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    You can see it for yourself.

    Write a comment/post critical of china in any community from the lemmy.ml instance.

    For example about the Uyghurs or the mass surveillance or whatever is your topic of choice.

    See how much time it takes for them to ban you/remove your comment under their rule of “no xenophobia”.

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    As someone brand new to Lemmy I’m now learning a lot of horrible new info on myself based on arbitrarily signing up for a random instance.

    I didn’t realize I was supposed to psychically know about lemmy lore before ever using it.

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      there’s always going to be this stigma against .ml users due to how the .ml instance was formed and how the general userbase behaves.

      the good news is that you are always free to switch instances if you find out that you dislike the instance you are currently on. while your posts, comments, and “karma” won’t transfer, you can transfer everything else such as the communities you follow, your settings, and your blocklist.

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      FWIW, I left .ml after about a year (and around a month ago) because there were just enough threads shit flinging and just enough posts like below, and just enough people who would dismiss any argument based on seeing .ml that it annoyed the shit out of me.

      Not for how anyone at .ml ever treated me. (And FTR I’m not a communist)

      So I’d say how much you worry about it is up to you, but switching instances is also pretty easy.

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      Please understand that plenty of us do not judge people based on instance at all. I genuinely don’t care.

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      Just drop them like it’s hot, lose nothing of value. There is probably an instance local to your nation or you can use .world which is a generic nonspecific Lemmy except they defederate from Hexbear and Lemmygrad because those instances spam so much bot content trying to convince users to off their families and neighbors.

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      Just remember that a lot of people on here also used to be the most annoying redditors. Their opinions are worthless.

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      Most of us don’t judge users but we are internally vocal about our own social challenges.

      .ml is a big instances and people coming from the old web find such attractive, it feels like “the official one” we are well aware.

      The have been attempts to advertise avoiding those but were not exactly a well coordinated organization.

      Regardless the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power. Lemmy works best as many tiny servers organically building a network of content and ideas.

      All of Lemmy is accessible as long as your instance is federated (almost all) however some may defederate from those problematic big ones, limiting the posts you can see.

      You wont lose much by changing instance right now. There is no karma or rewards associated with your account. You can also make multiple on different instances with the same user name so you have a backup if your main instance goes down.

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          The main problem with centralisation

          If the majority of user and communities live on a the same instance, and that instance goes down or becomes to toxic to keep federated then fediverse loses a large chunk of its whole. While if it a tiny instances that dissapears only a few people and communities need to migrate.

          General i also think its beneficial if the owners of an instance are the same people from the communities its hosts. The role of general use instances should be more like a backup mirror

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          One example is the lemmy.ml problem. You see the rest of the Tankie Triad is pretty widely defederated from, but lemmy.ml isn’t despite doing much of the same things, just a bit more subtlety.

          Because lemmy.ml is such a big instance and has a few of the biggest comms (By subscribers only, which means a bunch of dead accounts boosting the numbers, by MAUs a much different story unfolds) many instances admins are hesitant to defederate from them

          Big instances carry too much power and influence and if you’re a toxic instance like .ml, it can be used to basically bully other instances into remaining federated with you

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        the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power.

        it’s not centralized, .world is considerably bigger and way more conservative, like it even has a splinter /c/196 populated with everyone who thought neo pronouns and basic levels of respect were too hard

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      Don’t worry much about your instance. .ml is fine, but Lemmygrad.ml in particular is a very strange place. Have a look if you want to read what non-religious people hostile to the United States/West think. Sometimes they make good points but they’re such fundamentalist assholes about everything.

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        tbf, if you’re not hostile to the US at this point, I’d seriously question your sanity. You don’t need to be a tankie for that.

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          Yeah even the biggest us global order defender libs have given up on the us.

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      You can always move to another instance. The instance I joined first is very lovely but they’re a bit heavy on defederation, so half of the comments are unavailable. It’s actually very nice, but fomo is too strong with me. When I feel depressed by humanity, I switch back to that one again and feel better, not seeing all the bullshit.

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      It takes nothing to create a new Lemmy account. And there are tons of instances that don’t have authoritarian admins.

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      The core community is mainly holier-than-thou FOSS types, and you’re surprised that it’s insular?

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      you accidentally joined a gang of fascist supporting scum.

      the answer is simple, join a different instance and abandon the pieces of shit.

      of course you don’t have to, but when someone calls you a “scumbag fascist supporting simp”, don’t get mad.

