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The face that shot a hundred Nazis.
Directed by Quentin Tarantino.
Please don’t. I know Hollywood and it will become.somr over dramatized turd piece that has little to do with what actually happened
…because she was a child soldier. She was doing this aged 14.
We tend not to glorify tales of the WW2 where war crimes were committed.
We do tend to do tales of tragedy though. She was the victim on two different counts, as well as being the hero (recruited as a child soldier, and defending against hostile invasion. Heroic for shooting Nazis).
Depicting someone defending against the bad guys while being taken advantage of by the good guys and meanwhile shooting pedophile Nazis feels like a shoe in.
Also, it wasn’t technically a war crime at the time. The conventions around not using child soldiers are shockingly recent. Was still a bad thing to do, but only by modern standards.
We also tend to glorify war crime stories depressingly often, so I’m not sure that point even stands.So Kick-Ass it, make it about her going and out killing these SS pedos who are following a 14 year old into the woods.
And we totally do, look at Inglourious Basterds.
Inglorious basterds is fiction.
Because they can’t make her movie character older than what it was?!
Then it isn’t her story.
Of course it is, you don’t have to be exactly accurate
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Child soldiers are fine in ww2. They weren not brown people fighting for their lives. They were white people.
You know that people speaking out against child soldiers aren’t condemning the children, right? They’re condemning the people who take advantage of them.
That’s sort of why most criticism is directed towards warlords and drug cartels.
Really wasn’t a situation that needed race injected into it, particularly when no one was saying that white child soldiers are somehow okay.
So they condemn the Brits and Americans for using child soldiers to fight Germany?
I don’t know how often discussions of the issues with child soldiers focus on discussions of historical instances, since caring at all is a relatively modern phenomenon, but I don’t think I’ve heard people speak positively of it.
I don’t think the US used child soldiers though, even in the home defense category the ones who did did.
To my knowledge neither axis nor allies engaged in the coercive type of child military service most condemned today.I don’t think anyone is on the pro-child soldier side of things like you seem to be implying. Like all bad things there’s a gradient. Abducting children, giving them drugs and guns and using them as canon fodder is far worse than equipping them as part of a civil defense force, which is worse than allowing enlistment at 16 rather than 18.
To my knowledge neither axis nor allies engaged in the coercive type of child military service most condemned today.
Nazi Germany was drafting kids in the early teens by the end of the war. Japan was planning on it.
Well gross. I had only known they got as far as the civil defense force, not that they were actually drafting for combat roles.
Fuck you with your attitude the same as the SS
Because she’s a revolutionary, and Batman is a billionaire defending the status quo. You can’t have people being inspired into revolution.
SS meaning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel
Quentin Tarantino were the heck are you with this?!?!
The main actress will definitely lead them through the forest with no shoes on.
He couldn’t think of a way to fit a scene focused entirely on the protagonist’s feet into the story.
He can even play a Nazi and suck on the lead actresses toes before being shot!
He is thinking about which movie is going to be his last ever movie
A few days ago Margot Friedländer died at 103. Her entire closer family died in the holocaust after the USA, China and Brasil denied then immigration visa. She, as a teenager, was able to hide for quite a while but was finally ratted out by a jewish Gestapo spy and deported to a concentration camp. She met her future husband in the KZ and immigranted to New York later on, living a regular life until her husband died in 1997. She then started to write and moved back to Germany in 2010 (as a 89 year old!) and visites countless schools to talk about her experiences with the students and received countless medals, prices and acclaim. She was pictured on the German Vogue magazine in 2024 and later on continued her speeches until two days before her dead - her last speech was at the celebrations for the end of the WW2 in Germany.
We need more motion pictures about people like her. Not about another billionaire superhero who is unable to work in a team to save the world.
Because she was real. And much more powerful. I had the honour to attend a event she spoke.
I would watch the ever loving hell out of an HBO series about this woman. They would make fucking millions too, and people would learn about a real hero. Triple W
Yeah. Make a fucking series about them. There are more than enough people that have a powerful story that is real, not fake, and who defied danger much more than any Superhero did.
Besides: They are incredibly powerful role models. Remember how many young woman admired Daenerys when GoT was popular?
