Summary
Many Democrats, especially women, expressed disillusionment and frustration online, viewing the result as a reflection of deep-seated misogyny in the U.S.
Harris supporters highlighted anger that a “felony convicted, twice-impeached” Trump prevailed over a female candidate.
Comparisons to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss resurfaced, with many attributing Trump’s win to targeted appeals to young men, including appearances with influencers like Joe Rogan.
The election outcome has intensified concerns over growing right-wing radicalization among young men.
Misogyny likely played a small factor. AZ for example has trump up by a couple percent, but also Kari Lake down a couple percent. And her whole platform was “whatever helps trump”. The numbers aren’t huge, but it’s likely at least part of that gap.
They hate black women, Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote
No they hate cops. Harris was a terrible candidate
Harris still might, California is only 60% counted with mostly urban places left to count.
It wouldn’t be much, but I still hope Harris wins the popular vote – even though I think she was a fucking garbage candidate. At least then I can go back to shouting from the highest tower that we should abolish the electoral college – but living in a world where Trump won the popular vote tells me America as a whole isn’t better than this, this is exactly who the majority of Americans are – hateful, scared and short sighted. I was lied to by my parents for my entire life – they told me there were more good people than bad people, but then they got old and they started voting for the very same bad people they taught me how to recognize. What the everloving fuck happened
Join the crowd ladies. Their hate is very wide.
Women should just fucking leave their Trump voting husband/boyfriend and should go no contact with their Trump loving fathers, brothers and sons. Seriously if the men don’t stand behind their women why should these women even support their men.
Go let them wallow in misery. And let them fight over the remaining nut job women who voted for Trump. The Trump male to Trump female ratio doesn’t favor these men in the dating scene.
These men who are meant to be protectors of the women in their lives have committed the ultimate betrayal of selling them out as slaves. What vile creatures. How could anyone stand to be in the same room as a man who did that to you. That would make me sick to my core.
They don’t value women enough to consider that a loss.
For them, all of the smart women shutting up or leaving is probably beneficial.
That is the correct conclusion…
It’s not “just” that, but it was the deciding factor that made this all moot from the start.
The people who voted for trump are, in their DNA, at their core, bigoted cowards that wouldn’t have been swayed by anything else - She has a vagina and she’s black - That’s all it was ever going to be.
" I was this close, Bill… I just wanted more policy details… More time… If only they didn’t make me vote for trump".
I don’t think that way, personally.
I think that America is just dumb af. Every stance Republican Voters claim to care about: Trump performs worse on. But they were told he was their guy by Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, Twitter, etc. Money won the race.
They think right of progressives makes them Republican. When it really just makes them a liberal.
I think this is basically it. Americans are stupid, immoral people.
They put a proven rapist, convicted felon, and fascist in the White House after he killed a million Americans with Covid and openly talked about deploying the military on our fellow citizens.
Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.
Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.
I don’t know about that. But it might be argued that they are really bad considering they have excellent access to information and still chose the path of least resistance, that being information at appeals to their beliefs.
It’s what decades of intentional suppression of education paired with propaganda will do to people.
Let’s not forget the network of churches fomenting regressive lessons, for decades.
The bar probably does go lower than you think for humanity, but yeah we might be approaching all new lows.
Don’t underestimate misogyny / bro culture in the US. Combine that with machismo in some subcultures and the weird religious beliefs that women should be subservient and at home making babies and we’ll never see a female president at this rate.
I’m not really underestimating it, it’s clearly there and a very huge problem, but if Harris was the candidate offering to cut taxes for the rich and Trump was the candidate threatening to change half of all US Cars to electric in 10 years, then the outcome would be opposite to what it was.
If that was true then Obama would have lost and Nikki Haley would have been the Republican nominee.
Our socioeconomic situation almost 20 years ago isn’t the same as it is now. The Rich are much richer now than then, the middle class existed in much greater numbers, Russia and China weren’t (as much) actively campaigning on the whole US Population’s social media, and fossil fuel companies weren’t at risk of being phased out.
Don’t overestimate it, either. Even places where that “machismo” is in the dominant culture have managed to elect women as presidents.
You know what the real difference is? Their woman presidents aren’t useless fucking neoliberals.
Yup. Most of Central and South America have already had female leaders.
You know Canada used to make fun of America as a daily pastime. We stopped doing that and now look where we are.
I just assumed that started as a reactionary movement responding to South Park.
