• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Everyone knew it was bullshit when they claimed it, but even now that it’s admitted to be false, it’s not going to have any effect on governments support of their genocide in Gaza.

    The propaganda isn’t for the leaders of other countries, it’s so the voters in those countries don’t replace the leaders for funding genocides.

    I’d like to think no leader of a country is really dumb enough to still be believing any claims made by the Israeli government, but it’s hard to tell these days

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      8 months ago

      It can have effects on public sentiment which can influence leadership’s behavior. I would argue this has already happened to a notable degree.

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        Yeah Gen Z has hard time understanding why we blank checm support Israel doing genocide…

        I guess they need more Holocaust history classes to fix that!

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          Ironically I think learning deeply about the holocaust is a big contribution to my outspoken opposition to mass killings of civilians, such as by the IDF. If you are able to study history and see the overall patterns of violence and oppression then you will be more likely to speak out when you see the same patterns. Even if the perpetrators are the descendants of former victims.

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            Somebody learned the right lessons or maybe all of genz did… Prior generations learned that genocide is fine as long as my team is doing it? Good to see some change finally coming 80 years later.

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      8 months ago

      They had one false claim. I mean usually you’d expect 0 but MBFC’s bias is very obvious here and in other cases. It’s one guy’s personal project why do we take it so seriously?

      BTW from MBFC

      Despite the biased presentation, articles are generally well-sourced to credible media outlets.

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        It’s not just about false claims but also general bias. And calling Biden a white supremacist is also a false claim and stupidly biased, to the point of just being ridiculous. No sane person is going to take you seriously with such a rhetoric.

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          It’s not just about false claims but also general bias

          I’m talking about the factuality rating. I have issues with their bias system as well, but not in this case.

          Edit: Good point about the white supremacy part, though I do think it’s passable-ish for an opinion piece. Also I went to fact check their fact check and

          “According to a police source, the investigation also shows that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some festival participants,” Haaretz states.

          MBFC is just shoddy work all around, and from what I’ve seen leans slightly conservative and pro-Israel, if not directly then through its reliance on sources like the ADL.

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        Reporting genocide is a bias now. Highly suggest reading Lewis Raven Wallace’s book A View From Somewhere. It discusses how “objective journalism” silences marginalized voices and forces those writers to “see both sides” of their material reality. Media Bias metric sites are not without their own inherent bias towards the status quo. Everything is political. Including being “unbiased”. Electronic Intifada is reporting from Gaza about Gazans, they are doing great work.

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        It’s a stupid story anyway because there’s enough atrocities committed by hamas that we have clear evidence of. No reason to just parrot what Netanyahu says, who clearly tries to hyperbolically one-up stories to justify his actions. It just gives the hamas apologists some sort of “gotcha” moment.

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          It’s a stupid story anyway because there’s enough atrocities committed by hamas that we have clear evidence of.

          Are there Israeli claims older than 3 months that haven’t already been disproven?

          Because Biden is literally still talking about this one and others that have been disproven.

          So it’s pretty disappointing if he’s doing that while there’s actual evidence for other claims.

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            No idea. I don’t really follow this much, especially not what either side claims. I’ve seen both do absolute heinous acts. I’m just sick and tired of people defending those atrocities because of some sort of tribalism towards their team, or against the other team.

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              No idea. I don’t really follow this much, especially not what either side claims

              Well, you might want to stop acting like there’s mountains of evidence if you’re self admittedly ignorant of any factual evidence…

              That’s the point of “gish gallop” propaganda like Israel is using. They make a shit ton of claims that will eventually turn out to be proven false. But they’re counting on people who don’t stay informed to “feel” like there’s so much evidence some of it has to be true and not stay up to date on all the follow ups that each piece isn’t

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                I have eyes my dude. Just because I don’t take either sides propaganda for granted doesn’t mean I am ignorant about the topic. If you don’t believe that hamas brutally attacked, tortured, raped, murdered and beheaded innocent civilians then you’re a tool.

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                  I have eyes my dude. Just because I don’t take either sides propaganda for granted doesn’t mean I am ignorant about the topic

                  I’m confused, do you mean you’ve been in Gaza the last 6 months?

                  Or did your eyes see videos/articles, but you don’t follow the news enough to know when they turn out to be false? Where are you even seeing that stuff in the first place?

                  It sounds like you ignore actual journalism and just go off of social media…

                  What are your eyes seeing exactly that you can’t share with the class so it can be easily disproven?

                  And what’s the point of you just replying over and over saying there’s evidence but you just can’t show anyone?

                  How is that different than what Rudy Giuliani and the Pillow Crackhead have been doing the last couple years?