Fritz and Hedwig Aub come to my mind - they supported hidden jews all over Berlin (Fritz was a doctor), often sacrificing their own food rations for them and were almost caught multiple times. Cläre Barwitzky saved 30 jewish kids in France. Lepa Radić was executed at age 17 by German troops after fighting as a partisan, refusing to give up her comrades name under torture.Before that she escaped a KZ like prison at age 15.
We need to make real world examples like Margot and all the others.
There are countless similar people. The Danish resistance who saved most Danish jews. The Italian partisans who fought both their own Fascism and the Germans. The French resistance. The Polish resistance had people who intentionally let themselves imprison in KZ, including Auschwitz, and escaped from there.
These stories need to be told. Which brings me back to Margot - she came back to Germany because she could remember that there were people that helped her, despite the consequences. That not all people were evil and that there is always something one can do to resist. Which is a message she found more important now than ever before.
TIL KZ stands for Konzentrationslager (concentration camp).
Truly a great British invention.
16-year-old seduces adult nazi to shoot him in the woods during military occupation is slightly less family friendly than Spiderman, at least from what I remember about Spiderman
At least, it would have been a nice side plot in “Inglorious Basterds”.
Oooh, a reference to her, even in passing, would’ve been neat.
“The Nazi bastards are on high alert. Soldiers keep going into the woods to bang some broad and end up banged themselves. Stupid fuckers keep going out there. I guess their dicks override orders”
I would argue that it is very family friendly if you aren’t a Nazi.
still not exactly the kind of lesson most parents are trying to get into when taking young children to the movies… like no doubt you’re right. But it’s a time and place thing not a is this lesson worth teaching thing.
Not if she says, “For Uncle Ben!” before pulling the trigger.
Why do movies have to be family friendly? I know that was the comparison, but there are so many movies meant only for adults that deal with war. Why not have a war movie with a female protagonist?
It’s gonna be the bedtime stories I tell my kids about.
perfect setup though. Most of the west would watch it thinking they were the heroine, not the nazi. And then maybe at the end you flip it and make them think about it a little.
What? The person killing nazis was evil and the nazis were the good guys that were murdered innocently??? Do you have alle Tassen im Schrank?
Uh, or you could have the nazis say a bunch of things that we are used to hearing from our own leadership.
Our own leadership are already quoting Nazis…
She’s like Dexter, the best kind of serial killer
They’d much rather you follow the legendary tales of Batman whose complex moral dilemma hinges upon not directly getting blood on his own hands even if it means keeping mass murderers alive to continue to terrorize the population.
Batman as a superhero is basically a libertarian wet dream: a defense contractor billionaire who may be complicit in all forms of mass violence but maintains the thinnest veneer of plausible deniability personally.
What’s hilarious is even in most of the fiction the libertarian wet dream of Gotham is a dystopian shit hole.
There’ve been Batman comics where he admits that he knows he could do so much more to improve Gotham than by beating up criminals but he’s fundamentally broken (to the point where he considers Bruce Wayne to be the alter ego of Batman rather than the other way around), so he just keeps punching things.
Yeah but like, he doesn’t do anything with that revelation. Realizing you’re part of the problem is only the first step, you have to actually follow through with more steps after that.
Too many different writers. Too many different ideas. If you take an established super hero character in too far any direction, you risk pissing off the fans. Really, you just shouldn’t be making adult stories with these characters because the moral dilemma start breaking down. Just be glad the editors didn’t let Frank Miller make Holy Terror about Batman like he originally wanted.
Yeah, ultimately, it’s a story for children to sell toys. Trying to make it “mature” was always going to produce plot holes and weird characterization.
Yeah if you want those in depth analysis type shit you usually have to go for the spin offs, mini series, and one shot comics. Red Son for example is a decent breakdown of Superman, since all it does is changes his outlook not his need or want to help people.
Yeah, while I like Batman to an unhealthy degree, I’ll never miss an opportunity to shit on what a horrible character he is.
