Summary
Polish Tourism Minister Sławomir Nitras has called for a Tesla boycott following Elon Musk’s remarks urging Germany to “move past” its Nazi history.
Musk’s comments, made during a far-right AfD campaign event, sparked outrage, particularly in Poland, which lost 6 million people in WWII.
The controversy comes ahead of Germany’s February 23 election and just before Musk’s Tesla earnings call.
As a key advisor to Trump, Musk’s stance could impact Tesla’s market position in Europe, where historical remembrance remains a sensitive issue.
As a Pole: Its funny to see hoe people in Poland is viewed by other countries vs how its actually viewed.
- Soon government starts program of subsidizing buying new EVs. Teslas are not excluded. Its basically poor financing rich’s new cars.
https://www.gov.pl/web/nfosigw/program-naszeauto-do-40-tys-zl-doplaty-do-samochodu-elektrycznego
- Main opposition party demands deposition from minister who made unfortunate slip of the tounge and didnt immediately correct herself on international conference on 80th anniversary of liberating of the largest concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau. “In the territory occupied by Germany, Polish Nazis built camps that were labor camps, which later became mass extermination camps.”
Yeah, fuck Elon
Just ban Tesla, X and everything else owned by Elon Musk
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
And those who do, are condemned to watch the rest of them repeat it. :(
Those who do remember the past intentionally repeat it because they are fucking Nazis.
Fascists will never ever be not guilty
The only way for Germany to move past its Nazi history is not to forget it but to learn from it. For Germany to truly move past its guilt it must:
- Ban the AfD (they’re in the process) and ensure Europe is free of fascists
- Guide Europe toward a bright free future (they are doing this)
- Protect Europe from its threats and ensure no nation will ever devisate it again (they’re in the process, hopefully they can establish a federal European military)
- Not elect the conservative party who are starting to take up most of the AfD’s program and sabotage points 1 through 3 (they’re failing catastrophically when looking at polls)
They need to have their leadership banned
I think you mean shot and fed to the wolves.
That too
it’s only been 80 years, these motherfuckers can’t get over the US civil war after 160 years.
The Swedish strike is still ongoing. The German protest against their factory is still ongoing. The cyber truck can never be approved for use on roads in all of Europe. Every fourth Tesla fails the first EU-inspection. The average for all cars is 3%, so it’s exceptionally bad.
I don’t think a boycott is even necessary. There are enough reasons not to buy a Tesla.
It might not be necessary to stop him from selling cars in the EU, but the symbolism of it would be fantastic.
There are soooooo many teslas and cyberfucks in the US. It’s horrible
TBF, half the cyberfucks I see are broken down
They are surving ok here in SoCal but if the rainy season hits hard enough my 24 year old 3 cylinder Tacoma is gonna be out driving them here soon.
I laughed out the window of my Honda Fit at one that had broken down in -5F weather
Why would you drive an electric car in -5F weather? Thats just asking for issues, battery drain alone will cause problems add on the cybertrucks shitty build everything and you are mooning fate.
Because you need to drive somewhere and your car is electric? Come weather makes me that I got a plug-in hybrid rather than a full electric, though.
Every fourth Tesla fails the first EU-inspection. The average for all cars is 3%, so it’s exceptionally bad.
I also wouldn’t buy a car from that freak for various reasons but that high failure rate at the first inspection can be at least partly explained. Tesla - unlike most manufacturers - doesn’t do regular inspections on their own. Most cars are checked (and repaired!) by the dealership before they get officially checked. Therefore, the 25% aren’t completely comparable to the 3%.
That makes about as much sense as shipping their vehicles without paint. Oh wait…
Top tip: if you want your local cybertruck off the road. E scooters can total them by denting the impossible to repair body panels.
Interesting, so they are externalizing QA to dealerships? Do they own the dealerships?
Yes that was one of their big business model points. Saves thousands on each vehicle. Technically afaik there is no “dealership”, it’s their corporate store.
But do they really have those many qualified QAs to send to each dealership? I entered one of their dealership only once and the guy talking to me, and appearing to run everything in there, sounded like a cryptobro on coke, but that was in Sweden, so I may not have a good idea of the reality of things elsewhere.
At least in the US, they lock things down so heavily that they’re the only one able to do most repairs, so they’ve got tons of people in house or for body work they’ll have someone they exclusively sub-let the work to.
As an aside, I love the irony of that speech. Musk tells the wannabe Nazis that they can forget about the sins of their (great)grandparents.
The idiots of the AFD want to forget the past simply so they can repeat it.
They want to repeat the sins of their forefathers, they just don’t want to be reminded of the consequences that followed.
I somewhat disagree. They don’t want to forget, they want to finish the job. They have immense pride in something they should feel shame for. That, I think, is the issue. The unwillingness to feel shame, so they replace that feeling with over-zealous pride.
Still grandparents in a lot of cases. I’m 40 and my grandfather fought the Japanese in WWII.
Plenty of people left on this planet who had grandparents on every side of that war.
Or maybe your parentheses was meant to cover both.