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    Went there first since I consider myself a leftist. Seen multiple thirstposts for Stalin and the likes: pretty picture with a popular quote. Comments all in the realm of “yes daddy”.

    I hate capitalism as much as the next guy, just don’t see a point of swapping it for an equally bad form of repression.

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    lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad users verbally fellate contemporary and historical autocratic mass-murderers they deem to be “leftists”, or “great leaders and allies to the cause”, most recently being Vladimir Putin, Xi Jingping, and Kim Jong Un.

    They are, in reality, bitch-made invertebrates who don’t even have the arm-strength to lift their Molotov-sippy-cups out of their premium-outdoor-brand backpacks, let alone form meaningful opinions on economics, political philosophy, or geopolitical reality.

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      Damn it all. They didn’t disclose how I was supposed to behave during the sign up process.

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        Yeah it’s a big trick because the ML owners are Tankie scum but they’re also the lead developers and I think the own the page which recommends instances.

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      So, tankies? At first I got attracted by the leftist/communist/socialist branding of the instance, but at the time the concept of fediverse was too complex for me when I first registered there so I deleted my account. I’m glad I did, then lol, supporting Putin, Xi, Kim just because they are “the left” is like supporting Hitler just because he is “the right”.

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      So I’m 100% on board with most of what you said but… What on earth does ‘bitch-made’ mean? It’s setting off my women-hating red flags.

      I googled it and scrolled down and got some garbage about a man raised by women, so I have concerns.

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        Bitch-made, in the literal sense, as in “of ill birth from a mangy female dog”.

        I have heard it used in common street language where I’m from from both men and women, gay and straight.

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          I appreciate your vehemence and the vigor with which you make your point, and also agree with your point. I only had issue with that particular insult because in my culture, it does initially read as misogynist. I figured I’d ask if you meant it that way because you probably didn’t.

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        I agree, I don’t particularly care about shitting on Putin or any other world leader, it’s the thinly veiled misogyny/whatever at ‘enemies’ broadly with people gleefully encouraging it which makes me respond negatively

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          Diva, we disagree on a lot of things, and we agree on others, which makes you (genuinely) so much fun for me to see in a thread.

          I just told people on another thread that (because of my trauma background) I don’t feel anger very often, which means I appreciate folks like you (and conversely, maybe, Rusty here) because I see you leap straight to it with abandon.

          I guess what I’m saying is, it takes all kinds to make a world, and I’m glad you’re in it.

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        Pound, check out Markdown syntax somewhere online. There’s a ton of different flavors, but most of the basics (headings/bold/italics/links/etc) are the same.

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          The asterisks work for italicized characters, but the c-squared(pound) sign didn’t. Maybe cause we’re on different instances?

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      hey look a post from a lib that’s so mad about internet forums not following the narrative that they can’t contain their homophobia and misogyny 📷

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        I’m gonna show your comment to my wife, and one of my best friends, at whose gay wedding, I will be speaking. Congrats! You’re in the speech! Let’s face it, we all need to laugh more in life, and judging by your reaction, I prefer to do it at your expense.

        So please, cry harder, because I need more material!

        🫶🏽🥂

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          ‘jokes on you, I have gay friends’

          -the person posting homophobia

          maybe you should read your comments first at your hypothetical wedding, see how it goes over.

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                Everybody hear that? All fellatio is automatically gay. Anybody recieving or giving is gay, there is no such thing as a straight man and woman using their mouth during sex.

                Follow Diva for more Kremlin certified intercourse tips, and if you don’t follow Putin’s demands you will be sent to labor camps.

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                  It’s true. Pretty sure I read that on an Andrew Tate post before I left Twitter, I believe he is some kind of gay authority?

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                  ML has the reputation it does because most westerners believe the red scare propaganda.

                  most arguments against it by the aforementioned people have a shaky connection to reality at best.

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                As I’ve said before, it doesn’t matter if you suck dick or not. It does matter whose dick your sucking (proverbially), which in this case would be Putin, Jingping, et. al.

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                  In the last year I saw way more people being supportive of genocidal libs like Biden and Harris, I judge those people pretty harshly too

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            maybe you should read your comments first at your hypothetical wedding, see how it goes over.