Batman gets comic books and movies because he’s someone for us all to aspire to: being so rich and removed from reality that you don’t realize that you’re the creator of your own enemies. Being so fantastically wealthy that you can’t see how you’re causing a wealth gap that forces people to turn to crime so they can afford housing and food. Making it so that mentally ill people—who gain powers from desperate paid experiments, suffer workplace accidents due to poor worker’s rights, or birth defects due to proper healthcare inaccessibility—can’t access therapy and medication until they’re already labeled as criminals and are forced to be under the state’s care. And then he dresses up as a monster and beats the shit out of all of them at night. Batman and Bruce Wayne get comic books and movies because we applaud them for proving that they recognize that flattening the wealth gap will solve many problems by funding social services such as orphanages, but then missing the mark by privatizing what should be public services and funneling your largest donations through things like “charity auctions” and the ballet, an art form so removed from the lower classes that you beat the shit out of the poor just for showing up at a performance because they’re obviously unable to afford a ticket.
You wanna celebrate a woman who fucks a few monsters and then shoots them in the woods? That’s fine, but you gotta make a few minor changes: the woman has to be a man who is super strong instead of sexy, s/he needs to fight the disenfranchised rather than legitimately evil people, and they have to show their softer side by only permanently maiming these poor people instead of killing them. AKA, Batman.
He’s a great character of a horrible person; an anti-hero like Walter White or Hannibal Lecter. People like these characters because they give us a safe outlet for violent fantasies. They’re not completely without risk, however, because some people struggle with the boundaries between fantasy and reality.
I don’t think he’s aspirational at all however. He’s lonely and obsessive. He has many of the same mental health issues that his villainous rivals struggle with. The only difference is that he acts out his violent fantasies against criminals instead of the general public.
The only difference is that he acts out his violent fantasies against criminals instead of the general public.
I think this glosses over a bigger difference that lets his character off with a little less shit on him than he deserves: the only difference is that he can afford act out his violent fantasies against criminals. If beating up criminals paid the bills, I’m sure more of the criminals would do it. In fact, it’s so obvious that crime-fighting isn’t lucrative in Gotham, evidenced by the astounding number of dirty cops. The big baddies punch down on the general public because they can squeeze out money that way. The only reason Batman continues to get away with cosplaying as a villain is because the general public lets him get away with it.
Batman will have billions no matter who he beats up and he can afford privacy and security in his private life. If Batman tried beating up a villain and then went home to find out that someone killed Alfred to send a message and that Bruce Wayne couldn’t afford to feed himself, I’m sure it wouldn’t take long before his inner rage unleashed on some innocent bystander and he’d realize that beating up anyone feeds his violence addiction and that stealing money and food feeds his hunger.
And let’s not forget: these “criminals” are mostly people who were ostracized and desperate before getting caught on some charge that landed them in Arkham. When they were finally released, they were even more radicalized, unemployable, and destitute. If crime is their only perceivable career path, they can’t be faulted for that. And all of this begs the question: what kind of fucked up economy exists in Gotham that “villainy” is the second richest employer behind “self-employed billionaire bare-knuckle boxing bastard.”
I feel like Nolan’s Batman actually has moral dilemmas beyond the no killing rule.
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In Batman Begins, you can clearly see he doesn’t even like living as Bruce Wayne. When he sees his childhood friend Rachel and says “this is not all that I am. Inside, I am more…” or whatever he said, you could tell he felt embarrassed about flexing his billionaire lifestyle, which he was only doing because Bruce Wayne needed to occasionally be visible in society, otherwise things would get suspicious.
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He clearly realized that A) Law Enforcement and the DA’s office needed a lot of help in Gotham and B) He needed to help them arrest and prosecute people legally, rather than having himself, one rich dude, be judge, jury and executioner. This is why he cooperated with Jim Gordon
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In cases of particularly dangerous people like Ra’s Al Ghul, he committed manslaughter, potentially murder, because he knew they’d endanger more people otherwise. At the same time, I think he realized Ra’s Al Ghul had a bit of a point, that the rich and powerful had fucked Gotham up so bad it would almost be best to destroy it altogether. Still, he can’t agree with it because even letting it happen would mean the blood of millions of people on his hands.
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While he’s doing a lot as Batman, the Wayne foundation is trying to actually improve society - and while this is feeding into the old libertarian narrative that individuals doing charity is better than government spending to improve society, it becomes clear to him at some point that this is not really working either.
