Fight a class war, not a culture war.
And you, who thinks you are in the “upper class” by making 500k a year. You’re not, you are among the poor.
We fight the people who own billions, not you.
I refuse to believe that Elon Musk is human
Why did they photoshop the miserable Mitt Romney dinner picture
Oh my, his anguished face. This is a work of art.
because that, without context, might make someone feel sympathy for one of these ghouls.
But surely there are enough pictures out there of those ghouls together that you don’t need to create fake ones. There’s enough misinformation on the internet as it is.
libs don’t give a shit about truth. they literally can’t understand the idea. telling a liberal the truth is like reading poetry to your dog. it’s a sweet romantic idea, and maybe it makes you a good person, but only the tone actually matters.
That is exactly why its Right vs Left
It kind of is Right vs Left, tho, because Billionaires Welfare and Anti-Tax-the-Rich is a core policy stance on the Right.
Incoherent take. The right is a tool the billionaires use to take shit away from the rest of us.
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But bringing people over from the right is important and attacking them is counterproductive.
Well, when they stop attacking us for believing in human rights, maybe we can have a dialogue.
Exactly, the issues we are diametrically opposed on cannot afford compromise. You can’t compromise on whether or not trans people deserve to exist. You can’t compromise on whether all school children deserve to eat. You can’t compromise on the opposition of fascism, racism, and bigotry. These people can get on the right side of morality or they can get fucked and I’ll tell every one of them to their face now that the other shoe is dropping on it. They have been offered the open hand of reason and discussion since at least 2015. They spat in our face for a decade. Now they get the fist.
Not an excuse for mystification.
Also I’m pretty sure most right wing people consider themselves “moderate” or “independent” anyway so it’s not like they’ll feel attacked if we correctly blame the right for its crimes
Can confirm. Interview a con for my class and he was dead set that he’s a centrist. Did have a single left opinion.
You’re right and you’re wrong. The ‘right’ is a made up label for class traitors who have been tricked into supporting billionaires. It’s incredibly useful for the billionaires because they get the support and it divides the rest of us and we put our energy into the fake boogeyman instead of focusing our efforts on them.
The right are the lackeys of the owning class and will fight the left regardless of the extent to which the left limits the scope of its engagement.
Do the billionaires not use the left to their benefit?
The left is intrinsically opposed to the existence of billionaires as a matter of principle, so generally speaking, no.
How the fuck did all these dipshit enlightened centrists find their way onto lemmy???
How the fuck did all these dipshit enlightened centrists find their way onto lemmy???
That’s very respectful of you
You mean like using whataboutism in an attempt to invalidate a very real issue?
Thank you, I’ve been training my restraint and decided to put it to use in what I think is a pretty diplomatic tone.
No, they use the culture war to divide and confuse people. Not because they want minorities to be respected, but to direct hate to gay and trans people, rather than them.
Yup. Rainbow capitalism. Whatever way to pit us against each other.
Rainbow capitalism is still capitalism. What the fuck does that have to do with the left???
The left isn’t the issue, I’m saying the left has also been used as pawns. We are not beyond manipulation and we have absolutely been pitted against each other. This is a huge reason for all the infighting on the left.
Yeah that is true, but like you said, poor choice of example.
rainbow capitalism is mostly marketing towards polite liberalism. Homophobia/transphobia is their attempt to pit people against each other. Just like racism, it is not that these things didn’t exist before capitalism, but the exacerbation and use of it to divide the working class is what capitalists and reactionaries use.
You’re absolutely right, my example was not a good one. Although we are still not exempt from being used as pawns, even though we are often a little more educated about the methods that are being used to do so.
Can we cut them out of society when we cut their taxes to 0? Seems fair. Just revoke their citizenship
Eat the rich
We aren’t talking about massive tax breaks. That’s what’s insane.
Currently SS is capped at ~$180k dollars @ ~5%. That means if you earn $180k, you pay 9k in SS tax. If you earn $2 billion you pay 9k in taxes.
These greedy leeches are destroying one of the only semi-decent systems all next to no money from them personally.
The actual tax increase from trump’s expiring tax cuts is also something like 4%. Meaning these billionaires are doing all this work to save an extra $0.04 on every dollar of income.
They keep talking about the dangers and problems with debt, yet the blindingly obvious solution is a moderate increase in taxes. But instead of even broaching that subject, they are trying to also give themselves a tax cut while destroying social programs.
It’s robbery, plain and simple.
Social security isn’t a tax. It’s an insurance program and structured as such. We have to decide if there should be more national insurance programs. I’d be down.
I just started talking. Sorry you’re probably right.
