“Barnett said he found discarded sharp metal shavings near electrical systems for the flight controls at Boeing’s factory in South Carolina,” darn diversity metal shavings!
“Barnett told the BBC that he became aware of faulty installation of the aircraft’s oxygen systems, which could deprive some breathing masks of oxygen in the event of an emergency.” Darn diverse oxygen systems!
Sauce
For all the Newsweek agitprop, it should be noted that “Whiteness” isn’t clearly defined. Its a political definition that can include East Indians and exclude Poles and the Irish, depending on who is writing the law.
In a city like NY, with a very long and tawdry record on race politics, it can get confusing for a person wandering through a history exhibit to understand how and why certain ethnic cohorts gain or lose their “White” qualifier. So a museum establishing some kind of historically informed guideline to clarify can be helpful. Particularly when so much of their audience may be themselves or have relatives in their own living history who did not qualify as they do today.
I found it funny that when applying for jobs with the NYC government, Italians were not actually considered white. They were included in the affirmative action policies with other minorities. Definitely shows how the category of whiteness can evolve.
I mean, its amusing at first glance. But half my family is Italian. Quite a few of them have stories from parents/grandparents, etc about the genuinely nasty racist policies the city had towards Italians, Latinos, and Irish ex-pats - everything from redlining policies and employment blacklists to police gangs brutalizing relatives and government officials refusing to honor debts or outright stealing property unimpeded.
The social and legal justifications used are all common to the Smithsonian “Aspects of Whiteness” list above. Italians were generally described as a lazy, untrustworthy, dimwitted, and even sub-human population. They were accused of everything from vagrancy and slobbery to organized pedophilia. And that, unsurprisingly, had an impact on Italian immigrant community abilities to accrue wealth and status in the city and the surrounding areas.
That’s much less true now (although curiously not entirely absent, depending on who you talk to). But the legacy of discrimination has a real downward impact on plenty of people’s livelihoods to this day. If nothing else, there’s a ton of NYC real estate in the hands of grandchildren of kleptocrats who profited by seizing it from folks lower on the racial totem pole.
As far as political leaning goes, Newsweek is pretty much right in the center
Citing “Forbes”, a magazine owned and operated by a former Republican Presidential candidate and The Wall Street Journal, a Murdoch publication, in the center of the spectrum is… definitely one way to weight the scales. Bloomberg, a publication entirely by and for Wall Street, is center-left? Hell, the State Department’s favorite news network, MSNBC, is in the same column as Jacobin and The Intercept?
It only “looks rather likely” from the perspective of a racist. I would look to an explanation that doesn’t require conspiracy theory levels of mental gymnastics.
I saw the maga crowd bitching about woke politics being to blame when the Key Bridge collapsed, but I didn’t think they genuinely believed something so fucking braindead. Apparently I was wrong!
Why don’t you prove your ingenius “women of color saboteurs” theory? Maybe with something a little more substantial then “you don’t know where those metal shavings came from, so it’s probably woke politics.” For all the evidence you’ve presented, those metal shavings may as well have spontaneously generated.
Also if you absolutely insist on keeping up the whole racism thing, you should expect people to be rather curt with you, if not outright hostile. Wild as it is, kind society doesn’t take kindly to racists.
Lmao how fucking retarded do you have to be to think that the quality problems at Boeing are a result of hiring practices? Holy fuck dude don’t forget to breathe.
You think Boing airplanes are falling apart because of some women and black people having worked on them?
I want you to know that my 9 year old niece and I are currently laughing at you.
Incorrect. He was assassinated because he blew the whistle on management cutting corners with QA. Nothing to do with DEI hiring practices. I think you dropped this white hood…
Ah yes, that certainly is completely unrelated to management also trying to meet their DEI goals at the same time. Pure coincidence these two things happened at the same time.
A million things were happening at the same time in a company of that size and complexity. So yeah until you can prove a connection (which you haven’t even attempted to do) the rational conclusion is coincidence. You’re a rational person, right?
I obviously cannot prove a direct connection, that would require actual evidence like a work log or a video of the person doing it. Since I neither work there nor with the police I am clearly not in any position to obtain such evidence. If you’re expecting such things from a forum discussion, you’re at the wrong address. You’re looking for the court room.
But absence of proof isn’t proof of absence either, so your insistence that these things have nothing to do with each other is just as unproven as my conjecture.
Translation: “I can’t prove anything so I’m gonna blame minorities for problems until someone provides real evidence (evidence which I will ignore and continue blaming minorities)”
If you’re asserting that it can’t POSSIBLY have been a DEI hire, I’d say that requires proof as well.
