Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

last weekā€™s thread

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      A long time ago when the whole ā€œshould we cctv everythingā€ idea was new and controversial I recall an interview or something with a london police chief, at the time the most cctved city. He admitted that cctv didnt help them stop crime or catch more criminals. He still wanted more cctv though. I think about that every now and then when there is another ā€˜our surveillance tech actually does not work but we want more of itā€™ story

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    one of the most annoying things about writing for a US audience is theyā€™re fucking illiterate and alluding to books confuses them

    wanna grab editors by the throat and go ā€œJUST WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU PEOPLE EVEN DOING IN HIGH SCHOOLā€

    actual example from today: ā€œwho the hell is Fagin never heard of himā€

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      So cards on the table here, Iā€™ve never actually read Oliver Twist. But even neo-google is able to point me at enough useful details to get enough of a gist to follow it.

      And thatā€™s assuming you donā€™t pick it up from Wishbone, the animated talking dogs version , or the muppets parody that Iā€™m sure exists somewhere.

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        @YourNetworkIsHaunted

        I never read it but somehow absorbed bits from the ambient culture. Might have watched a version at some point.

        Age may be part of it. Iā€™m 53. Perhaps Oliver Twist stuff was more visible in US culture in the 70s and 80s than it was later.

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      Reading books in US high school was an exercise in frustration. There werenā€™t many books assigned, and not a lot of them vibed with me. Most of my classmates did the minimum reading they could get away with (and this was before cellphones were everywhere).

      Also I once read through the entirety of the Lord of the Flies before the first quiz on it and so got a quiz answer wrong because I got mixed up due to remembering stuff that happened later in the book which Iā€™m still bitter about.

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        Our AP English teacher marked down everyone in our class for failing to identify a quote that wasnā€™t in the translation of Lā€™Etranger that we all read. She refused to give our points back even after I brought a copy of the French original and showed that the translation in our edition was correct when hers was not.

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      Imagine being afraid of allusions to classic literature in your own native language.

      Itā€™s fine to miss a reference. I do it all the time and make my friends do the same. Not getting a reference is not a punishment to you, itā€™s a bonus to those who do get it.

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        thatā€™s what got me: this guy was pissed off someone referenced Fagin at all, the crime of making the bozo feel uncomfortable at missing something by not reading

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    Slate says: ā€œFor the Love of God, Stop Profiling This Couple!ā€

    The Collinses are ineffective, abusive industry plants from Peter Thielā€™s extended circle. They know theyā€™re entirely media creations. They play off that fact to ensure that journalists never follow up on how many initiatives theyā€™ve started and abandoned, neglect to interrogate their contradictory stances on issues like abortion and ā€œrace science,ā€ and even seem to accept that theyā€™re openly being taken for a ride by these dorks. Yet in spite of it all, no one listens to their podcast, they donā€™t really have much of a following, and their specific appeal is concentrated to a few far-right circuits.

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      In the new Washington Post profile, Malcolm implies that he ā€œengineered the sceneā€ because ā€œhe knew smacking his kid would draw attention, help the article go viral and get their message out.ā€

      How does beating your kid for clicks make anything better!? You still beat your two year old kid!

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      i still canā€™t get over how they look
      like why the fuck would you wear glasses like those
      was there even a point in time where this was fashionable

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        West Coast of USA, late 2000s to early 2010s, yes, the thick squared dark eyeglass frames were popular. Every time I see photos of these folks, Iā€™m reminded of a couple people I know IRL as well as folks I know professionally who still prefer the thicker frames. Personally, Iā€™ve always needed a very heavy prescription, and so Iā€™ve always looked for the thinnest frames, but it really was a trend a decade ago.

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      Dear acausal robot God, that was cathartic. Refreshing to see a mainstream journalist see through techbro weirdo uwu smol bean antics for what they are, especially after so many credulous puff pieces.

      This includes the Guardian (twice), the Wall Street Journal, the Philadelphia Inquirer, CBC News, Business Insider, Bloomberg, and Dallas Magazine, among many, many others. My industry peers very clearly want me to know about these peopleā€”a lot about them!

