allow most of general aviation to advance past the 1970’s.
I knew we were moving away from it but didn’t know Cali set a date, thanks for the info. I imagine there will be a big market for grease monkeys to put all this in place
There’s gonna be a lot of pencil whipping by A&Ps I think. If I understand correctly, the way they’re gonna deal with it is roll out a high octane lead-free fuel that just works, so most of the mechanic’s job is going to be putting new stickers next to gas caps and signing logbooks.
Let me get this straight. They are going to outlaw… water condensation. They are literally the grandpa from The Simpsons yelling at the clouds. Because chemtrails are basically just clouds. It’s just water vapor from the airplane engines condensing in cold atmosphere at high altitudes. Because it’s cold up there. They know it’s cold up there, right? Right? Imagine being a grown fucking adult and not knowing how this shit works. Go out in the winter and breathe with open mouth. You’re now breathing out chemtrails. you fucking dumbasses.
Ban dihydrogen monoxide!
Scientists have shown that those who come in contact with dihydrogen monoxide have a 100% fatality rate. Every single person that has come in contact with it dies.
It’s in all the food you eat! Big Food lobbies to protect their profits by using it in food production!
The real tragedy is the pollution. While there are areas of the world that are generally safe from dihydrogen monoxide in the environment, in my area there are literally rivers of the stuff with regular exposure to the air we breath.
It’s also extremely prevalent in areas of high humidity, further compounding sweaty asscrack syndrome.
Swamp-ass is real - raise awareness!
In all major US cities since the 1970’s that have a river in the downtown area, the percentage concentration of dihydrogen monoxide has been increasing! We keep finding more and more of it in parts per million in our river water. At what point will someone in our government stand up for us and say this is enough?!?
No no, you see, chemtrails look and behave exactly like contrails. They’re entirely, completely, 100% indistinguishable from contrails. So now that theyve banned them, you can be sure that all those trails you see in the sky are pure contrails and you’ve got your local Republican politician to thank for it!
Its definitely not just that they want an easy win without actually having to do anything, do not look at the man behind the curtain!
See the problem is you’re using logic and reason backed up by facts. They need to hear loud buzzwords from talking heads.
Well technically not just water they also contain some chemicals from the exhaust. Ironically those same people don’t mind exhausts from cars or coal power plants.
Airliners don’t burn lead and that some bit of chemicals disperses at 30,000 ft. Bubba McSisterhump in his diesel pavement princess chooching up a giant cloud of black smoke directly in your face…somehow cool and owns the libs
These people are fucking exhausting
Well if you can see condensed water vapor in open air, it’s most likely nucleating around something. And that something is probably the combustion products from the jet fuel. I don’t know exactly what those are, but burning a lot of other things can produce a whole host of compounds including Polyaromatic Hydrocarbons (PAHs) that can be rather carcinogenic. And that pollution most likely settles somewhere on the planet surface eventually.
As takeda said in another comment, it might not be worse than more local sources like cars or trains or power plants, but it’s very unlikely to just be water, and probably not healthy.
I’m not saying it’s a deliberate spread of chemicals and it’s certainly not the mind control nonsense that conspiracy lunatics think. No, most combustion products are just waste with no real use. But calling it “just water” or “harmless clouds” can’t be entirely right unless you believe carbon atoms can just disappear.
The logic behind chemtrails is that evil governments or the rich Illuminati elite are intentionally spraying specific chemicals to control population. If argument was ecological impact of burning fuel, then we’d have to ban airplanes, not chemtrails. But that’s not the argument.
Also it’s not water droplets or vapor, it’s most likely crystalized water vapor or droplets. Commercial airplanes fly at around 10km above ground and temperatures can get very low, we’re talking -40°C. It’s literally those videos where someone throws a pot of hot water up in the air outside during cold winter. It instantly turns into a white mist. Hot jet engines, cold atmosphere, burned fuel and vapor during combustion, would you look at that… CHEMTRAILS!
Not to mention weight is incredible luxury metric on airplanes. If conspiracy people think commercial airlines would carry half the fuel on board and replace other half with chemicals for chemtrails, because reasons, yeah, they don’t do that. They actually rather not even fill the fuel tanks all the way if it’s not necessary for the flight and rather do it when airplane touches at the destination and they refuel it there. Because carrying additional weight consumes more fuel, even if that weight is the fuel itself.