            I intend to! What a perfect moment to highlight the exploits of edgelords on the internet. I’m sure I’ll be strenuously heckled and ostracized for condemning and deriding supporters of Putin, the CCP, and the DPRK on the internet there.

            It’s in June, back home in Chicago, so it’ll be a joyous affair, of which you’re an expert of, no doubt.

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      More of this weird mythological fearmongering. Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist. You are pulling this assertion straight from an uninformed ass.

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          Ffs. Yes, supporting Russia’s invasion is a step too far. However, there is a valid point to be made regarding the West’s geopolitical maneuvers leading up to the invasion. NATO expanding east after promising not an inch further, supporting regime change in Ukraine, crossing more of Russia’s “red lines,” etc. Again, I want to stress that the invasion is morally reprehensible, but it’s clear why they did it from a geopolitical standpoint.

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            Nobody is talking about why Russia did what they did and realistically there’s nothing majorly wrong with NATO, it’s an alliance of mostly EU countries to band together to prevent another world war and to protect themselves from “another Germany” and Russia has done absolutely nothing over the past 20+ years to assure people that they won’t attack NATO EU countries. Quite the opposite in fact.

            In any case, I have them parroting Russia narratives/misinformation here: https://lemmy.world/post/27314050 here: https://lemmy.world/post/27012640 and here https://lemmy.world/post/27288224 shows censoring of people even merely express that EU is also right to be concerned of Chinese and Russian militaries on their front lawn

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              I agree there’s nothing inherently wrong with NATO, but I think you have some of the NATO basics wrong. NATO was very much an anti-Soviet and then anti-Russian alliance. There wouldn’t be a NATO if there wasn’t a Soviet Union, that’s not up for debate. Russia wanted to join NATO at one point, ffs. Russia has done a lot fairly recently to show they won’t attack NATO countries. For example, they attacked Georgia and then Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO. Clearly they’re afraid of NATO and don’t want to fight it.

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                NATO was very much an anti-Soviet and then anti-Russian

                Right, because they were considered the biggest threat, if any country was going to go “Germany” it would be Russia/USSR.

                Russia wanted to join NATO

                That doesn’t prove anything, Russia excels at Intelligence programs, so if anything there were ulterior motives. “Russia. Crap military, fantastic intelligence agency” ~Some comment I saw here once.

                For example, they attacked Georgia and then Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO. Clearly they’re afraid of NATO and don’t want to fight it.

                Are you serious? Attacking sovereign countries to show other sovereign countries in an alliance that you won’t attack them?

                Yea no, he doesn’t want to attack NATO yet, he wants to slow down its growth because he wants Russias military growth to outpace it first. Then when he feels good and ready then will be the attack.

                Unlike Drump, Putler isn’t stupid, he has a plan and he’s executing it. And a big thing about plans, you generally want to take certain actions at certain times

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                  Okay great, we agree on the first quote. Why’d you use Germany as an example instead of Russia?

                  Second point. You think Russia is super sneaky or something? If they were, then how’d they lose Ukraine and had to invade? They’re clearly lacking when compared to the West.

                  Third point, yeah, I’m serious. Russia won’t attack NATO. They clearly don’t want to fight NATO, hence preventing countries within their sphere of influence from joining NATO. Russia would get wrecked even if they somehow won. It’s not worth it and if NATO was somehow weak enough that Russia could win, then they wouldn’t need to fight. They could coerce/incentivize without invading.

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                You’re very misinformed or just intentionally misrepresenting history here. If you think Russia was ever going to join nato in good faith even if allowed, you’re a silly child.

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            My dear downvoted friend! I think this perfectly answers @Vegeta@lemmy.ca question. If you have any viewpoint outside what is “political correct” you get downvoted, even just saying what the NATO Secretary General Jens “Warmonger” Stoltenberg gloated himself:

            So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

            So what are socialists to do? They can’t help it! And the only thing liberals hate more than fascists are socialists, especially the dirtbag left when they get a little snippy.

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        Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist.

        I have seen evidence to the contrary.

        Those wannabe champions of labor are temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting.

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    Because even as the Earth burns and the Fascists march directly due to the capitalist’s class conquest, domination, and occupation, even many Americans who believe themselves to be politically leftwing think they can dunk on socialists and communists for their “silly” ideologies based in social cooperation and mutual social benefit where… Gasp… You can’t grind yourself to death under the toxic aspiration of attaining immoral levels of wealth to live larger than is reasonable within the finite shared habitat known as Earth.