      I knew that a couple of outlets had done profiles of them lately, but I didnā€™t realize they were attention whoring this hard. Maybe their thing isnā€™t a breeding kink after all, but exhibitionism.

      I also didnā€™t know about the child abuse, though I could have seen it coming without subjecting myself to two Grauniad bits on these fuckers1.

      And then thereā€™s the slap. The most notable aspect of the Guardianā€™s May 2024 profileā€”which, again, profiled them twice in the same yearā€”was a moment when Malcolm slaps his son in the face, in public, after the then-2-year-old accidentally bumped into a table, leaving the boy ā€œwhimpering.ā€ To her credit, reporter Jenny Kleeman didnā€™t let this go, forcing the couple to defend this punishment.

      1: Donā€™t even know if ā€œfuckerā€ is appropriate here given these bougie failchildren are apparently opting for IVF for the actual baby making part.

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        I think the first Guardian article had some value, just because the reporter hung around the Collinses long enough that they indicted themselves through their own actions and words. Whether that outweighs giving two eugenicists a platform to tell people about their beliefs is difficult to judge.

        Iirc, whatshisface defended himself by claiming that black parents were more likely to hit their kids, therefore it was racist to criticise him for doing so

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        Fun fact, I looked at that article. And my monitor exploded. No joke. I was in sudden darkness, and the mains were turned off. Pc survived thankfully, and I have a secondary monitor but lol wtf. (I need to go to bed).

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    So the far right people are already infighting each other with disinformation. Now they are accusing others of being part of the USAID thing. See this tweet by I,hypocrite (lporiginalg) (Note the guy is a bad guy (an anti-Semite for example), so this is fasc on fasc action).

    "So let me get this straightā€¦

    Vaush

    Aella

    Richard Hanania

    James Lindsay

    Were all funded by USAID? WHO ELSE?

    <community note pointing out this isnā€™t true>"

    They are coming for you Aella, hope you have an exit strategy (Just saying: Publicly burning bridges, and dropping the chatlogs of others would create a lot of goodwill on the anti-fascist side, and would be a good first step in rebuilding trust with some people (even if for a lot this cannot be regained)).

    Perhaps using a lot of lying shitheads to get political clout is a bad idea, as even when you are in power, they will not stop lying (and being shitheads).

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      Basically this is the usual battle between the literal neo-nazi antisemites and the more mainstream fascists whoā€™ve pivoted from virulent antisemitism to anti-muslim racism and support for Israel (but that wonā€™t stop them from having a go at the (((globalists))) every other day). Fun for all.

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        Yeah very much whoever wins we lose. We should just build a large trebuchet and fire them all into the sun. But sadly the gov does nothing.

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              Yeah, thankfully little happening here, too. Checks Finnish news oh, apparently a cop guarding the presidentā€™s house killed himself in November. Also some expertā€™s ā€œthis kind of Muskian coup could not happen here because that would be illegalā€ shirt is raising questions already answered by his shirt.

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                Well here thankfully the fight is over (today it was, tomorrow it will be something else, no wait our fasc doesnā€™t work the weekends, monday it will be) the crisis of not having enough prison cells, which they wanted to fix by letting people with sentences of less than a year out 2 weeks earlier. Which caused a rift between the party ā€˜memberā€™(*) who wanted to do it and the fuhrer Wilders (whos negative reaction on this was published via twitter of course).

                *: Technically Wilders party has only one member, Wilders.

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    I distinctly recall a lot of people a few years ago parroting some variation of ā€œwell I donā€™t know about Bitcoin specifically, but blockchain itself is probably going to be important and even revolutionary as a technologyā€ and sometimesI wish Iā€™d collected receipts to say ā€œI told you itā€™s notā€.