Also all the CO2, clearly we should be banning these flying machines from spreading mass quantities of weather changing chemicals in our atmosphere.
At least eight states, including Florida and Tennessee, have now introduced … legislation to prohibit “geo-engineering” or “weather modification”
So, nothing to do with chemtrails and specifically addresses geo-engineering and weather modification. Cloud seeding is a thing and dispersing particulates to reflect sunlight has also been much discussed. These states simply don’t want it happening in their state.
"Fesi testified on the Senate floor April 28 during debate over his bill that he believes “certain agencies within the federal government are doing cloud seeding and geoengineering.” In an interview Friday, the senator was asked what evidence he had to support his claims.
“Look up in our sky,” Fesi answered.
In an interview, Fesi later said he sees “just tons and tons of cloud seeding” above his backyard and described it as “all of the stripes across the skies.”
https://lailluminator.com/2025/05/19/weather-modification-bills/
These bills are fueled by conspiracy theories and idiocy.
There’s companies openly doing this already. One idiot not being able to cite it doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Stop gaslighting people.
The point was not about if it was happening or not. It’s about how these examples are used as fodder to keep the conspiracies flowing about chemtrails.
If you mix just the right amount of conspiracy with a little bit of fact, you get to keep all the votes from the crazies. It’s super easy to use big words like “geoengineering” and twist them to imply that hormones are mixed with jet fuel.
The point was not about if it was happening or not.
The title of the article literally claims it’s not happening, which is false.
The title of the article is referring to “chemtrails” as false. (You are blocked now too. So no point in responding.)
The invocation of chemtrails was specifically on the part of the author of the article. If you actually read the details, the laws are restricting geoengineering.
And it’s worth commenting so your ignorance doesn’t stand for anyone else reading.
This is, unfortunately, the same observation I’ve made in all the chemtrail-beleiving people I know. I zig in discussion, they zag, I realize they’re taking small-scale cloud seeding operations as proof of both contrails being chemtrails and, often enough, humans fueling hurricanes for the leftist agenda. These people also tend to deny human ability to affect the planet’s climate. The underlying logical interpretation of these states’ bills is exactly why they’re upheld, meanwhile, their constituents are still thinking about contrails.
They mix the mind control chemicals straight into the jet fuel. The pilots don’t even know they are complicit in making chemtrails.
/s
I almost put this here, but the last part ruined the joke :/
Wait, I thought it was the government that was putting the chemicals in the trails in the first place, and now their making their own actions illegal?
Well, that’s the federal government and these are state governments. Of course not THIS federal government, they mean the other federal government, the shadow government. You know the one that disobeys laws, kills millions of people for financial gain, covers up the pedofilia and drug problems of their membership, ignores the Constitution, and is trying to change the world for their own benefit? Well not that one, the other one that tries to keeps everything functioning, root out corruption, and write rules to try and protect people. THAT shadow government. It’s evil dontchaknow and these new laws will definitely show them that the states won’t stand for it any more!
*offer not valid in blue states, like “The People’s Gay-public of Drugifornia”
Are they also going to make witchcraft a felony?
As a way to oppress women? They might give it a go.
https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-165-35/
New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 165.35 Fortune telling
Current as of January 01, 2024 | Updated by FindLaw Staff
A person is guilty of fortune telling when, for a fee or compensation which he directly or indirectly solicits or receives, he claims or pretends to tell fortunes, or holds himself out as being able, by claimed or pretended use of occult powers, to answer questions or give advice on personal matters or to exorcise, influence or affect evil spirits or curses; except that this section does not apply to a person who engages in the aforedescribed conduct as part of a show or exhibition solely for the purpose of entertainment or amusement.