All you’re saying is my evidence isn’t good enough to convict someone based on it, which I already know and have admitted. This isn’t a court of law, so speculation is certainly allowed. You don’t have to believe me, but you’re not going to change my mind either unless you can come up with a better theory.
I provided a reasonable, possible explanation with circumstantial evidence to support it. All you’ve done is call it racist, which is simply an appeal to emotion. If anything you’re appealing to ignorance by suggesting that this line of inquiry does not merit any further investigation because if proven true, it would offend a lot of people. You’re literally making the case that it’s better to be ignorant than racist.
You’re being bashed for claiming something entirely unbelievable to anyone who isn’t EXTREMELY racially biased. A literal man made of straw would add more meaning to the discourse than you have.
Please keep making a fool of yourself, it’s turning into a valuable PSA about racism.
Again, as I’ve already said, the evidence I gave isn’t causal, but you’re simply dismissing it based on the grounds that it offends you, not because you have a better explanation or even just something that would prove me wrong.
There are an infinite number of theories that cannot be proven or disproven. In the absence of any causal evidence your assertion remains irrational. For example I can’t prove you’re not a pedophile. You cant provide me with evidence that disproves you being a pedophile. Yet if I were to make a random assumption that you’re a pedophile remains, that would be irrational.
But absence of proof isn’t proof of absence either, so your insistence that these things have nothing to do with each other is just as unproven as my conjecture.
I made no such insistence. I am pointing out that there is no reason to believe those things are connected. There are and infinite uinebr of potentially connected things. Believing in any of them without evidence is irrational. Since you’re unable to even begin to provide any causal link, you are being irrational.
The evidence I have provided is circumstantial, not causal, I admit that, but it’s certainly better than no evidence at all.
Meanwhile, you’re not providing ANY evidence whatsoever, all you’re doing is reminding me of something I already know and have already admitted.
To put it in simpler terms, what we have is a crime scene and someone’s footprints leading towards and away from it. Does that mean that person did it? No, because we’re missing a murder weapon with their fingerprints on it as well. But I’d say it certainly merits further investigation. Meanwhile, you’re just burying your head in the sand because you’re friends with the suspect and don’t want to see them in jail, but you can’t give them an alibi and you don’t have any proof of their innocence.
To put it in simpler terms, what we have is a crime scene and someone’s footprints leading towards and away from it. Does that mean that person did it?
Literally nothing like this exists in the scenario you’re referring to which is why you have to resort to absurd analogies. You seem incapable of making a rational justification for your assertion.
I don’t hate myself. I don’t even hate you or any of the other people giving my shit. You are merely projecting and you should probably take your own advice.
Even with DEI practices, white straight males still hold a strong majority of the upper management positions; so whenever you hear about the evils of DEI while indulging in your daily Fox News, Daily Wire, or Newsmax, remember that the buck stops with some white straight males. Hence why blaming DEI for a decrease in quality makes no logical sense.
Most doctors are still straight white males. Most airline pilots are still straight white males. Most of the people who are making major company decisions are still straight white males.
No, companies ALWAYS want to reduce labor costs, but normally we hate them for it. With DEI, we’re giving them a way they can make it socially acceptable.
Uh, IDK, have you spent any time at all on Lemmy? Every day it’s company X did this horrible thing, company Y did that horrible thing, capitalism bad, corporations evil. Except when it comes to DEI, then suddenly everyone jumps to defend a megacorporation who seemingly literally just had a guy murdered for trying to speak out about quality control issues that may have lead to actual life-threatening accidents because it might be racist.
a megacorporation who seemingly literally just had a guy murdered
You’ve already been slapped down on this. The Boeing mechanical failures had dick-all to do with their DEI policy and everything to do with their McDonald Douglas management style.
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“Barnett said he found discarded sharp metal shavings near electrical systems for the flight controls at Boeing’s factory in South Carolina,” darn diversity metal shavings! “Barnett told the BBC that he became aware of faulty installation of the aircraft’s oxygen systems, which could deprive some breathing masks of oxygen in the event of an emergency.” Darn diverse oxygen systems! Sauce
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Jesus fuck. This whole infographic begs the question: “Do you consider Italians white?”
I’m not saying it’s the pinnacle of intellectual achievement but they DID officially put that out: https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333
For all the Newsweek agitprop, it should be noted that “Whiteness” isn’t clearly defined. Its a political definition that can include East Indians and exclude Poles and the Irish, depending on who is writing the law.
In a city like NY, with a very long and tawdry record on race politics, it can get confusing for a person wandering through a history exhibit to understand how and why certain ethnic cohorts gain or lose their “White” qualifier. So a museum establishing some kind of historically informed guideline to clarify can be helpful. Particularly when so much of their audience may be themselves or have relatives in their own living history who did not qualify as they do today.