Don’t overgeneralize. Many of us [edit: US citizens] are not that stupid [edit: and didn’t vote for this dumpster fire].
And as one of those I don’t appreciate the random asshole insults.
Edit: Calling an entire country stupid when you can’t parse that this comment was saying that a large chunk of us didn’t vote for Diaper Donnie is very ironic.
You’re going to get a lot of random asshole insults as a Trump Voter on this instance, pal.
I didn’t vote for Trump ffs… Calling the entire country stupid is an insult to millions of people who knew better. Apparently I didn’t make that obvious enough. Yeesh.
Our country is 52.3% absolute morons, I think I was generous.
And that statement is accurate unlike the previous one.
But a lot of people in America are stupid. And it’s only going to get worse as these same people continue to vote their children out of a free public education.
Yep, that’s all true.
Let’s just say the vast majority of the country are morons
I will absolutely agree with that.
Reading comprehension and logic on Lemmy is nearly as bad as Reddit. I left Reddit for a reason and Lemmy is just turning into a communist version of the pseudo intellectual garbage heap that is Reddit .
Honestly, I feel we have a huge disinformation problem. A war really where billionaires, Russia, Iran,and China are on one side and we’re on the other. They treat it like a war while we treat it like a small infestation. So many Republicans I speak with bring up reason why they support trump that are reasonable: Better economy, Protecting children, protecting rights, protecting jobs, reducing crime.in a vacuum, cool candidate. Except that many of the strategies he utilize to accomplish those goals seems illegal or unhelpful. Even worse, who cares if he could and would accomplish those goals, He tried to overthrow the government. Yet all the Republicans I know view that as untrue. Mainly in the form of, “I don’t hear about it much, so it’s either fake news,or not really a coup”
Why? Because they get their news from faux news and social media that have focused on keeping those negative aspects of him buried. And both of those things have huge reach.they are the eyes and ears of these voters, how can they not believe their eyes and ears that tell them that Trump is great?
Until that problem is dealt with, we can’t have an informed population that votes. Instead we will have a large group of uninformed voters. It’s not their fault, they’re just some of the first casualties in this disinformation war.
“So many Republicans I speak with bring up reason why they support trump that are reasonable: Better economy, Protecting children, protecting rights, protecting jobs, reducing crime”
Except Trump has done none of these things. These people are lying to you, and probably to themselves.
That’s the point I’m trying to make(but didn’t do well). Successful Media is telling Trump can, has and will do these things . If they’re told this repeatedly, with no other sane opinions, of course they will believe it. Worse still, they’re also told views to the contrary are completely false and should be disregarded
I saved a comment from u/allmhuran posted to r/news on 2016-06-24:
"Australia has had five prime ministers in five years, the poor yanks look as though they’ll have to choose between two options both of which have more disapproval than approval, and the UK leaves the EU. It seems like a ridiculous amount of instability. One might even call it absurd.
But it’s not surprising.
You can’t feed a society exaggeration, hyperbole and propaganda for over a decade, and then claim surprise when people don’t seem to be making rational decisions on the basis of well established truth.
There’s a cost associated with not telling the truth. There’s a cost associated with polarized, adversarial public discourse. There’s a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.
It is, apparently, time to pay the piper."
I think education is a factor here as well. People collectively seemed to have started just taking any sources word as objective truth with no rationalisation or justification. The fact we now have google forcing ai answers onto people that are factually wrong or unreliable and most just don’t question it is emblematic of the problem. People lack critical thinking now.
There’s a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.
Media: good thing we’re not the ones paying the price! Continue current heading, profits ho!
Very well stated. We need to operate within this reality instead of the fantasy land created by those who will be fine either way.
And what’s the suggestion here? I’m not getting it.
They aren’t suggesting anything. They’re saying we’re poisoned and it’s gone critical.
The worst part is all of those claims can be easily debunked, but not a one of them will ever believe it.
Unless that the large portion of americas population that thinks the ultra rich are awesome suddenly stops thinking that way then it’s gonna be a difficult battle.
It’s really beyond time for this sort of disinformation to fuck off.
Harris lost because she’s a neoliberal, full stop. Scapegoating it as sexism means you learned fucking nothing and will only keep losing.
If you think sexism wasn’t a significant part of this, I don’t know what to tell you. Of course it was. Biden wasn’t better than her in any way and he won against Trump. Despite the fact that practically no one was excited to vote for him. It’s baffling you’re even questioning this.
