So-called progressive calling for 17$ minimum wage by 2030. Insane that people love this guy
In 2016 he wanted $20 by 2020. Now after years of massive inflation in a completely symbolic act that will never pass he’s compromised down to $17 by 2030.
He’s compromising with nothing.
Insane that people love this guy
Because life is so fucked up and bad in the usa that any meager scraps are seen as good. And the mental part? The bill won’t pass. In 2030 the minimum wage will still be 7.25.
There may not be a minimum wage by 2030.
Peak political maneuver, promise progressive policies in 2030 and not have to deliver on them because your constituents will have died from preventable climate catastrophes.
Definitely more likely that we end up with indentured servitude. Thanking our actual land lords for the opportunity to work in their distribution warehouses and live in barracks behind said warehouses.
Yea people like this guy because even this weak bulkshit is infinitely more than virtually any elected poltican in the entire country.
In the land of the one eyed fascists the liberal is king.
It’s insulting at this point.
The “Fight for $15” movement started in 2012.
Edit - Cost of kicking the can…er “Being Pragmatic”
This isn’t even the true devaluation - just basic officially reported inflation.
The “Fight for $15” movement started in 2012
Oh you mean before 20% inflation after covid
Abandon liberalism Abandon social democrats
This shit is so weak
In some ways I’m glad there’s no successor to Bernie because people really need to realize there’s no fixing of the system from withinSurely AOC will be Supreme Sheepdog after Bernie dies?
Perhaps. She comes off more fake to me than Bernie, but then again I’m biased
I mean, she is/was doing the rallies with him to “stop the oligarchy” or whatever, which is funny because the Dems are part of the reason we have an oligarchy. AOC is already doing sheepdog stuff and becoming Bernie’s successor
It’ll most likely work as well. She’s popular with libs and normies.
She couldnt even spray eat the rich on that gala dress. “Tax the rich” oh what a display of defanged and PG radicalism.
disgraceful coward still won’t call it a genocide
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I’m a Republican and I’m GLAD that there’s NO WAY this will Pass ANYWHERE in the Republican Controlled Government! We DONT have the Tax Dollars to Do this EVEN THOUGH Elon Musk just CUT my Social Security and ELIMINATED Healthcare for my Son!
-Republicans EXCITED about Donald Trump’s $100MILLION Parade!
I’m a DEMOCRAT and I voted for a $15 minimum wage but
liebermanmanchinrepublicansthe PARLIAMENTARIAN said it couldn’t happen and I didn’t want to change the rules to make it happenBeing ironically liberal is still being a liberal. You can dunk on chuds without exposing your self to harmful forms of thought like this.
They don’t call him Bernie Panders for nothing
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No, it’s because he’s completely ineffective at making positive material change happen for the working class, and is extremely effective at supporting genocide.
Also
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How does Bernie support genocide? Do you have a solid explanation for that that doesn’t also implicate PSL for supporting genocide?
Bernie refuses to call a genocide a genocide and has stalled on this for months. Maybe once Israel decides to vaporize Gaza with a nuke he will feel comfortable enough to give “harsh words.”
You western bootlickers are such babies, surprised that your system isn’t democratic? Surprised you live in the North Korea you made up in your head to feel better?
Don’t forget Yugoslavia in the 90s.
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genocide is a legal term that’s defined by the UN in writing. To call it a genocide would mean being obligated to stop Israel legally. The only country that is currently following the law and enacting direct justice is Yemen, which is being bombed by Euro-USAmerican militaries.
And I’m not even going to engage
ok don’t then
He also kept sending them weapons but keep going off about how the PSL is somehow equally guilty while projecting your immaturity onto everyone
How does Bernie support genocide
Liberals screech that you’re a genocide denier if you call out the uigher genocide as bullshit and yet despite there being 1000x more evidence of genocide in Palestine, he refuses to call it genocide
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Are you a fucking moron? this is a rhetorical question, asking me this already told me that yes, you are
Not calling a genocide “genocide” or condemning the people committing genocide and, actually, siding with them against their victims, is “supporting genocide,” and your refusal to understand this (let’s be real, you’re capable, you’re just refusing) means you deserve to be thrown into a fucking pit head first
Not disagreeing, but moron is an ableist insult.
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Cool so now we have a guy accelerating the genocide and destroying the country.
And if the Democrats had won we would have a woman accelerating the genocide and destroying the country. Or are you really trying to gaslight us into believing the Democrats don’t also fully and unconditionally support Israel’s slaughter of the Palestinian people?
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exploring the deportation of American citizens
Uh bud, you might want to remember who started open extrajudicial killings of American citizens
Two sides of the same coin, one side being a bit worse
they’ve shown no interest in entirely depopulating Gaza and turnung the ashes into a beach resort
The democrats would not be attacking trans people
They would just be enforcing the laws that attack trans people
dismantling the federal government
You know, other than continuing the privatization of Medicare and the Post Office . . .
turning ICE into the gestapo
I guess putting deportations into overdrive doesn’t count
utilizing an El Salvador gulag
But I guess Guantanamo is fine to use as a gulag then
exploring the deportation of American citizens
Worse than just executing citizens extrajudicially?
the fucking trade war
But I don’t believe you are gaslighting. You are just confident in your ignorance. Maybe look stuff up before taking a position on it if you don’t want to come off like
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
No need to gaslight, they’ve shown no interest in entirely depopulating Gaza and the ashes into a beach resort
Because obviously the one thing you do if you don’t want to turn Gaza into a mass grave is send 14,000 tons of bombs to the government actively conducting a genocide against them, right?