    They of course conveniently forget all the military actions the US has taken over the last century to destabilize nations that wanted to become such societies in order to keep their resource markets open to our capitalist’s exploitation.

    Oh, and get ready for the hottest summer of your life… So far! 🔥🌎🔥

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      Socialism works in theory, but in practice they have not solved the problem of CIA death squads murdering their leaders and fomenting a coup.

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      this graphic is missing brazil in 1964 its missing literally every other country that isnt listed.

      now that i think of it, it would probably be easier to list the countries the US didn’t destroy in central and south america.

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      Anyone who praises Xi Jingping, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, and <insertAuthoritarianMurdererHere> as hard as I routinely see on lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad is an awful person and deserves derision, contempt, and distrust. They can call themselves a “leftist”, “socialist”, “communist”, or a whatever-ist. Fundamentally, they’re edgelord bootlickers and temporarily inconvenienced dictators-in-waiting.

      “wHaTaBoUt USA, iSrAeL, nAtO, etc.?”

      You can hate “The West”, their people, their foreign policy, and their economics.

      Doesn’t mean you should suck dictators’ dicks because they’re “not The West”.

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        Liberals keep telling me to support the lesser evil in elections, but when I apply that to geopolitics they get mad…

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          Well, to start, he’ll never relinquish power. According to him, he’s in charge forever. That alone is all one needs to thoroughly distrust and oppose.

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            thats not how chinese democracy works, and i’m not sure where you got that from.

            he will be replaced when their “parliament” of sorts decides hes not doing a good job anymore.

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          How is that homophobic? There’s no mention of the gender of the bootlicking edgelords.

          You don’t have to be a man to suck dick.

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            I’m pretty sure there’s some homophobic roots in there. But that aside, why would anyone use cock sucking as an insult? Doing that would only discourage cock sucking, and who in their right mind would want less cock sucking in the world. Makes no sense.

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              why would anyone use cock sucking as an insult?

              Probably because of the perceived power dynamic between the cock sucker and cock suckee.

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                There shouldn’t be a power dynamic under normal sucking conditions. Maybe if you have a power dynamic kink, then sure, do your thing, but regardless, people shouldn’t turn consensual sex acts into insults, that only discourages fun.

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      Some of these events were egregious and deserve condemnation but tbh 56 “events” in the span of 59 years doesn’t seem all that bad. It’s not like they’ve conquered any of them. Even the Panama Canal was treated as working relationship and eventually the US pulled out of operating it.

      US Military Bases are all over the world because those actually do stabilize the regions against outside threats. Without them, some of these smaller nations would not exist today.

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    The developers who created Lemmy are leftists, and they run the lemmy.ml instance. The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was allegedly chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.

    I’m not an expert on the subject, but lemmy.ml users are known for being tankies. People don’t like that.

    However, some of you whipper snappers don’t know that those of us with really old accounts joined back when lemmy.ml was the most popular instance. I just like FOSS things.

    Edit: added “allegedly

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      I’m on ML because it is the dev’s instance, that’s it. Also, I dislike how .world is run.

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        .ca is a bit more sane and not as authoritarian as .world or .ml. I don’t mind .world, but their admins are inconsistent, IMO

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            Neither am I. However, I have seen one or two people on ca that claim it’s an instance “for Canadians”, but that isn’t the majority view.

            Canadian news is mild compared to other instances and their admins rock. They just did some good hardware updates and the instance is fairly reliable. 10/10, would recommend. The author of my client (Connect) is also on that instance, and I contribute a bit to that community as well.

            I could see some downsides if the occasional post in French would piss you off.

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              As a Canadian on .ca, I’d say it was made for Canadians, but others are more than welcome. It’s kind of like a nice park. Sure, it’s ours, but you don’t need our permission to come hang out.

              And now I kind of want to try out Connect.

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              It’s “for Canadians” in that if you’re Canadian and joining Lemmy, lemmy.ca ought to be your default choice, but we welcome anyone that isn’t a shitbag

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        Yeah, it’s a shame that there are only two instances: .ml and .world

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            Yeah, i was being facetious. I was here. lol

            I originally joined World like everyone else but pretty quickly left for Mander just to spread the load.
            Almost two years ago now!