    Here we are, year of Nakamoto 17 and the full list of use cases for blockchains is:

    • Speculative trading of toy currencies made up by private nobodies
    • Paying through the nose to execute arbitrary code on SETI@Homeā€™s evil cousin
    • Speculative trading of arbitrary blobs of bytes made up by private nobodies

    And no, Git is not a fucking blockchain. Much like the New York City Subway is not the fucking Loop.

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      year of Nakamoto 17

      so what youā€™re saying is, next year a whole lot of these guys are suddenly going to lose interest

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      you forgot sanctions evasion, volunteering as a liquidity pool for iranian laundromat, and north korean ransomware

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        Ok, maybe cryptocurrencies made those a little bit easier than doing the same thing with MMO money or having to mail physical goods. I can even go out on a limb and credit the blockchain itself for them, even though the design kind of makes transactions inherently more traceable than some possible aleternatives do.

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                No worries. I do agree ransomware industry might not have taken off or at least might have taken off a lot slower if the victims had to make a gold mule video game character or mail cash or precious metals through seedy relay addresses to pay the ransom. So Iā€™ll habe to credit cryptocurrency, if not necessarily blockchain per se, for that dubious achievement.

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                  Yeah good point on the blockchain tech split vs actual cryptocurrencies. Esp considering the stories some of the exchanges basically did away with the blockchain for internal trades.

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    There are days where I think that desktop Linux usability has gotten so good, it has come such a long way since I started using it in the late 90s, and that now itā€™s really good. And then there are days like today, where I just install some system updates, reboot, and suddenly Iā€™m greeted with:

    Note: I have absolutely no idea what ā€œFcitxā€ even is. Or why and how itā€™s launched, or whether Iā€™m actually using it or not. Or what this notification is trying to tell me exactly, and whether it is desirable for me to ā€œimprove the experienceā€ with it. Or how the latest updates caused this. It appears that it has something to do with keyboard input, I guess. I assume that I could find out more by crawling the web. But honestly, Iā€™m just too fucking exhausted to even bother figuring it out. I donā€™t even want to know how much lifetime Iā€™ve already spent chasing Linux problems like that.

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      Fcitx is an input method editor used to type different languages, especially those that need to be composed from context (Chinese, Japanese, Thai, etc.) I believe it comes preinstalled with KDE (at least in kde-full it does, unsure about the smaller packages), but it should be totally safe to remove if you donā€™t need this functionality.

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      I dunno, still not as bad as the last Win10 update I was presented with that wanted to resize the recovery partition and shrink my C drive at the same time. That was the push I needed to switch to my Gentoo install and never look back. I presume that Windows is probably pretty decent about live partition resizing these days, but I donā€™t know that for sure, and I donā€™t want to waste time being concerned about it on a system thatā€™s mainly for gaming anyway.

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        Yep, Iā€™m certainly not claiming that Windows is better at it these daysā€¦ (Possibly unpopular opinion: Windows usability peaked with WinXP.)

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      not sure if this is entirely ignorable as a tactic or if the counter-tactic is to post similar stickers but with references/QR codes to classic shock sites.

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    I hate LLMs so much. Now, every time I read student writing, I have to wonder if itā€™s ā€œnormal overwroughtā€ or ā€œLLM bullshit.ā€ You can make educated guesses, but the reasoning behind this is really no better than what the LLM does with tokens (on top of any internalized biases I have), so of course I donā€™t say anything (unless there is a guaranteed giveaway, like ā€œas a language modelā€).

    No one describes their algorithm as ā€œefficiently doing [intermediate step]ā€ unless youā€™re describing it to a general, non-technical audience ā€” what a coincidence ā€” and yet it keeps appearing in my studentsā€™ writing. Itā€™s exhausting.

    Edit: I really canā€™t overemphasize how exhausting it is. Students will send you a direct message in MS Teams where they obviously used an LLM. We used to get

    my algorithm checks if an array is already sorted by going through it one by one and seeing if every element is smaller than the next element

    which is non-technical and could use a pass, but is succinct, clear, and correct. Now, we get1

    In order to determine if an array is sorted, we must first iterate through the array. In order to iterate through the array, we create a looping variable i initialized to 0. At each step of the loop, we check if i is less than n - 1. If so, we then check if the element at index i is less than or equal to the element at index i + 1. If not, we output False. Otherwise, we increment i and repeat. If the loop finishes successfully, we output True.

    and Iā€™m fucking tired. Like, use your own fucking voice, please! I want to hear your voice in your writing. PLEASE.


