Problem: I’m being driven mad by voices speaking to me thru white noise. Need white noise to sleep
Psychiatrist today suggested:
- normal human speech has typical rhythm, cadence
- fans, white noise audio files are always looped, rhythms in it
- brain is hearing those patterns as human voices
- I need to introduce staggered rhythms to disrupt
Possibilities:
- Willie Nelson, William Shatner speak with atypical cadence. Play at same time as white noise
- phone app that vibrates atypically
- machine in room that generates atypical rhythms, vibrations
Options, ideas? I’d like not to go further insane
Idk about staggered cadence, as that kinda sounds like overengineering a solution to me. But when I’m having trouble sleeping because of thoughts racing in my head (AuDHD, common problem for me), any audio with human speech is pretty good at disrupting that. My go-to is softly spoken ASMR videos, but I’ve also fallen asleep watching chill cartoons like Futurama and 90s Batman. I’ve also had it work with audiobooks but this is suboptimal because then I lose my place.
My theory is that it works because my thoughts are like a voice in my head being spoken by my internal dialogue, and it’s hard to hear two people talking over eachother. So introducing another voice occupies the language-processing part of my brain and therefore blocks my ruminating thoughts.
So far, new ideas are Buddhist podcasts, asmr videos, futurama and 90s batman. None of which I’d consider on my own. Thank you, internet, for randomly specific variety!
If you really want a “staggered cadence”, try listening to all of the above at the same time. I’m sure it will create a relaxing soundscape for sleep!
Kind of funnily the welcome to nightvale podcast is what I listen to when I’m having trouble fallimg asleep
Is you’re open to not white noise options, I always recommend Nothing much happens podcast. I’ve been a big fan since 2019, I recommend it to anyone to at least try a couple of times
There is an app https://github.com/trynoice (F-droid, Playstore, on the web) that
‘Noice is an app that allows you to create personalised sound environments. It enables you to combine different sounds at different volume levels to create perfect ambient atmospheres. These custom sound surroundings let you drown out distractions and allow you to concentrate. You can also use it to generate a serene, peaceful aura that encourages you to relax and fall asleep.’
As well as nature sounds there are things like ‘conversation’ and ‘coffeeshop’. You might try that
OK, that was super nerdy. I’m a nerd geek, so I will definitely check that out
Dunno about staggered cadence but when I’ve been hearing voices I’ve found listening to very boring Buddhist dharma talks on podcast to help. They block out the voices and the dull, drone of the bikkhu lulls me to sleep.
Worth a try?
Very specific, wouldn’t have considered Buddhist podcasts. =) I’ll try to find some.
By the way: I read your comment about hearing voices. I’ve heard voices since childhood, was minor, infrequent. But recently stress, trauma I was having hearing voices all the time, speaking clearly. Persecution, terrorizing. Felt like I was going insane
I use TMSoft’s White Noise which runs on most platforms, or stream. It has plain white noise, yes, but it also has a wide range of other sounds that you can use (brown noise, railroad, city street, stream, etc). You can also upload your own sound, get sounds/mixes from other users, or make your own mix.
My personal mix has a mild background of pink noise, with both a thunderstorm and some rain mixed in: the pink noise filters out common background, the rain helps with masking as well, and the thunder helps me sleep through bass sounds like lawn mowers and trucks.
Yes! Exceptional nerdy tech. Thank you
Do you find the sound of rain and distant thunder relaxing? If so there are plenty of recordings on YouTube and YT music that are hours long and not loops. Search for keywords with “rain forest”.
That’s what I’ve been using. My favorite youtube channel is “relaxing white noise.” Unfortunately cuz all I can find is continuously looped audio of rain, ocean, etc, it’s the continuous loop causing the problems.
Why not just a second white noise, or other white noise adjacent sound? Even if they’re both looped they’re not going to have the same loop length and that will be a changing rhythm that way.
Been listening to combo of three audio files, white, pink and grey noise to block out all frequencies. 2 are youtube videos, and designed white noise loop I created in a sound editor program .
No matter how varied each sound source is, even in combo, there will be pattern variations that become predictable on repeat.
Kinda like how fremen walk on the sand in dune. Have to walk with no pattern, to not attract sandworms.
Update 2 days later: Many useful comments. I now have text doc filled with apps, software, podcasts, etc to research, try out.
This posted question was weird, obscure. Could’ve been ignored, ridiculed. Barely slept in 4 weeks cuz hearing voices. Desperately hoping against hope.
So, small group of random internet strangers taking question seriously, offering constructive solutions instead of ridicule? You’ve helped a lot. Thank you.
For some reason, listening to Knowledge Fight helps me sleep
It’s like falling asleep while two friends are talking on the other end of the room.
Plus Dans voice was built for lullabies.
That remind me: Gary Stadler lullabies I listen to. Very good. So new options, yes
Man, so many podcasts are awesome. Ty
There’s podcasts like Sleep With Me that occupy the same place as white noise.
Sleep with me. Never heard of that podcast, will check it out
Ocean sounds don’t exactly have a specific rhythm, and are a popular white noise that people have used to go to sleep.
Documentaries. I used to play How Stuff Works at bed time.
Audiobooks, especially text-to-speech ones. I use Pocketbook to read novels to me.
Physical activity. Something strenuous enough to physically exhaust myself once or twice a week makes it a lot easier to fall asleep and stay asleep.
Will check out pocketbook, and how stuff works. Tks
Not sure if it’s what you’re looking for, butI have a free app called White Noise lite (Android) that let’s you ‘remix’ multiple white noises by combining them. You can add up to 5 different noises at once, with customized settings that include variance. Here’s some shots of what that looks like in the app:
Perfect, free even better. Will definitely look into that.
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