Translation: “A black man is familiar with freedom in America. Here it is, uncle Tom’s cabin.”
Republicans: The other half are guilty of something, we just haven’t got to them yet.
The takeaway here should be that poverty creates crime.
It’s always been an absolute and complete source of bafflement to me how many people don’t seem to get this. I’m a (relatively) high earner and have no hesitation voting for the most left wing candidate on the ballot, because I think it represents good value to pay a few extra percent in tax to not have to be scared walking down the street or to keep checking my home security cameras. What’s the point having wealth if I’m constantly having to protect it?
and that systemic racism, ie deliberate policies, maintain the status quo and keep black and non white communities poor, and even some white communities are kept poor.
By age 23, 49 percent of black males, 44 percent of Hispanic males and 38 percent of white males have been arrested.
America bad
unironically
Maybe we just arrest people and throw them in jail way too fucking much. Land of the imprisoned, home of the DA
I called 911 as the victim of DV, they came and arrested both of us. The system is so broken.
Arrest is different from imprisonment, it must be noted.
All of those sound insanely high. If you take a group of 10 random adult men from the US, roughly four of them have been arrested?
Is a lot of it for underage drinking because that law is so far from lived reality?
I got arrested as a kid for skipping school! I was being sexually assaulted in the school bathroom and was terrified of leaving the house, but obviously the way to solve that was cuffing me and throwing me in juvie.
Wow that’s fucked. In my country the kids going to school is the parents legal responsibility, they can actually get fined if the child is delinquent. But never would the child be arrested.
I’m very sorry that happened to you, both the sexual assault and the police treatment.
Roughly 25% of the country will be arrested, or put on probation at least once in their lives. That’s been a steady statistic since the early '90s when Clinton signed his crime bill.
Clinton signed his crime bill
I wasn’t familiar, thanks for the pointer. This rhetoric “though on crime” has been going on from before my birth it seems.
We cannot take our country back until we take our neighborhoods back. Four years ago this crime issue was used to divide America. I want to use it to unite America. I want to be tough on crime and good for civil rights. You can’t have civil justice without order and safety.
Right, but this headline says age 23… hard to believe that!
I’m betting that this counts field arrests and not just people that are brought to the station, booked, and detained. By that definition, my close friend circle in high school would have been right in line with this numbers.
I, a white cis-man, was technically arrested twice before I was 23 (once for possession of alcohol and once for possession of marijuana) but I’ve never been brought to the station or read my rights. Both times a field arrest report was filled out and I was issued an appearance ticket with a court date. This was in NY so your experiences with the same crimes might be wildly different.
I’m unfamiliar with the term field arrest. If I get this right, this is what happens when you get arrested for a misdemeanour on site, cited and then immediately let go? Possibly with a requirement of turning up to a police station for booking, or to a court date?
I read a bit of the paper, and it seems they are simply using the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth 1997.
The relevant NLS topical guide says the following:
NLSY97 youth respondents are asked whether they have ever been arrested by the police or taken into custody for an illegal or delinquent offense (not including arrests for minor traffic violations) and the total number of times this has happened.
And looking up the phrasing in the questionnaire is also exactly the same
Have you ever been arrested by the police or taken into custody for an illegal or delinquent offense (do not include arrests for minor traffic violations)?
So I guess it would depend on whether respondents consider a field arrest an arrest and report it.
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I’m betting that this counts field arrests
Does this include things like traffic stops, I wonder?
The questionnaire respondents are requested to leave those out. See my other comment. I dug up some detail.
shoplifting probably being a contributor, as people steal felony worth sometimes, or prior to them demoting the actual charges to an actual misdeameanor, even then its still an arrest.
Jesus fucking shit thats horrifying
Police state
Grim
it helps keep the for-profit business in business, as being arrested makes it you ineligible for most military services, not all but the more specialize ones will deny you based on that, it still negotiable, except for felony, or SA any sex related crimes.
And that is based on data only up to 2008. You know that’s so much worse now.
I’m in my 40s and have met, I don’t know, at least several hundred people over my lifetime more than once. At least as far as I know none of them has been in actual prison. Few have spent their night on the jail when getting too drunk (and obviously done some stupid shit while wasted) and police have “offered” them a bed to sober up but that’s it.