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          I am pretty anti-tankie. I’m even a mod at onehundredninetysix. The censorship of some words is kind of funny though.

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          Or swearwords, or any word that is partially composed of a swearword. Or talk about people that are pro-China or pro-Russia engaging in any kind of bad behavior in other places that have no relation to ML.

          I’m sure the list continues, but I blocked them a while ago.

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      Yeah, and them being trigger-happy with the ban hammer is why Lemmy exists at all today. All Reddit alternatives back then were Nazi hotpots, because pretty much only folks who got banned from Reddit joined the alternatives (and back then, Reddit moderation primarily concerned itself with Nazis).

      They would show up on dev.lemmy.ml, too, and “just ask questions”, like if an immigrant did a certain crime, would you want them deported?
      These questions served no point other than to drive the conversation tone to the right.
      And yeah, I was glad that the admins were always vigilant about that and immediately banned anyone asking such ‘questions’, even if it may have thrown legitimately curious folks under the bus, because it allowed proper conversations to exist.

      Of course, I have survivorship bias. I don’t concern myself with China or Russia nearly enough to have specific opinions about them.
      But when someone is not being intentionally intolerant, I am of the opinion that talking to them is worth it and the only way to help center opinions which one might perceive as extreme.
      But well, I also don’t concern myself with my admins nearly enough to have specific opinions about their opinions either. I don’t have to agree with everything they think, just because I’m on their instance, so I don’t care nearly as much as some other folks here.

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        That doesn’t follow. Truth Social exists, is full of fascists, and is way bigger than Lemmy.

        If it weren’t for Reddit deciding to turn against their users in a very dramatic way, Lemmy would still just be a tiny leftist community rather than what it is now: a larger, but still small, mostly leftist, but slightly more centrist, mix of communities that fight all the time.

        I came over with the initial wave of Reddit refugees. Lemmy was quite bad back then, with a lot of crap I had to block. It’s better today but it still has a very long way to go.

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      Tankies aren’t real leftists. They’re morons who honor authority over freedom to the point they’ll suck off authoritarians from history. Basically (very, very basically), they’re the authoritarian “left”… as much as anyone who is rightly left honors undue authority…

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        The problem is that y’all believe, that acknowledging many of the claims about those countries to be CIA hoaxes, is also somehow a declaration of approval of those countries policies.

        You may not like those countries, but you’re taking that to mean you have to personally adopt the position of defending the bullshit lies you’ve been told about them.

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      Also a lot of people just join a random popular instance at the start before looking into political shit like this, and they don’t want to switch later on.

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      At this point I’m not sure if they are tankies, or whether they’ve just been called tankies by people who call all leftists tankies.

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        I’m an anarchist, these people are the kind of genocide appreciators who call all dissenting leftists tankies

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          Nope, clear definition:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

          Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.

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          This makes sense.

          I do think “tankie” is the wrong word, as “bootlicker” sounds more apt since Russia hasn’t been communist since '91.

          As in, these devs are definitely authoritarian, but communist? Absolutely not.

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            They’re definitely all about the communism too. I answered a post asking for any surviving examples of communism with “I think Cuba counts” and got banned Rule 1 IIRC.

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              That’s… distinctly NOT being about actual communism… that’s about being pro tankie propaganda…

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        I dont think they are tankies. I am an anarchist and I believe communism is as evil as capitalism. I am lemmy.ml so I dont think they are tankies.

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          I don’t think you know what communism is supposed to be if you think it is as evil as capitalism… (note I said supposed to be, not what ever language an authoritarian decides to couch their takeover in)

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          Good to know, I totally thought it was a pejorative term for people who supported Kruschev’s use of tanks, and I rarely see people talking about that so I was very confused.

          Note: this comment is dripping with sarcasm

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            pejorative term for people who supported Kruschev’s use of tanks

            Funnily enough, didn’t it come out two weeks ago from JFK papers that the leader of the Hungarian Freedom Fighters of the Hungarian Revolution was on CIA bankroll? Wow, tankies have been vindicated etymologically? Who woulda thunk

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              So does that mean the Hungarian revolution was engineered by the CIA? Like by the US government? I think that was suspected for a long time, but also that justifying the tankie view ignores a lot of nuance imo. Does “america bad” really justify the use of tanks? Was the Hungarian revolution really fascist even if some of the leadership was? Or was it simply an anti-authoritarian struggle for freedom and self-determination?