    1: Made up the example out of whole-cloth because I havenā€™t determined if there are any LLMs I can use ethically. It gets the point across, but I suspect itā€™s only half the length of what ChatGPT would output.

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      My sympathies.

      Read somewhere that the practice of defending oneā€™s thesis was established because buying a thesis was such an established practice. Scaling that up for every single text is of course utterly impractical.

      I had a recent conversation with someone who was convinced that machines learn when they regurgitate text, because ā€œthat is what humans doā€. My counterargument was that if regurgitation is learning then every student who crammed, regurgitated and forgot, must have learnt much more than anyone thought. I didnā€™t get any reply, so I must assume that by reading my reply and creating a version of it in their head they immediately understood the errors of their ways.

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        I had a recent conversation with someone who was convinced that machines learn when they regurgitate text, because ā€œthat is what humans doā€.

        But we know the tech behind these models right? They dont change their weights when they produce output right? You could have a discussion if updating the values is learning, but it doesnt even do that right? (Feeding the questions back into the dataset used to train them is a different mechanic)

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          Thatā€™s true, and thatā€™s one way to approach the topic.

          I generally focus on humans being more complex than the caricature we need to be reduced to in order for the argument to appear plausible. Having some humanities training comes in handy because the prompt fans very rarely do.

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    I donā€™t know if this is the right place to ask, but a friend from the field is wondering if there are any examples of good AI companies out there? With AI not meaning LLM companies. Thanks!

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      sounds a bit of a xy question imo, and a good answer of examples would depend on the y part of the question, the whatever it is that (if my guess is right) your friend is actually looking to know/find

      ā€œAIā€ is branding, a marketing thing that a cadaverous swarm of ghouls got behind in the upswing of the slop wave (you can trace this by checking popularity of the term in the months after deepdream), a banner with which to claim to be doing something new, a ā€œnew handleā€ to use to try anchor anew in the imaginations of many people who were (by normal and natural humanity) not yet aware of all the theft and exploitation. this was not by accident

      there are a fair of good machine learning systems and companies out there (and by dint of hype and market forces, some end up sticking the ā€œAIā€ label on their products, because thatā€™s just how this deeply fucked capitalist market incentivises). as other posters have said, medical technology has seen some good uses, thereā€™s things like recommender[0] and mass-analysis system improvements, and Iā€™ve seen the same in process environments[1]. thereā€™s even a lot of ā€œquiet and usefulā€ forms of this that have been getting added to many daily use systems and products all around us: reasonably good text extractors as a baseline feature in pdf and image viewers, subject matchers to find pets and friends in photos, that sort of thing. but those donā€™t get headlines and silly valuation insanity as much of the industry is in the midst of

      [0] - not always blanket good, thereā€™s lots of critique possible here

      [1] - things like production lines that can use correlative prediction for checking on likely faults

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        Thanks for the replies, I guess the ā€œgoodā€ was vague on purpose, to see how people interpret itā€¦

        This popped up on one of my feeds today and I saved it, canā€™t remember from where, itā€™s relevant to the above so sharing here: https://oneproject.org/ai-commons/ (AI Commons: nourishing alternatives to Big Tech monoculture).

        They talk about AI for good, at some point they mention how the term is sometimes used just for marketing.

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      There are companies doing ā€œcool-soundingā€ things with AI like Waymo. ā€œGoodā€ would require more definition.

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      The only thing that comes to mind is medical applications, drug research, etc. But that might just be a skewed perspective on my end because I know literally nothing about that industry or how AI technology is deployed there. Iā€™ve just read research has been assisted by those tools and that seems, at least on the surface level, like a good thing.