Biden wasn’t better, Trump’s issues were just more in the forefront of people’s minds. They asked themselves “do I want more of this” and said no. Since then there have been rose colored glasses that make people think he was good for the economy and they’ve forgotten the chaos. And now the “do I want more of this” question is moving against the Democrats and a candidate that was reticent to truly separate herself from “this”.
Not really what happened. Trump kept basically the same voters. As has been pointed out 5000 times, this election was lost because millions of Democratic voters stayed home. One of the primary reasons, which is slapping us in the face, is her gender. There simply isn’t a world where sexism exists where this wouldn’t have played a not-small role.
Anyone who wasn’t fully aware that Trump is the worst candidate ever… Is to dumb to have made it to a polling station.
They all wanted a rapist in the White House.
Is to dumb to have made it to a polling station
I agree with you, but can’t pass up calling out the irony here.
Whether sexism was an important part of it or not isn’t the point.
The point is that if we allow that statement to pass unchallenged, it will take over the narrative, none of the necessary reforms will happen, and the world will continue to get worse.
Right we can only talk about one thing. Fair.
We can talk about the one thing that’s important, or we can talk about mostly-irrelevant bullshit that not only fails to solve the problem, but actively works against solving it by serving as a distraction. I mean, if you just fucking love failure and losing for some reason, I guess you could do the latter, but why?
Absurd
Any sane adult should have beat Trump. He won because 72 million Americans want fascism.
no, he won because 20 million Americans played chicken in Americas only car and we fucking lost.
Once all the smart, wealthy, moral, and ethical people flee the US that can flee the US do flee the US I’ll finally be able to get a job!
Completely agree, but I’ve been seeing so many similar sentiments on Lemmy since the election. Today I saw someone comment, almost word for word, that there was no problem with Kamala’s campaign - the issue was simply that Americans are too stupid. Someone else on a totally different post commented that this election proves the Dems could run Jesus Christ himself and half the country would still reject him. And those are just two examples. This is one of more unhinged meltdowns I’ve ever seen.
Dems could run Jesus Christ himself and half the country would still reject him
I mean, that is undeniably true, but we’ve known that for a lot longer than two days.
Dems would never run Jesus Christ because they only run sellout genocidal cartoon villains
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My bad, that was a little aggressive. Dems wouldn’t run Jesus Christ because he would be perceived as a socialist
What they meant to say was “I stayed home because I pretend to care about Palestinians, but just killed them even more rapidly” because they are a hollow fake moral warrior
I get the anger from dems against those who didn’t vote but honestly that’s more on the democratic party for not putting forward a candidate that earned those votes than anything else. Neither candidate is “entitled” to votes, just because the other candidate is abhorrent. I do think things will get considerably worse now and that’ll hopefully teach those who didn’t vote that yes that can happen and they should vote but the decision not to isn’t on the electorate, it’s the party that felt like they deserved votes they didn’t earn.
Women, immigrants, racial minorities in general, LGBTQ people, muslims, the poor, themselves, it’s pretty much everyone at this point.
I actually concluded that and that the Democrats have no fucking clue who their fucken base is. Jfc. They should all just register as Republicans if they want to keep moving right like this.
I’m certain thier base is whomever votes at this point. If the GOP dissappear tomorrow, I’m concerned they would start putting up nazi flags.
Democrats don’t really have a base. It’s not progressives, if that’s what you’re thinking, we don’t have the numbers for that kind of sway. You can see this clearly in how many House seats we hold.
If there is any base to dems, its white collar suburban soccer moms. But it’s not actually that either, they’re just one of the biggest segments.
Exactly; “Democrats” are the party of the “not Republicans”. With how far right the Overton window has shifted, that covers a LOT of the political spectrum, much of which is in opposition.
And yet, the Overton window isn’t wide enough to fight a tiny slice of window, which is “far right fascists”
That’s the point; the different groups are just as likely to fight each other as the far right, which now has an entire party to itself.
Doesnt matter anymore. Have you seen what these lunatics have been saying as potential members of his cabinet and beyond? Anyone who voted Democrat is in danger at this point. The rise of the American Reich.
Harris didn’t move right! She supported expanding the child tax credit, legalizing marijuana, codifying Roe, etc.
She did campaign with Cheney, but didn’t endorse her or promise her a position of power or adopt any of her policy preferences. The whole point was to signal “Trump is so dangerous that even the most conservative leaders are setting aside their disagreements to support me.”
