Umm have you followed the Canadian Green party in recent years? I don’t think I’d trust them to organize a bake sale, let alone a federal government. Just being ideologically correct sure ain’t enough to be government.
The whole “let’s vote with the Cons to take the carbon tax off all home heating” is a big red flag.
The Liberals fucked up with their exemption. And the NDP leadership seemed to think doubling down on the fuckup was reasonable.
The right approach would be doubling down on incentives to get people off heating oil (as the Liberal proposal does), rather than undermining climate policy.
Ehhhhhh, poll numbers as bad as they are, I’ll take whatever compromise helps keep the Cons out of power.
The way I see hit, small concession -> better chance at another Lib/NDP government to enact more climate change policy. As the alternative is watching the Cons burn the planet to the ground, I’ll take that compromise. I don’t love it but I also don’t love the fact so many people are ready to vote Con. Sadly, I don’t get to choose the world I’m in, just how I react to it.
My understanding is that the exemption is for homes heated with oil. The 13% to which you are referring includes ALL buildings and ALL heating methods (gas, electric and oil.)
So that concession is much smaller.
And of course, even if the concession were for the entire 13% who do you think will cut emissions more next government, a Liberal/NDP coalition (or either on their own) or the Conservatives?
The 13% is for heating homes through any means. The current exemption is for oil (8% of homes). The exemption that the conservativesproposed and NDP supported is for all heating. I’m not quite sure how commercial and industrial buildings are effected by this so that’s a good point., and of course our electricity isn’t 100% green yet.
At least as far as I can tell, the 13% is for all buildings, not just residential. From the article:
Buildings make up another major source of emissions. Greenhouse gas emissions from buildings accounted for 13 per cent of Canada’s total emissions in 2021
But the larger point is that even if this exemption were for the entire 13%, as recent polling has the Conservatives winning a majority I’d say any of that exemption is worth keeping the Conservatives out of power, if only so the climate has a fighting chance. That exemption would hurt a lot the environment a lot less than the “drill baby drill” motto of the Conservative party.
With the Liberals being the status quo. NDP would actually move the government left (out of centre, but not by much). Greens need to be able to have a consistent message across their party to be taken seriously. Something they lacked in the last election.
The fact that they are anti-nuclear, when safe nuclear reactors that produce almost no radioactive waste exist, make the Greens a complete non-starter for me.
Solar and wind are great, but they still don’t hold a candle to nuclear’s reliability and consistency of power output.
Electing the Greens with a majority would be a start…
Umm have you followed the Canadian Green party in recent years? I don’t think I’d trust them to organize a bake sale, let alone a federal government. Just being ideologically correct sure ain’t enough to be government.
Even just the NDP would probably be a step in the right direction.
Hell, I’ll just be happy if we avoid electing the CPC and smol PP.
The whole “let’s vote with the Cons to take the carbon tax off all home heating” is a big red flag.
The Liberals fucked up with their exemption. And the NDP leadership seemed to think doubling down on the fuckup was reasonable.
The right approach would be doubling down on incentives to get people off heating oil (as the Liberal proposal does), rather than undermining climate policy.
Ehhhhhh, poll numbers as bad as they are, I’ll take whatever compromise helps keep the Cons out of power.
The way I see hit, small concession -> better chance at another Lib/NDP government to enact more climate change policy. As the alternative is watching the Cons burn the planet to the ground, I’ll take that compromise. I don’t love it but I also don’t love the fact so many people are ready to vote Con. Sadly, I don’t get to choose the world I’m in, just how I react to it.
It’s not a small concession. As the article points out it’s Canada’s third highest source of ghg (13%).
My understanding is that the exemption is for homes heated with oil. The 13% to which you are referring includes ALL buildings and ALL heating methods (gas, electric and oil.)
So that concession is much smaller.
And of course, even if the concession were for the entire 13% who do you think will cut emissions more next government, a Liberal/NDP coalition (or either on their own) or the Conservatives?
The 13% is for heating homes through any means. The current exemption is for oil (8% of homes). The exemption that the conservativesproposed and NDP supported is for all heating. I’m not quite sure how commercial and industrial buildings are effected by this so that’s a good point., and of course our electricity isn’t 100% green yet.
At least as far as I can tell, the 13% is for all buildings, not just residential. From the article:
But the larger point is that even if this exemption were for the entire 13%, as recent polling has the Conservatives winning a majority I’d say any of that exemption is worth keeping the Conservatives out of power, if only so the climate has a fighting chance. That exemption would hurt a lot the environment a lot less than the “drill baby drill” motto of the Conservative party.
It’s ABC.
With the Liberals being the status quo. NDP would actually move the government left (out of centre, but not by much). Greens need to be able to have a consistent message across their party to be taken seriously. Something they lacked in the last election.
It’s sad that we all seem to have so many levels of “ah hell, I’ll take that then” mental compromises.
The Canadian Green Party is not fit to govern a country.
the green party isn’t fit to govern themselves
Which puts them squarely in line with the other contenders so what is your point
Quiet.
The fact that they are anti-nuclear, when safe nuclear reactors that produce almost no radioactive waste exist, make the Greens a complete non-starter for me.
Solar and wind are great, but they still don’t hold a candle to nuclear’s reliability and consistency of power output.