I do like how Nolan showed that most of the police department was dirty and couldnt be trusted. Spot on.
Until the third one, where it was a bit of an about face in cheering on the Gotham police
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Libertarian PD
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.
“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”
“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”
“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”
The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”
“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”
“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”
He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”
“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”
I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.
“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.
“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.
“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”
It didn’t seem like they did.
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”
Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.
I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.
“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.
Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.
“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.
I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”
He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”
“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.
“Because I was afraid.”
“Afraid?”
“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”
I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.
“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”
He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me.
If you want this in novel form, it’s essentially Phillip K Dick’s Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said.
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Two chance events prevented Gibson from succeeding: First, Mussolini happened to turn his head to look at a group of nearby students who were singing a song in his honor. This caused the bullet to graze the bridge of his nose rather than hit him square in the face. Second, though Gibson fired another bullet, it lodged in her pistol. By that point, she had already been dragged to the ground by a mob.
History’s really rhyming here.
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
-Benito Mussolini, 1932
they don’t call him mango mussolini for nothing
Let’s hope the parallels continue.
i don’t know, I’ve always found it sad that this was done after he was killed.
Still, his death wasn’t peaceful.
good! I think the various religions really steered us all wrong when they told us to not seek vengeance. Sounds like a message designed by people who are due a lot of vengeance.
Because the superhero movies are thinly veiled propaganda for billionaire exceptionalism. Empowering the average person is disruptive to your peasant caste you’re not allowed to talk about openly. It is such an engrained cultural taboo you can’t even register what I am saying as real, despite it being so obvious that there are classes of people completely disassociated with life as you know and live it. The only exceptional people are the exceptionally greedy and exceptionally unethical. Ms. Oversteegen is a hero like Luigi, someone that stands above our station in life. Such stories are not told or popularized much at all.
There’s one ad I saw where someone asks one guy riding a fancy car, “So what’s your super power?” and the guy replies with, “Being rich” and the immediate cuts to epic action scenes. Just a tiny bit on the nose. 🙄
Empowering the average person is disruptive to your peasant caste
Interestingly enough, I think it’s more useful to make people want to be and believe they can be rich. They’ll actively defend the wealthy if they see them as future peers. I mean, I think that’s why even lowly MAGAts defend tax breaks for the rich even if very few of them make over 100k.
That’s Batman’s superpower. Affleck is the Batman that says it.
His wealth increases every incarnation, essentially his wealth implied to be extreme, even by our standards. And one of the things he’s constantly questioned about is if his funds are going to things that have real outcomes.
He, himself, is a vigilante capable of forensics that police are unwilling or unable to do. And throughout the comics, at least the modern ones, it often talks about how his lawlessness is a problem, and his approach at crime fighting is entirely flawed and has extreme consequences for only adhering to his line of never killing.
To say that comics are thinly veiled propaganda is of billionaires is disingenuous to the entire medium. It would like be calling sci-fi thinly veiled propaganda that the elite consists of scientists making up words.
To say that comics are thinly veiled propaganda
Oh, not at all! The civil rights underwriting for all the comics is unmistakable.
My comment was more about the video ad alone and how egregious it was and yet everyone down in the comments ate that up. I felt so uncomfortable reading them.
Comics can also be empowering to the downtrodden.
Cause people with money tend to side with Hitler types.
Hard to draw out repeatedly flirting with nazis and killing them
The movie would suck as they try to tie in a love interest and plot
… fuck me they’d humanize one of the Nazis
… you do realize Nazis were humans, right?
This is literally one of the most important lessons from Nazism. That anyone, any normal human, loving father, mother, son, can become a monster if the circumstances are right.
God, no wonder fascism is on the rise again if the lessons of it were forgotten.
Maybe the the wrong word. Maybe they should have said they would make one sympathetic?
I’m not sure. That could actually be a nice Idea.
Make the audience sympathise with the Nazi, maybe even identify with him. Then show his gruesome actions. All while having him remain being a wonderful father/brother/whatever.