Moved right on the border.
Misogyny is an easy excuse that doesn’t question the effectiveness of any of the politicians or consultants involved in the race. People forget that Biden only barely won what should have been an easy race. Now the difference between losing and barely winning is a big deal, but they all ran pretty similar campaigns trying to get the “good Republicans” while neglecting their base. Maybe Biden’s shriveled dick was the difference to get him to barely squeak past Trump while a woman wouldn’t, but none of these races should have been close. There’s a much bigger problem at play than “just don’t run women because too sexist”.
I’m with you. Some of the simplicity of this is what’s going to keep these cycles going.
Not defending bidens record here but are you really dissing an 81 yo dick? You think anyone has a girthy hog at 81?
Please don’t remind me that people actually voted for a guy who looks and smells like he died two weeks ago.
Arnold Palmer maybe.
Also, is this post serious? Because I’m assuming someone taking offense about colorful language about an old man’s penis can’t possibly be so, but it’s being played very straight that this is a real thing worthy of conversation.
Huh? I just think it’s weird to bring up as like, a burn.
We’re a mile down in a Lemmy thread, nothing here is serious.
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Oh, you’re the person who thinks I like Jill Stein for some reason. You’re clueless.
I guess you just carried water for her to spite the DNC, then?
Gotta distance yourself now.
He won by more than she lost by. It’s not an excuse, it’s just a part of the equation that cannot be ignored.
And? It’s been 4 years and a lot of factors have changed. If kamala didn’t engage with those 20 mil who felt Biden made promises he didn’t deliver and kamala has no plans to change anything then that could explain it. Blaming this purely on gender without any justification is just careless. Although I’m pretty sure the dems will see this as “women can’t win” rather than “we’re deeply out of touch and need real reform”.
No one said “purely” that’s ridiculous to begin with but also I chose my words carefully. seems like some of you really don’t want to face this for some reason
In a win as close as his, that’s not saying anything particularly significant. Biden’s win was what, 80,000 votes or so?
…if we are talking popular vote, hell no, it was several million, more than 5, which is what she lost by. If you don’t even remember this basic fact about it, why the hell make any argument at all?
He didn’t win by 5 million. Running up the numbers in California doesn’t win you the White House. He won in a few swing states by nail-biting margins.
Ok insist on comparing unlike things then. It doesn’t matter at all anyhow, if you look at the EC she lost the election by a country mile.
Lots of young women actually voted for Trump. Go figure: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/yes-trump-improved-young-men-drew-young-women-rcna179019
Saying women can’t be sexist is akin to saying black people can’t be racist. Of course they can, and I saw segments where they were interviewing Trump women at rallies and they were saying shit like women are too emotional to lead a country. It turns out people can hate themselves.
That what they mean by America hates women. It includes women too.
Internalised misogyny and all of that.
Wild.
Lol this mfer can make them into breeder slaves from Mad Max Fury Road and they’d just vote even harder for him next time.
It’s just joever, people prefer authoritarianism over freedom, even reproductive freedom or bodily autonomy, they are sheep that need to be led where to go and told what to think.
Much of America hates much more than just women, but women have got to be at or near the top of the list.
Anything except blaming her policies because those conservative policies come with a shit ton in donations…
More than one thing can be true. And they obviously were in this case.
Yup. Sadly, we can’t run some robust experiments, but I’m pretty sure Warren would have outperformed Harris by a mile.
God I hope the DNC’s fucking takeaway isn’t “must only run neoliberal men”.
I looked back over the 2020 primary data and Kamala dropped before she even got to the first vote, Warren continued to pull small groups of delegates after super tuesday. In a very real sense Elizabeth Warren beat the pants off Kamala in terms of the primary. I was really pushing for her early in 2020 because I felt she was a consensus candidate between the further left Bernie types and the centrist Buttigieg types.
She’s even wonkier than Harris and wouldn’t have connected with voters as well.
Don’t get me wrong, she’s an amazing Senator. But what makes you good at governing isn’t what makes you good in a campaign.
She was (briefly) leading the race at one point and packing large speaking venues. She had four hour lines of people waiting to get a picture with her. Wonkier doesn’t equal “unable to connect with voters”.
I’m pretty sure Warren would have outperformed Harris by a mile.
What makes you so sure? The fact that Warren lost in the 2020 primary by giant amounts? 😆
Bernie was right in 2020. America isn’t ready to elect a female president.