              Idk, I’m lacking in a lot of historical knowledge.

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                The Hungarian Revolution didn’t need to be fascist to justify the use of tanks, but yes, the fact that Hungary suffered a US-supported coup is worthy of tanks. The horrors lived in Eastern Europe as a consequence of the dismantling of socialism in the name of “freedom” are unspeakable. Millions of lives lost to unemployment, alcoholism, lack of healthcare, suicide and a myriad more of reasons. Those don’t matter I guess, since they’re victims of capitalism.

                “America bad” by itself almost justifies the use of tanks. Joining the Western World in imperialism, unequal exchange and ultimately genocide, is a crime against humanity, and history books of the future will reflect this. History won’t be kind to those who exploited the billions of people of the global south for the selfish gain of a few capitalist overlord.

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                  K I gotta bow out of this one, we’re getting into territory and history on which I am not educated or confident enough in my knowledge to discuss, also it’s a very controversial topic I don’t want to discuss on a public forum with people who don’t know me.

                  Sorry, I acknowledge that I asked a bunch of questions you are just answering lol. My fault!

                  Cheers, hope you have a lovely evening!

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            While those event was certain to cause some resentment of USSR/Russia, that hatred needs to persist long after Russia gave all of those countries liberation peacefully, and that all lies and diminishment becomes morally justified.

            Neo-Tankyism is all reality opposing maximization of Russophobia and Sinophobia for CIA/US empire subjugation of those who could benefit from non-US subjugation. It is a projection in protecting their programming no matter how evil the US is, or actively directly attacking them, because their programming has no factual defense.

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          Specifically, those who also ignore the ccp, putin, hamas, and hezbolla’s evil and lies.

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      I cannot support an instance where criticism of countries like North Korea or Venezuela is sanctioned with 30 day bans, even defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine is tolerated. I love open source software and it breaks my heart, but I completely blocked .ml after multiple incidents I witnessed or was part of in the news and worldnews communities.

      Also I cannot really understand the argument of having an “old account”. All it means on Lemmy is having a year and a month in your profile. It is even a good idea to switch your account from time to time to stay more anonymous.

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      I am confused now. I was just called a “leftist Nazi” and “liberal right wing nazi”. Lulz.

      My point is that I think the terms “leftist” and “liberal” have been redefined again, just as a heads up.

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        It’s a weird situation. Billionaires successfully dissolved the left into factions of people who all in-fight over whether or not you’re allowed to say retard, or the n word (hey look I must be one of them). Identity politics. Really unimportant nonsense.

        They also successfully got the right to worship billionaires.

        Not to get too tin foil hat, but at this point I think it’s safe to say reddit was a psyop.

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          Billionaires successfully dissolved the left into factions of people who all in-fight

          I think this goes all the way back. Leftist groups have been competing basically as long as there’s been a right and left. Going back to the OG “Left,” the French Revolutionaries, you see the Jacobins seize power from the monarchists, after which they start to eliminate competing revolutionary groups who have some ideological differences. In Russia, you’ve got the Mensheviks being eliminated by the Bolsheviks, and then the Trotskyists being eliminated by the Stalinists.

          Wherever there is a small difference in ideology and people willing to die for it, the left will always be at each other’s throats.

          On the other hand, I think the right keeps succeeding precisely because of identity politics: they unify under an identity instead of an ideology, or I guess maybe more specifically they succeed at turning identity into ideology. Identity politics are pushed by the right as a way of forming out-groups so that the majority can remain unified and always have a “them” to distract from what the ruling “us” is doing.

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            Wherever there is a small difference in ideology and people willing to die for it, the left will always be at each other’s throats

            I’ve been aware of this since i learned just how fractured religions get when they get enough followers.

            The human race is just not good with handling competing ideas and seemingly never has been.

            I think that’s why great unifying events/people captivate so many of our narratives

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        Those terms don’t have definitions. People use them twice on the same phrase where each occurrence has a different meaning.

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      The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.

      Do you have the developers actually claiming this, or only second hand information? I was under the impression that they chose .ml because they were handing those domains out for free.

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        I have not verified the validity of those claims. I’ll edit the post to reflect that.