Yeah it was.
Fuck it. I typed it. Maybe some other idiot will read it wrong.
i am that idiot <3
Hey, hey. We can start a club!
He wants them to put aside their past guilt so they can focus on the hypothetical future guilt
I had the same question with Trump copying so many of his political plays from 1930s Germany… does he… does he know how the story ended?
He thinks Hitlers generals were loyal so… Nope. Seriously even the Wehrmacht foot soldiers turned on the Nazis in the end openly attacking the SS.
does he… does he know how the story ended?
Let’s lock him alone in a bunker with a Walther PPK for a few hours to see for ourselves.
When history teaches you to not do whatever the fuck you’re about to do, forget the history.
Any democratic society should boycott Tesla until Musk is removed from the company.
And also spacex
Alternatives are Roskosmos and NASA, which buys engines from first two.
Deposed?
Divests from… him being investee in a company should disqualify it.
Doesn’t matter, he owns the stock and gets rich anyway.
The EU should impose a continent-wide ban on Tesla imports (or steep tariffs eh? Why not copy the orange peel) until Tesla offloads Musk - including buying back his shares.
The EU should prepare for a trade war, but it shouldn’t take the first shot.
In this instance, this isn’t a trade war, it’s a war against neo-Nazism. Imposing tarrifs specifically on Tesla wouldn’t be about helping European car manufacturer, it would be about extinguishing Musk’s rhetoric.
It’s too early in the morning for me to look this up but I bet his worth is more than most of the EU member’s GDP.
Sanctions on him individually as well as anything he owns. Bar him from entry, tax the living shit out of any of his properties including any assets he has in the EU.
It’s too early in the morning for me to look this up but I bet his worth is more than most of the EU member’s GDP.
EU members aren’t third world countries. The poorest in the EU - Romania - has a GDP roughly comparable to Musk’s theoretical worth (I say theoretical because it’s really tied to what Tesla shares are worth. It’ll only be real if he sells them, and he can’t without collapsing the price of the share).
But comparing GDP and someone’s wealth is comparing oranges and apples, because Romania’s GDP happens every year, unlike Musk’s wealth.
And more importantly, the EU is all those countries’ GDP combined. That’s in fact exactly why those countries have united: to have more weight to throw around. Musk is no match for the GDP of the entire European Union, which is roughly $19tn.
Since piracy is a pretty important part of Romanian culture, i dont think it should be excluded when talking about theoretical GDP
The average download speed, according to speedtest.net, is 63.78 MB/s
According to a source i cant find, but looked credible, 68% of computers have pirated software
According to romania-insider.com, 61% of households in Romania own computers and have access to the internet
According to wikipedia, there are 6709224 households in Romania
According to ncesc.com, the average game costs 69.9 USD and takes up 20 GB
According to my calculator app, there are 31536000 seconds in a year
In 31536000 seconds, 2782986 computers could pirate 273320490308 average games, increasing Romanias GDP by 19105102272553 USD
This would put Romania as the country with the third highest GDP, slightly less than Russia
61% of 6709224 is 4092627, not 2782986
Only 68% of those 4092627 would be used to pirate the games
I keep getting this feeling that Musk is a stooge and he sacrificed himself/was sacrificed with the Nazi salute thing as a distraction.
He doesn’t give a shit about Tesla tanking, as long as he can use his new connections to ride the stock market waves through some well-planned trades (i.e. insider trading).
These guys can insider trade all they want now. Who the hell is gonna stop them? Nancy Pelosi? Lol.
Nah, he’s looking higher than just money. He was making a bunch of moves that the MAGA folks weren’t happy about, such as getting into fights with Laura Loomer over the specifics of how they’re going to fuck over everyone. A little hand gesture at a rally, and suddenly all those people are lining up to defend him.
Agree. I don’t care about Trump’s second term since I’m not a US citizen but I’m worried about the trend of money buying everything. Recent events have shown that billionaires don’t need to pretend to care about society. They can just join a political party and use their money to do whatever they want.
Musk supporting AfD is just him proving his power. He could not care less about Germans or even Tesla. As much fun as seeing Trump having to clarify that he’s the president, it’s a really bad trend that in this age of media content and AI, it’s easier than ever to influence any society.
I’m pretty sure DeepSeek will play in this direction: give free AI with “PRC influence” to everyone, and when repeatedly enough time, people will believe what they’re told.
He’s right we should move past the guilt and onto whatever it is that strips modern day Nazis of their wealth for reparations.
I would say he’s right if he meant Germany would move past it’s Nazi guilt, stop funding a goddamn present day genocide and arrest the perpetrators of the currently ongoing one, like the ICC has told them to do.
Can you imagine, Germany standing against genocide one of these days ? That would be a grand step forward.
What do you want? The ministers for foreign and inner affairs have both stated that they would obviously comply by the law and would have Netanjahu arrested. He has not come to Germany though, so what is it you want? Have a spec ops team invade Israel and arrest him?
Yes, let’s forget the colonial past and what we used to do to people coming from Africa that moved to the Americas.
They want that too