Obviously not in the US. I can’t even imagine society where nearly every other male you encounter would’ve been in prison at some point.
Same, except I am in the US. I suspect this is highly stratified by class, such that either nobody you know has been arrested or everybody you know has been arrested.
Yeah. I’ve (unfortunately) been in the US for the last few years. I’m at an university though, so most of my American peers come from a fairy rich (and mostly white) background. None of them have ever been arrested.
White male who grew up in Idaho here.
I have been arrested on several occasions and so have a number of my friends.
I would not consider myself poor or lower class either. Id assume your theory holds some weight, but I’d also assume it follows a lot of trends we wouldn’t expect as well.
I was reading your comment, trying to decide if you’re a liar or just that bougie. Then second paragraph. Most of my friends have been arrested at least once. I’ve been four times.
It is important here to note that in the US, prison is for sentences over one year and jail is under one year. That is not strictly 100% true but it’s good enough to sort out the jail/prison terms problem. I’ve only been to prison to do some work. It was maximum security for what it’s worth, and it was much nicer than any jail I’ve been too. People acted normally instead of totally fucking unhinged.
I’d rather do a year in prison than six months in jail.
Never been to jail or prison, don’t know anyone who has. Then again, I don’t hang out with criminals.
You ought to give it a try, we’re fun!
us does have the highest amount PRISONERS in the world, and incarceration rate. recividism is pretty high, as there is almost non-existent rehabilitation for offendors. also the fact they dont prepare inmates for the outside world years later, when things changed, so its almost impossible to get a job, so they commit another crime just so they stay in prison.
and 38 percent of white males
The headline is bad, but my expectation would have been something low like 1% for white men. 30% worse treatment for black men is bad, but it is not the expected 5000%.
Do you live in the US? Most people I know have been arrested.
Obviously not. I have read about stop and frisk and racial targeting. It never came up that at least a third of all males are arrested once. More puzzling, this doesn’t seem to be limited to some states.
It’s surreal. Why are people arrested? Are the arrests justified?
I can understand if the majority condones a police state to surpress the minorities. But if everybody gets arrested why is there not a successful movement for change? Do Americans know that it is different elsewhere?
Why are people arrested? So many reasons. Cops are stupid and racist covers a good bit. Now more than anytime since slavery. There’s also the huge prison-industrial complex which makes big bucks keeping prisons filled.
Americans do not know that it is different. I saw something once that the vast majority of Americans die within 50 miles of where they were born. I’m of the opinion that travel cures ignorance, but most people just don’t really do it. First off it can be expensive, and secondly going on a cruise doesn’t count, I don’t care if you got off the boat in Jamaica for three hours and bought some trash in a confined area. Sorry, but you haven’t been to Jamaica.
Live in US and never met anyone who has been to prison. You really need better friends.
Do you think there’s much of a correlation between quality of people’s character and whether or not they’ve been arrested? Also I never mentioned prison but there are plenty of fine folks in the big house too.
Why have so many people have been arrested in the US? This is crazy ridiculous.
i was detained a well known chain store in the early 2000s for lifting, and at the same time they also ignored a tall white guy who went through security devices which caused it to beep, they completely ignored them and focused on me.
worst if your A POC, they target certain races in certain areas. back 90s 2000s i heard they went after alot of asians in LA area because of alleged gang activity. they almost never target affluent or near affluent areas.
if you a poc walking near even certain groups of white people you will get the immediate dirty look from patrons and even the employees of certains business sometimes or even change thier body language, never seen that when a white person does that.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction —US 13th Amendment
Capitalism and Statism. That’s why
That is an insane percentage, holy crap.
also preferentially targeting Race too, and then income wise.
Damn. Glad I’ll never go to that backwards ass shithole country.
What was that? The land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy.
Is this an anti-flag lyric? It sounds so familiar
edit: wait it’s rage against the machine isn’t it
Can’t waste the day when the night brings a hearse. So make a move and plead the 5th 'cause you can’t plead the 1st.
Land of the free…
I’d like to compare with stats for other parts of the world.
US has more people imprisoned than China. Not per capita, total.
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