They would even continue to support Israel, but they wouldn’t actively ask Israel to do worse things.
Oh well that makes it all okay then, doesn’t it?
And don’t you gaslight me. The democrats would not be attacking trans people, dismantling the federal government, appointing billionaires to run fake government agencies, turning ICE into the gestapo, deporting visa holders for their speech, utilizing an El Salvador gulag, exploring the deportation of American citizens, the fucking trade war. I could keep going. Democrats would not have done any of that, they would have maintained a mediocre status quo, maybe even restored abortion rights.
They’re also not lifting a finger to stop any of these things from happening, because their entire role is to be controlled opposition and rubber stamp everything the GOP does while pretending to be against it.
It’s like comparing a shit sandwich to a shotgun blast to the face. The obvious choice is the shit sandwich, but that doesn’t make it a good option.
They’re giving you a shit sandwich and letting the shotgun guy blast you in the face anyway. Stop defending the fucking Democrats, they don’t give a fuck about you and will never solve any of your problems.
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The other guy is annoying but possibly redeemable, you on the other hand belong in a pit with the nazis
Americans keep voting in corporate shills
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Ranked choice voting would not fix all this. Capitalists still own and run the political shell of our system. Until we have democracy by and for workers we have no democracy at all
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNQEHbusSA
Michael Parenti’s completely dead on accurate take on Bernie from 2015
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awww they got banned before I could dunk on them
Be realistic, demand the impossible
4 days 20 hour work weeks, 69$/hr
Is this the radical left?
math is woke
who killed it last timeFrom: We Must Raise the Minimum Wage to a Living Wage (2023)
The MIT living wage calculator estimates a living wage as a salary that is adequate enough to support a family without luxuries. For two working adults and one child, a living hourly wage for each adult would be $18.69 in West Virginia, $17.55 in South Carolina, $21.57 in Maryland, $20.01 in Utah and $19.33 in Wisconsin. Even in my own state of Vermont, the living wage is $19.58, more than $6 above the current state minimum wage.
So how does this stack up today, even though this was only two years ago.
State LW (2WA, 1C) 2025 LW (2WA, 1C) 2023 Total Change West Virginia $18.99 $18.69 +0.30 South Carolina $20.48 $17.55 +2.93 Maryland $25.11 $21.57 +3.54 Utah $22.86 $20.01 +2.85 Wisconsin $21.32 $19.33 +1.99 Vermont $26.26 $19.58 +6.68 (!) Just for fun, let’s see some historical information about Vermont’s living wage. We’ll pick an arbitrary starting year, let’s say, 2016.
Month/Year LW (2WA, 1C) as of Oldest Archive Change from Previous Year DEC/2016 $13.15 ?? OCT/2017 $13.79 +0.64 APR/2018 $13.93 +0.14 NA/2019 N/A N/A OCT/2020 $14.75 +0.82 DEC/2021 $17.34 +2.59 NOV/2022 $19.71 +2.37 NOV/2023 $19.58 -0.13 DEC/2024 $23.38 +3.80 APR/2025 $26.26 +2.88 The Federal Minimum Wage has seen in increase of $0.09/hour on average from 1938 to 2009 when it was last changed.
Vermont’s “Living Wage” calculation from 2016 to 2025 has seen an average increase of $1.31/hour.
This change to $17/hour in 2030 represents a $0.40/hour average increase since 2009.
The Poverty Wage for 2 Adults 1 Child in Vermont was $5.00/hour in 2016 and is currently $6.41, seeing an average increase of $0.15/hour per year. If that rate of change keeps up, the Poverty Wage could be as much as $7.23/hour by 2030.
All this to say, obviously, this doesn’t even come close to keeping up with a living wage for Vermont, and would likely not keep up for many states, and many would still feel as though they’re treading water. If he were to simply reintroduce his bill from 2015, it would be a more radical change in the minimum wage, which would have the wage at $17 as of 2023. However, in 2017 he tried again, which was shooting for $15 by 2024… Now here we are in 2025, shooting for $17 in 2030…
It’s almost like the window for this change is shifting more and more to the right…
stop doing math theres a freakin cheeto in the god dang white house!!! 15/hr!!! or do you want the cheeto to get a third term?!!
Pathetic.
$17 an hour would roughly align, assuming inflation doesn’t go through the roof in the next five years, with the value peak of the minimum wage in 1968 when inflation adjusted.
Which sounds nice, except when you consider that productivity has vastly outpaced wages since the late 60’s. If the minimum wage was adjusted to match productivity increases, it’d be in the $23-25 an hour range today.
It’s obviously not enough but it’s also completely performative.
Also he knows that it’s not going to pass, this is just messaging.
Now people who aren’t intentionally ignorant can correctly say “see, nobody from either party gives a shit they won’t even say they’ll raise the minimum wage to $17 5 years from now.”
There’s plenty to criticize him for but I don’t think him not going far enough for a bill that already has 0% to pass seems misguided. The fact that he’s still doing it at all when everybody knows it’s just performative bullshit and theres 0% chance it changes anybodys mind is more of a critique.
There’s plenty to criticize him for but I don’t think him not going far enough for a bill that already has 0% to pass seems misguided.
I think you’re right in that sense, but I think it is necessary to point it out to put it in context, that US politicians won’t even performatively act as if they would raise the minimum wage to a living wage.
For sure. Also it assumes that anything matters.
You can say “Here’s the bill I submitted to raise the minimum wage, here’s the roll where it says every single republican and most democrats voted against it.”
And the chuds would just laugh and say you have tds and the libs would explain why that was actually the smart pragmatic move.