I found it funny that when applying for jobs with the NYC government, Italians were not actually considered white. They were included in the affirmative action policies with other minorities. Definitely shows how the category of whiteness can evolve.
I mean, its amusing at first glance. But half my family is Italian. Quite a few of them have stories from parents/grandparents, etc about the genuinely nasty racist policies the city had towards Italians, Latinos, and Irish ex-pats - everything from redlining policies and employment blacklists to police gangs brutalizing relatives and government officials refusing to honor debts or outright stealing property unimpeded.
The social and legal justifications used are all common to the Smithsonian “Aspects of Whiteness” list above. Italians were generally described as a lazy, untrustworthy, dimwitted, and even sub-human population. They were accused of everything from vagrancy and slobbery to organized pedophilia. And that, unsurprisingly, had an impact on Italian immigrant community abilities to accrue wealth and status in the city and the surrounding areas.
That’s much less true now (although curiously not entirely absent, depending on who you talk to). But the legacy of discrimination has a real downward impact on plenty of people’s livelihoods to this day. If nothing else, there’s a ton of NYC real estate in the hands of grandchildren of kleptocrats who profited by seizing it from folks lower on the racial totem pole.
Great points!
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Citing “Forbes”, a magazine owned and operated by a former Republican Presidential candidate and The Wall Street Journal, a Murdoch publication, in the center of the spectrum is… definitely one way to weight the scales. Bloomberg, a publication entirely by and for Wall Street, is center-left? Hell, the State Department’s favorite news network, MSNBC, is in the same column as Jacobin and The Intercept?
Come on, dude.
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This is such a stretch, and you’re only doing it so you can be a bigot.
When bad things happen most people will look for a cause or explanation instead of just blaming black people and women.
Objection: that’s entirely unproven and merely your opinion.
That’s precisely what I’m doing. And I’m not even saying that is WAS black people or women, just that it looks rather likely.
I mean, it IS possible that perhaps, maybe, SOMETIMES they’re at fault? Or is it always straight white men that are to blame?
It only “looks rather likely” from the perspective of a racist. I would look to an explanation that doesn’t require conspiracy theory levels of mental gymnastics.
I saw the maga crowd bitching about woke politics being to blame when the Key Bridge collapsed, but I didn’t think they genuinely believed something so fucking braindead. Apparently I was wrong!
Why don’t you prove your ingenius “women of color saboteurs” theory? Maybe with something a little more substantial then “you don’t know where those metal shavings came from, so it’s probably woke politics.” For all the evidence you’ve presented, those metal shavings may as well have spontaneously generated.
Also if you absolutely insist on keeping up the whole racism thing, you should expect people to be rather curt with you, if not outright hostile. Wild as it is, kind society doesn’t take kindly to racists.
Okay, then what’s your explanation for this? And stay on topic please, the Key Bridge incident has nothing at all to do with Boeing.
that there isn’t a boogeyman to blame everything on, for starters
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I got you. I think you missed a part on your poster.
Lmao how fucking retarded do you have to be to think that the quality problems at Boeing are a result of hiring practices? Holy fuck dude don’t forget to breathe.
Ah yes, I’ll just call my opponent a retard, that’ll teach 'em.
It’s embarrassing to think I would consider you an “opponent”
You think Boing airplanes are falling apart because of some women and black people having worked on them? I want you to know that my 9 year old niece and I are currently laughing at you.
Okay, that’s fine, but it’s not going to change my mind.
Incorrect. He was assassinated because he blew the whistle on management cutting corners with QA. Nothing to do with DEI hiring practices. I think you dropped this white hood…
Ah yes, that certainly is completely unrelated to management also trying to meet their DEI goals at the same time. Pure coincidence these two things happened at the same time.
A million things were happening at the same time in a company of that size and complexity. So yeah until you can prove a connection (which you haven’t even attempted to do) the rational conclusion is coincidence. You’re a rational person, right?
I obviously cannot prove a direct connection, that would require actual evidence like a work log or a video of the person doing it. Since I neither work there nor with the police I am clearly not in any position to obtain such evidence. If you’re expecting such things from a forum discussion, you’re at the wrong address. You’re looking for the court room.
But absence of proof isn’t proof of absence either, so your insistence that these things have nothing to do with each other is just as unproven as my conjecture.
Translation: “I can’t prove anything so I’m gonna blame minorities for problems until someone provides real evidence (evidence which I will ignore and continue blaming minorities)”
You haven’t provided any evidence that would disprove my reasoning, you are merely assuming that I would ignore it.