Fortune telling is a class B misdemeanor.
https://codes.findlaw.com/pa/title-18-pacsa-crimes-and-offenses/pa-csa-sect-18-7104.html
Pennsylvania Statutes Title 18 Pa.C.S.A. Crimes and Offenses § 7104. Fortune telling
Current as of January 01, 2022 | Updated by FindLaw Staff
(a) Offense defined.–A person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the third degree if he pretends for gain or lucre, to tell fortunes or predict future events, by cards, tokens, the inspection of the head or hands of any person, or by the age of anyone, or by consulting the movements of the heavenly bodies, or in any other manner, or for gain or lucre, pretends to effect any purpose by spells, charms, necromancy, or incantation, or advises the taking or administering of what are commonly called love powders or potions, or prepares the same to be taken or administered, or publishes by card, circular, sign, newspaper or other means that he can predict future events, or for gain or lucre, pretends to enable anyone to get or to recover stolen property, or to tell where lost property is, or to stop bad luck, or to give good luck, or to put bad luck on a person or animal, or to stop or injure the business or health of a person or shorten his life, or to give success in business, enterprise, speculation, and games of chance, or to win the affection of a person, or to make one person marry another, or to induce a person to make or alter a will, or to tell where money or other property is hidden, or to tell where to dig for treasure, or to make a person to dispose of property in favor of another.
(b) Advertising as evidence.–Any publication contrary to this section may be given in evidence to sustain the indictment.
© Competency of witnesses.–Any person whose fortune may have been told shall be a competent witness against the person charged with violating this section.
Looks like today it sits in misdemeanor territory.
Was just in Salem recently, today’s witches have sleeve tattoos and know how to fight so good luck
I mean… I wouldn’t rule it out at this point.
Florida, Tennessee, and Louisiana are named for working to outlaw chemtrails in the article. Articles like this should be required to list things they have already indicated exist in a small, closed set like this. I want a list of states! Or at least their abbreviations.
Airlines should stop flying to or over these states, to comply with the law.
I freaking knew Louisiana would be in it
You get the government you deserve.
How it used to be a fringe thing we can laugh at and dismiss, at a time when scientific documentaries were also entertaining and enlightening.
Geoengineering is absolutely real, and companies are already actively engaging in it.
Don’t be so enthusiastic to shut down conspiracy theorists that you make an equally ignorant claim on the other side of the argument.
I am alarmed at the number of confidently stupid comments in this thread. Obviously didn’t read the article, nor bother to look into the claims. Just ignorant and reflexive denial. I’m not saying I support banning geoengineering (though we do need it strictly regulated), but you all sound just as stupid as the conservative conspiracy theorists saying they’re doing this to turn people gay or some shit.
I really wish people would stop using the existence of geoengineering to offer credence to chemtrail conspiracies. The link you provided has nothing to do with the contrails that we see in the sky every day. You can get binoculars or a high zoom camera and see that the contrails originate just aft of the exhaust nozzles. The 850°C engine exhaust mixes with the freezing cold -50°C air and condenses. In a four engined plane you’ll see 4 trails, in a twinjet you’ll only see two
I really wish people would read the articles they’re commenting on. If you did, you’d know this isn’t talking about contrails. This is specifically about geoengineering.
It seems fairly obvious based on other articles talking about this that the legislation originates from chemtrail conspiracy theories and not actual geoengineering. I will quote some parts
Louisiana Rep. Kimberly Landry Coates stood before her colleagues in the state’s Legislature she warned that the bill she was presenting might “seem strange” or even crazy.
Coates described situations that are often noted in discussions of “chemtrails”
As she urged lawmakers to ban the unsubstantiated practice, she told skeptics to “start looking up” at the sky.
“I’m really worried about what is going on above us and what is happening, and we as Louisiana citizens did not give anyone the right to do this above us
Such bills being crafted is indicative of how misinformation is moving beyond the online world and into public policy.
Chemtrail believers often call chemtrails “geoengineering” as a means of giving their conspiracy theories some credibility. That’s not to say geoengineering isn’t real. I’m saying it’s a term that conspiracy theorists have appropriated to talk about chemtrails without actually mentioning the word chemtrails
Conspiracies tend to have a grain of truth, that gets exaggerated to allow the idea to be ridiculed.
You can tell it’s working by the number of conservative closeted homosexuals who are trying to regulate genitals with federal force
Off your meds today? Chemtrails ≠ geoengineering.
See? Another confident moron who didn’t even read the article.
At least eight states, including Florida and Tennessee, have now introduced chemtrail-coded legislation to prohibit “geo-engineering” or “weather modification”.
Weather modification has been in use since Vietnam.
And? Banning it outright is ridiculous, but absolutely we shouldn’t be letting any company who feels so compelled to geoengineer without oversight.
