This is a real complaint, and for me personally, it’s a complete dealbreaker.
There have been converters, but I don’t want to choose whether I want to charge my phone or listen to music (¿por qué no los dos?, i.e. “why not both?”). I also don’t want to add up lines of dongles for something as primitive and actively used as a headphone jack.
3,5mm jack doesn’t take much space and is used by many people, so why remove it?
For regular companies, the answer is clear: to sell you wireless devices often produced by the same companies, costing more.
But for Fairphone, a “fair” company that always shipped their phones with it, this seems like a betrayal. Failing to mention this giant point of concern is not great for a review article, either.
I really do want it because I hate being forced to buy superfluous shit that didn’t need to exist to get the same functionality I had previously. I’m also not getting a new car every friggin’ year so I still drive something without bluetooth (I also can’t just get a new radio for it) and would rather listen to my own playlists than ads on the radio.
The acceptable compromise would be packaging a 3.5mm to USBC jack with the goddamn phone. If the real reason it’s not there was because of space in the device, this practice would be standard.
Packaging the USB-C-to-3.5 doesn’t solve the problem for me. I could plug in a headphone or line out AND a charger at the same time. And yes I frequently used that. There’s are adapters that do both, but they are fiddly.
Also I will need to have that stupid adapter with me. I have many many headphones. There’s a headphone in every jacket I own (you never know when your need one). Every backpack. I then forget to bring the fucking adapter, and what use is all the depositing of headphones so I’ll always have one? I’m not adding adapters to my headphone stashes, that’s for sure.
When CDs started taking place of cassettes, most vehicles had BOTH tapedecks and CD players. They didn’t immediately ditch the old shit. They actually compromised.
Since this is obviously impractical, do you suggest buying a new car to fit the phone, then?
You came to the point of absurdity. If the car runs, and phones easily supported it through a technology that stays highly relevant and widely used, then why is it changed?
It’s not that 3,5mm jack is outdated by any means.
Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be ‘useful’ but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence.
Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact.
They said to people “we’re taking away functionality from you, but it’s a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won’t have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don’t agree,” and most people obeyed for whatever reason.
That’s a bad comparison tbh. Bluetooth audio isn’t a superior technology over wired audio (in many ways it’s inferior). The two have always been included together with no issue until one company decided to drop one of them in order to more easily sell more expensive and less durable stuff. Other companies followed like sheep.
A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality.
Those are compressed bitrates of the full 1.4mbps of a cd. Aptx hd is near lossless. You’d have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference. Which case, are you going to be listening from your phone with its shitty DAC?
You’d have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference
Sure, I didn’t say otherwise. It’s enough for most people. A compressed bitrate is just not lossless. But again, for use with Spotify, which most do and isn’t more than 320kbps, it’s plenty.
But that doesn’t negate that it’s still not better than wired.
your phone with its shitty DAC?
Totally depends on your phone, just like your BT headphones/earbuds. Not all phones have shitty DACs.
You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That’s just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device.
You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That’s just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device.
Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience.
That’s just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device.
Hardly. The quality is worse than the mp3s I downloaded from the pirate bay back in the day. Aptx hd is better but fairly uncommon. Sbc in high bitrate wounds fairly good but I’ve only come across it on linux with pipewire.
It’s a real complaint to an extent; The real issue is that the jack itself isn’t enough, to be worth anything it needs a good DAC behind it and there have only been a handful of phones ever that have had that. So the jack complaint itself is mostly a meme as yeah, the USBC splitter option would sound just as good as most jacks built in.
Is this a real complain or I’m too obtuse to understand this as a running joke?
I mean there have been usb c to 3.5 for quite a while now.
I bought 4 of these before I’ve found one that does not add background noise that hurts ears.
This is a real complaint, and for me personally, it’s a complete dealbreaker.
There have been converters, but I don’t want to choose whether I want to charge my phone or listen to music (¿por qué no los dos?, i.e. “why not both?”). I also don’t want to add up lines of dongles for something as primitive and actively used as a headphone jack.