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    at this point i think you would be better off checking it out for a while and seeing if its for you. the answers here are extremely biased so far.

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    Something else I’ve not seen mentioned here is:

    It’s pretty easy to see how the admins rule all of the communities while the moderators of those communities seem to be nothing more than flaccid ineffective grunts that do nothing but let it happen.

    For evidence, check the modlogs and see that the bans/removals from .ml are always done by the same two people. Then, note how those two people don’t even moderate the communities the comments/bans were issues from. This is not a bias. It’s verifiable by simply checking the logs.

    Then, note how most of the bans/removals don’t even violate the rules, but seemingly only hurt the feelings of the aforementioned admins.

    They are a walled garden of propaganda-riddled rhetoric.

    Additionally, many of the kids that habituate that place come in to other instances and stir pots, debate-troll people, and generally shit all over everything, and then cry and accuse everyone of bias when they get moderated by ACTUAL moderators.

    The evidence here, lies in the modlogs of all the people complaints about how shitty .world and other instances are. Check for yourself. See that I’m not lying.

    Lastly, I’ve not once ever posted, or commented in a single community of .ml, so unlike them- my bias is driven by real-world evidence, and not anecdotal reactionary temper tantrums.

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        Most places are defederated from grad and hex already. ML is essentially considered too big to fail so most sites won’t defed from them.

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          Lots. The admins won’t do it. No idea why but they won’t even address it.

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      I am not banned nor downvoted for telling people when they romanticize USSR or how USSR fucked my country.

      I think I got banned from some trans group for calling their arrogance that I should care about every Dick and Harry enough to ask them about their pronouns.

      I don’t give a fuck, will call you whatever you look like, and if it’s neither you’re gonna be called petal.

      I have no clue where do you find the people you write about. Also, like most lemmy users I picked this instance at random.

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        if you can’t even muster up basic respect for other people do you think they should respect you or your sensibilities?

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            I think I misread, I thought you were complaining about being down voted/banned for being negative about the USSR

            either way you should still respect other people by gendering them correctly. it’s really not hard and if you expect them to be respecting you in the conversation then it’s the bare minimum you should do

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              I think you still didn’t understood me correctly. I’m not against calling people what they ask me to call them, I’m against the idea that I should be proactively gathering that information.

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    I don’t know. I’m on ml. Something about ‘tankies’? I dont bother thinking about those cliques and ppl being so clique-y, and nor should anyone else. immature behaviour tbh, but I haven’t received any teasing for being on ml so I think it’s a minority of people who really dislike lefties maybe?

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      Account hopping costs nothing (it’s not like Lemmy has “karma”)

      I made my first account on dotworld, but then dotworld started doing defederations I didn’t like. Now I’m in a furry-centric instance. :P

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        I guess I can’t notice the absence of something but the only defederations I know of are Hexbear and Lemmygrad and good fucking riddance because those instances just spam posts asking westerners to kill their family and neighbors in praise of the glorious leaders of the east.

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    Okay, so for some context .ml is run by the Lemmy devs and the devs are openly tankies (authoritarian communists). .ml, along with Lemmygrad (also run by the devs) and Hexbear are known as the Tankie Triad. While not as bad as the other two, .ml still has a lot of tankies compared to instances that aren’t part of the triad. Additionally, .ml used to be the recommended instance (until .world came along), making it one of the more populated instances. Most other instances defederate with Lemmygrad and Hexbear, but not necessarily .ml.

    Basically, there’s a lot of extremely opinionated and often combative people there and provoking them (intentionally or not) is very easy.

    That’s my understanding of the situation anyway.

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    Basically, .ml Tankies (I don’t consider all .ml users to be Tankies just because they’re a .ml users) are authoritarian bootlickers “communists” pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend or is just “western propganda.”

    So they believe and spread things like the Russia narratives on Ukraine (When it happened they were parroting the whole “special military operation” thing, the current thing is that it was “just a diplomatic maneuver to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table”)

    Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle, often opting instead to remove dissenting comments and ban users before letting threads get out of control. So, as a result many instances defed from those 2.

    .ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, hardcore Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Or allowing known propaganda outlets to fester

    You can check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works if you want to see some documentation of their actions, words and censoring. What I’ve linked here is but a mere sampling of what’s been collected there

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    Because there’s not a lot of brain cells in .ml and they are confidently incorrect on a regular basis.