• Reddfugee42@lemmy.world
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    You are not getting out of this by voting ALONE,

    #but you still must also vote, at EVERY CHANCE

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    I’m very disappointed with Biden’s administration for not charging more people in Trump’s first term for the crimes they committed. They didn’t face any consequences the last time and will now be completely off the rails. Now we have a second Trump administration with most of the same people that now know they can get away with anything.

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      The problem is that US democracy consists of voting for either a conservative party (Democrats) or a fascist party (Republicans).

      When the conservatives are in power they care most about preserving the appearance of legitimacy of institutions and they don’t do anything like arresting politicians or stuffing the supreme court even though it would strengthen democracy.

      Then the fascists get in and destroy everything anyway.

  • DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Soap box

    Ballot box

    Ammo box

    If they deny the midterms, overturn the results or refuse to acknowledge their loss, that is the natural next step. People still believe in the power of popular sovereignty

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      Probably Canada I assume, given the debate is today.

      Though continuing mass immigration to fill a labor shortage caused by QE and the phillips curve is not helping the poor, you cant pretend to help the poor while pushing up asset prices for the rich. Calling anyone questioning immigration a racist is a neat trick by progressives to justify UN defined slave labor.

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    Oh, I see the psyop is hard at work already. “No, don’t vote, it’s useless, don’t even bother, leave it to those suckers who are doing this stupid ineffective voting thing. Oh, they have all the power all of the sudden? Who knew, no idea how that happened”

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      Don’t badjacket. Just because we don’t believe in the electoral farce doesn’t make us a paid actor.

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        That’s true, some people repeat the same points for free. This is also bad, it leads to bad outcomes.

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          100+ years of electoralism and you ended up in fascism anyway. Talk about bad outcomes.

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            Fascism, the ultimate form of antielectoralism, is winning, yes. And instead of fighting it, the most passionate groups of left-leaning people are obsessed with not doing the bare minimum to stop it.

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                Democracy works for whoever uses it. If you don’t use it, if you only let the worst parts of your country to use it, you get your electoralism.
                There is an alternative explanation to all of it, progressives being a small minority will also explain the situation.
                I let you to decide which is worse.

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                  The degree to which liberal democracy ‘works’ is dependent on the health of capital

                  The more capital fails, the greater chance democracy slips into populism because capital can no longer address the needs of the people and sustain its infinite growth. Populism either leans left (redistribution of capital towards labor) or it leans right (consolidation of capital toward an ‘in’ group to the exclusion of the out groups), but once capital has failed there’s really no returning to liberal democracy*.

                  *edit - until capital re-balances, but will trend toward collapse again

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                  in particular, it seems to work for whomever can get their districts more successfully gerrymandered.

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              Pretty much. The left can’t be bothered by pragmatism and is blinded by perfectionism. It boggles my mind how the political side who should be the go to for most of the population can’t make politics.

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                “the left”- you have no idea what is left or right. The left maybe have two proponents in the entirety of government.

                Edit: or->is

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                  Maybe not voting hurts the chances of not having more proponents in government. Think we found the problem.

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    Here’s your friendly reminder: “The. Majority. Of. Us. Don’t. Give. A. Fuck. What’s. Happening. In. Your. Country.”

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    Good thing they’ve got guns to stop terrorist organizations such as ICE. I’m curious when we’ll hear about them being shot at, or worse, though.

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    We could have. Since we didn’t I don’t care anymore and I resent the implication that because other people failed I have to keep toiling.

    I’m barely fueled by spite at this point. I mostly feel nothing. I just don’t care about shit anymore.

    But I also don’t seem to be deriving enjoyment from entertainment anymore either. So I’m still fucking here talking to you people.

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    No single thing alone will fix the world. Voting alone won’t fix it. Throwing a molotov alone won’t fix it.

    Voting (in many places, for many people) takes almost no effort. Go do it. But don’t call it a day and think you’ve done everything you can do. Refusing to vote just yields one of the many fronts in this conflict without a fight.

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      Yes throwing a Molotov won’t fix it. Throwing 30 million on the other hand…

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      the changes we need to fix things can’t be made by elected officials. if voting would do anything, it would have done something 20 years ago.

      direct action works regardless of who is elected. why do i even have to argue this, i thought this was an anarchist comm?

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      Voting (in many places, for many people) takes almost no effort

      The voting apparatus takes immense effort in fact. It takes so much effort that it’s almost all consuming for most nations during the election period and wastes thousands of human-workhours.

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        I meant the amount of effort it takes for the end user.

        If we’re going to talk about higher order levels of effort, then everything gets very expensive very quickly.

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          No, The point is that all that “higher order level” of effort is wasted on electoralism. It’s not wasted in direct action.

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            I’m not sure I follow. I was talking about what individuals should do: direct action and also voting. Voting is often just a few minutes for the end user.

            I’m not talking about what the state should spend resources on.

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              Voting is largely volunteer run. All that effort is wasted. Taking part in elections legitimizes that effort

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                Most people follow election results and those people’s actions have real, discernable, effects. If you yield on this front, even if you think elections are flawed, you’re letting your opponents have this power uncontested. That’s a terrible strategy.

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                  No, it’s a terrible strategy to waste any effort on elections. If that effort was put in direct action for prefiguration instead, it would not matter what your opponents did.

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            Exactly, voting exists to the detriment of any state that implements it. It costs the government billions of dollars. Once we create a socialist paradise, the first thing we should do is abolish elections to save money.

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                Money, work-hours, whatever. The only efficient and responsible way to run a socialist economy is with the firm grasp of a centralised authority. Voting doesn’t stop fascism, heroic dictators stop fascism.

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        Please keep in mind that “change the world” does not necessarily mean “for the better”, and I have no doubt these cretins are looking for their Reichstag.

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        True, true. Saint Luigi inspired people. But that alone didn’t fix the world, and it’s a very chaotic move.

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          There are so many murdering copy cats through history, who just wants to ride the coattails of some other psychos fame.

          Where are the Luigi copycats hiding? He got more love than any murderer through history, where are all the psychos who want to feel that?