3,5mm jack doesn’t take much space and is used by many people, so why remove it?
For regular companies, the answer is clear: to sell you wireless devices often produced by the same companies, costing more.
But for Fairphone, a “fair” company that always shipped their phones with it, this seems like a betrayal. Failing to mention this giant point of concern is not great for a review article, either.
Real complaint.
Nah, I want to be able to charge and listen to my headphones at the same time. But I listen for long periods at work.
yeah so? If you need to regularly use one of those then that is a good argument for having it in the device itself
I really do want it because I hate being forced to buy superfluous shit that didn’t need to exist to get the same functionality I had previously. I’m also not getting a new car every friggin’ year so I still drive something without bluetooth (I also can’t just get a new radio for it) and would rather listen to my own playlists than ads on the radio.
The acceptable compromise would be packaging a 3.5mm to USBC jack with the goddamn phone. If the real reason it’s not there was because of space in the device, this practice would be standard.
Packaging the USB-C-to-3.5 doesn’t solve the problem for me. I could plug in a headphone or line out AND a charger at the same time. And yes I frequently used that. There’s are adapters that do both, but they are fiddly.
Also I will need to have that stupid adapter with me. I have many many headphones. There’s a headphone in every jacket I own (you never know when your need one). Every backpack. I then forget to bring the fucking adapter, and what use is all the depositing of headphones so I’ll always have one? I’m not adding adapters to my headphone stashes, that’s for sure.
This is the same enegry as complaining about a new car not being able to play your old tapes.
When CDs started taking place of cassettes, most vehicles had BOTH tapedecks and CD players. They didn’t immediately ditch the old shit. They actually compromised.
And how long have phones and cars had bluetooth and aux?
IDK; I havent had a car with bluetooth yet.
They make Bluetooth adapters for aux jacks and tape decks.
So get a 20 year old phone to match your car?
Since this is obviously impractical, do you suggest buying a new car to fit the phone, then?
You came to the point of absurdity. If the car runs, and phones easily supported it through a technology that stays highly relevant and widely used, then why is it changed?
It’s not that 3,5mm jack is outdated by any means.
Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be ‘useful’ but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence.
Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact.
They said to people “we’re taking away functionality from you, but it’s a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won’t have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don’t agree,” and most people obeyed for whatever reason.
That’s a bad comparison tbh. Bluetooth audio isn’t a superior technology over wired audio (in many ways it’s inferior). The two have always been included together with no issue until one company decided to drop one of them in order to more easily sell more expensive and less durable stuff. Other companies followed like sheep.
With aptx codec, its nearly the same as cd quality without the hassle of cds.
A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. It’s plenty for Spotify of course.
I’m not against BT headphones, but you don’t need to remove the headphone jack for it.
Those are compressed bitrates of the full 1.4mbps of a cd. Aptx hd is near lossless. You’d have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference. Which case, are you going to be listening from your phone with its shitty DAC?
Sure, I didn’t say otherwise. It’s enough for most people. A compressed bitrate is just not lossless. But again, for use with Spotify, which most do and isn’t more than 320kbps, it’s plenty. But that doesn’t negate that it’s still not better than wired.
Totally depends on your phone, just like your BT headphones/earbuds. Not all phones have shitty DACs.
You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That’s just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device.
Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience.
With added cost for a feature few use.
Hardly. The quality is worse than the mp3s I downloaded from the pirate bay back in the day. Aptx hd is better but fairly uncommon. Sbc in high bitrate wounds fairly good but I’ve only come across it on linux with pipewire.
It’s a real complaint to an extent; The real issue is that the jack itself isn’t enough, to be worth anything it needs a good DAC behind it and there have only been a handful of phones ever that have had that. So the jack complaint itself is mostly a meme as yeah, the USBC splitter option would sound just as good as most jacks built in.
On devices that really care they use the 6mm jack anyway.