I don’t understand everything that you said, but as a devils advocate. Social Security is not supposed to be tax. It’s supposed to be an insurance program.
Meaning these billionaires are doing all this work to save an extra $0.04 on every dollar of income.
$0.04 for every dollar of income doesn’t sound like much until you’re talking about a billion dollars, in which case it’s $40 million.
That’s a whole extra yacht!
I know, they might have to give up the guest private jet.
Everyone should have to pay their fair share. Hell, I bet if they just did a flat 15-18℅ tax on everyone, middle class to the uber rich then we would have all the money for the programs like SS and medicare for all.
Luigi is the only solution
It is not just saving money on taxes, but having desperate old people as cheap labor and pre-retirement people as customers for annuities. Particularly as desperate, cheap labor, since that helps push wages down for any sector that they could work in.
Culture war manufactured, class war real.
Class reductionism is a reactionary and deeply flawed analysis. The abolition of the class system alone will not bring with it the abolition of all other injustices if if no attention is given to those.
This sort of post really brings out all the concavebrained centrists and red-brown alliance types who somehow think leftists and fascists aren’t axiomatically opposed to each other, as well as the whining brocialists who are happy to oppose the hierarchies that oppress them but will throw a shitfit if anybody points out any societal problems to which they could still be contributing.
Yo man, please use terms that we can understand or explain your terms
Okay girliepop, here’s your glossary:
Class reductionism is when people act as though literally all of society’s problems could be boiled down to the class structure under capitalism. The class structure/class system is the relationship between the owning class (called capitalists) and the working class they exploit.
“Reactionary,” put very simply, is a word that describes beliefs or actions that react to efforts to improve society in an oppositional way.
“Concavebrained” is an adjective describing someone whose brain has a dented shape to it. It means stupid.
People or groups being axiomatically opposed means that they operate under values systems and thus motivations so different from each other that they cannot work towards common goals.
“Brocialist” is a colloquial term that describes a leftist who dismisses the struggles against certain social injustices, especially those of feminists. A brocialist is basically the sort of person you’d expect to engage in class reductionism.
Hierarchies are systems that place different amounts of value on different elements. In the context of a social structures, this means treating some people as more valuable than others.
A shitfit is when someone gets really mad.
the fucking left will never understand the need for fighting back in the class war. pointless to keep trying. they just don’t understand labor issues.
that is why, crash tesla stock so that Elon loan collateral will be cashed out by bank forcing Elon to pay tax.
No war but class war!
You do not have any “left” to speak of. You only have fascists and neoliberals.
Hey, we got some soc dems. Like at least 3!
Do you see a path to move the US to the left that doesn’t involve first shifting the overton window leftwards through the democrats?
You can’t abstract things to a simple continuum, centrist policies and centrist politicians are wildly unpopular with the US public (a.k.a. the DNC and most democrats) whereas someone like Bernie or AOC frequently gets disengaged or more centrist people to say “huh, well yeah actually they are right about that”.
If you look at the polling universal healthcare is very popular, leftist policies often have majority support in US when polled.
The catastrophic danger comes from thinking being more centrist is a winning strategy, the right abandoned that strategy years ago and they have been unstoppable since.
I am telling you, USians of all political stripes are mad and want to burn everything down, trying to reach people with centrism right now is batshit crazy. Reach people with honest, straightforward leftist talking points, emphasize that collective benefits and community focus, emphasize that leftists are actually serious about inclusion and equity unlike centrists.
Most importantly emphasize you are a leftist because if you try to reach someone as a centrist no matter what you say they aren’t going to trust you will fight to protect others when the time comes OR the values you claim to believe in, because I mean turn on the news, why would they believe you?
People want the status quo to be smashed, don’t sell your ideas as the status quo.
Yes, through labor struggle and organizing. I’m not convinced there are going to be elections for much longer, which means we need to organize outside of the ballot box.
I 100% disagree with that statement. I might be in a bubble, but I’m in a bubble of amazing, kind and helpful people who go out and help the homeless, volunteer, etc. Community is first.
Neoliberalism is a political and economic philosophy that emphasizes free-market capitalism, minimal government intervention in the economy, and the belief that economic freedom leads to social progress. It advocates for policies like deregulation, privatization, and reduced government spending.
I was referring specifically to your two party system and the errant belief that one of them is somehow “left” when it is a group of turbo capitalist corpo swine lobbyists which are only the better choice because they are not straight up fascist kleptocrats.
It’s kinda right and left vs everyone else
And chess isn’t good vs evil. It’s kings vs the rest of us
well, queens really, the kings are useless
