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      Fascism and neoliberalism is right-wing and market based. Again, terms are purposefully obfuscated and disingenuously misused, but fascism is about privatization and deregulation (Privatisierung, in the original Nazi). While technically some working class are part of reactionary movements like MAGA, it is disproportionately either the Lumpenproletariat or not working class but what Republicans pretend is the working class (reactionary small business owners, who are working class because of some cultural marker like wearing blue jeans and liking country music or hating woke). We live in a liberal, capitalist system. So socialism is almost always, by definition, left wing and pro-capitalist and pro-billionaire politics is almost always, by definition, right-wing.

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          No, Billionaires are always going to be a byproduct of capitalism. Saying that left vs right is inconsequential and just “fighting amongst themselves” is naturalizing and justifying billionaires. The left fights against billionaires and oligarchy while the right fight for them (even if they rhetorically hate “elites” like woke baristas).

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              No, even if individuals will continue to have greed or bad traits, if you don’t have a social system that allows accumulation of vast wealth or the use of the wealth to immediately control the labor and resources of society, you undermine the social detriment of these traits. This is why systems matter, it is what traits will be rewarded, and what is allowed to be indulged rather than resisted.

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                  It is not merely wealth distribution, but the fact that in capitalism that wealth immediately translates to power over society and people’s time in a more direct way than all previous systems. And sure, I am considering new systems, that is why I took exception to your framing of it not being “left vs. right”. Nearly, by definition, Right wing is preserving a current society or regressing back to a previous system, Left wing is, by definition, about change and new systems. Left wing isn’t necessarily being urban or having dyed hair or whatever conservatives try to obfuscate with. Being anti-elite is nearly always left wing and being pro-elite is nearly always right wing, right wingers try to obfuscate and channel that resentment with lies and bullshit. Like claiming a barista is an “elite” by having a bachelors degree and pronouns, despite making minimum wage, while a millionaire business owner is “working class” because he wears blue jeans and listens to country music in his pickup truck.

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