We’re not required to provide evidence lol. You are the one making an assertion, burden of proof is on you.
If you’re asserting that it can’t POSSIBLY have been a DEI hire, I’d say that requires proof as well.
All you’re saying is my evidence isn’t good enough to convict someone based on it, which I already know and have admitted. This isn’t a court of law, so speculation is certainly allowed. You don’t have to believe me, but you’re not going to change my mind either unless you can come up with a better theory.
Your argument is an appeal to ignorance. Aka, a logical fallacy, Aka a shit argument.
How so?
I provided a reasonable, possible explanation with circumstantial evidence to support it. All you’ve done is call it racist, which is simply an appeal to emotion. If anything you’re appealing to ignorance by suggesting that this line of inquiry does not merit any further investigation because if proven true, it would offend a lot of people. You’re literally making the case that it’s better to be ignorant than racist.
So why don’t you stop wasting air?
I could ask you the same. You haven’t proven anything either, you’re just bashing me for having an unpopular opinion.
You’re being bashed for claiming something entirely unbelievable to anyone who isn’t EXTREMELY racially biased. A literal man made of straw would add more meaning to the discourse than you have.
Please keep making a fool of yourself, it’s turning into a valuable PSA about racism.
“No U” always 10 times more than yourself.
Again, as I’ve already said, the evidence I gave isn’t causal, but you’re simply dismissing it based on the grounds that it offends you, not because you have a better explanation or even just something that would prove me wrong.
Yes, I am bashing you for having at best, a morally devoid opinion. I don’t think I need a source on that
Guess that makes two of us, then.
There are an infinite number of theories that cannot be proven or disproven. In the absence of any causal evidence your assertion remains irrational. For example I can’t prove you’re not a pedophile. You cant provide me with evidence that disproves you being a pedophile. Yet if I were to make a random assumption that you’re a pedophile remains, that would be irrational.
I made no such insistence. I am pointing out that there is no reason to believe those things are connected. There are and infinite uinebr of potentially connected things. Believing in any of them without evidence is irrational. Since you’re unable to even begin to provide any causal link, you are being irrational.
The evidence I have provided is circumstantial, not causal, I admit that, but it’s certainly better than no evidence at all.
Meanwhile, you’re not providing ANY evidence whatsoever, all you’re doing is reminding me of something I already know and have already admitted.
To put it in simpler terms, what we have is a crime scene and someone’s footprints leading towards and away from it. Does that mean that person did it? No, because we’re missing a murder weapon with their fingerprints on it as well. But I’d say it certainly merits further investigation. Meanwhile, you’re just burying your head in the sand because you’re friends with the suspect and don’t want to see them in jail, but you can’t give them an alibi and you don’t have any proof of their innocence.
Literally nothing like this exists in the scenario you’re referring to which is why you have to resort to absurd analogies. You seem incapable of making a rational justification for your assertion.
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We didn’t forget, we just never invented this crazy fantasy in our heads in the first place.
As an aerospace engineer: ahahahahah. Not. Take your insecurities elsewhere. Preferably to a therapist, instead of externalizing your self-hatred.
I don’t hate myself. I don’t even hate you or any of the other people giving my shit. You are merely projecting and you should probably take your own advice.
Even with DEI practices, white straight males still hold a strong majority of the upper management positions; so whenever you hear about the evils of DEI while indulging in your daily Fox News, Daily Wire, or Newsmax, remember that the buck stops with some white straight males. Hence why blaming DEI for a decrease in quality makes no logical sense.
Most doctors are still straight white males. Most airline pilots are still straight white males. Most of the people who are making major company decisions are still straight white males.
DEI is when you outsource to the lowest bidder
Correction: it’s how you SELL outsourcing to the lowest bidder.
Normally, companies don’t want to reduce labor costs. But with DEI, we can trick them into it?
Was the problem with McDonald Douglas also the number of PoCs on payroll?
No, companies ALWAYS want to reduce labor costs, but normally we hate them for it. With DEI, we’re giving them a way they can make it socially acceptable.
Who is “we”? I’ve seen far too many folks survive a round of layoffs with a shit eating grin, because they like who got cut.
Uh, IDK, have you spent any time at all on Lemmy? Every day it’s company X did this horrible thing, company Y did that horrible thing, capitalism bad, corporations evil. Except when it comes to DEI, then suddenly everyone jumps to defend a megacorporation who seemingly literally just had a guy murdered for trying to speak out about quality control issues that may have lead to actual life-threatening accidents because it might be racist.
You’ve already been slapped down on this. The Boeing mechanical failures had dick-all to do with their DEI policy and everything to do with their McDonald Douglas management style.
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