This stark contrast, this shock might help them realize that everyone, even them, are prone to falling for fascism and cause them to think about their relationship with this most gruesome of ideologies. It might show them that Nazism doesn’t come from the outside and occupies the country but that instead it comes from the inside, form ourselves, our neighbours and our family members, whom we never would think it possible of.
Or, because the US has shit media literacy, they come away thinking “see? Nazis weren’t monsters after all” and go to their next rally.
The only reason the “nazis weren’t monsters” narrative is still alive and well is because we broadly didn’t show them as humans who made stupid, horrible mistakes from the very beginning. We didn’t drive home the point that your ignorance is still deserving of the harshest of consequences. We are too afraid of offending someone or making someone feel bad for being dumb that we have allowed ignorance to have as much value as virtue.
The only reason we have people being led astray by people like Trump and Kanye and his ilk right now is because we are all so scared to show moral complexity and human vulnerabilities that we painted nazis like cartoon bad-guys. Which some were, sure, just like there are cartoon bad guys right now pushing millions of otherwise normal, if not ignorant, people to support horrible ideas.
Why are we so afraid to show that letting yourself be led into horrible ideas can still earn you a hangman’s noose or whatever the modern equivalent is?
I get your argument, but take the recent Dune movies. Paul Atreides is meant to be a subtle villain. Most viewers simply never realised that at all.
Man in the High Castle did this well
I’m struggling to keep watching mid season 3. Should I push through to the end?
I didn’t struggle to finish the series however the last season was better than the third season in my estimations
Worth it.
Good. They should make them seem as human and sympathetic as possible, show the entire slide of emotional manipulation that made otherwise normal people adopt a narrative and made them believe themselves doing right and good as they did atrocities or stood by while their leaders and peers did atrocities.
And then kill 'em anyway. Because there are consequences for being dumb, and we don’t show that enough.
That would work for people like you or me. Unfortunately, there seems to be a mass of people who have no idea how to make the distinction that surface level niceness means nothing, and mean people can be mean for good reasons.
Im pretty sure between middle school and undergrad I had to learn about the Stanford prison experiment no less than 15 times. Im surprised more people dont consider that aspect of psychology
God, no wonder fascism is on the rise again if the lessons of it were God, no wonder fascism is on the rise again if the lessons of it were forgotten.
… first off wow my dude kinda aggro, but what about the lessons of language?
to make something more pleasant or suitable for people; to make something more humane
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/humanize
They should. And then kill 'em anyway.
That is the lesson we all needed to learn and ignored. They were humans, they thought they were good and doing right.
We are all equally vulnerable of falling into human biases and ignorance and doing horrific things if we allow people in power to manipulate our emotions. We need more stories about relatable, understandable humans doing absolutely fucked up shit because they went along with the narratives and then facing consequences for it.
There’s plenty to go on. It’s not like they had no life except flirting with and executing nazis.
Excerpt from the wp page:
During World War II, the Oversteegen family hid a Jewish couple in their home.[3] Freddie Oversteegen and her older sister Truus began handing out anti-Nazi pamphlets, which attracted the notice of HaarlemCouncil of Resistance commander Frans van der Wiel. With their mother’s permission, the girls joined the Council of Resistance, which brought them into a coordinated effort.[2]Freddie was fourteen years old at the time.[3][4]
Oversteegen, her sister, and friend Hannie Schaft worked to sabotage the Nazi military presence in the Netherlands.[5] They used dynamite to disable bridges and railroad tracks.[6] They also smuggled Jewish children out of the country or helped them escape concentration camps.[2]
The Oversteegens and Schaft also killed German soldiers, with Freddie being the first of the girls to kill a soldier by shooting him while riding her bicycle.[1][5] They also lured soldiers to the woods under the pretense of a romantic overture and then killed them.[1][5]Oversteegen would approach the soldiers in taverns and bars and ask them to “go for a stroll” in the forest.[2][5]
Hard to draw out repeatedly flirting with nazis and killing them
Would you need to? Watching someone repeatedly kill stupid horny nazis doesn’t seem like it would get old.
I would do a super cut of every Nazi death and loop it.
Just gonna point out that she shot them.
So I’m thinking something along the lines of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxTtbHmCNiQ
