The US is democratic. Not that I think current US policy hates women or gays, but if it did and the policy was enacted by a democratically elected government that campaigned on it then what you are seeing is simply the people’s will at work.
The US has literally never been a democracy, it’s never even been a particularly good representative republic. We went from only allowing white landowning men to vote, to only allowing men to vote, to ostensibly allowing everyone to vote but actually suppressing voting access and manipulating representation via gerrymandering to deliberately minimize the impact of minority representation. Just like we did with slavery, we didn’t actually fix the problem we just got better at hiding it.
The people who invented democracy and gave it a name and systemized for the first time also did not allow everyone to vote. All that matters for a democracy is that whatever it defines as citizens are involved in the decisions. Even today very few believe in actual universal suffrage because that would necessarily mean that non citizens get to vote. You won’t find popular support for that so therefore we are democratically oppressing some people. And if you argue that this means that we aren’t a democracy then there isn’t a single democracy in the world and there has never been one, and that my friend I call intellectual dishonesty.
Because nowhere in the definition of democracy is universal suffrage included. This is, once more, a modern moral judgement of what a democracy ought to be. Democracy is a system, not an ideology.
Real no true communism vibes. Anarchist or ML? How about you spend more time explaining exactly how a stateless society looks like instead, maybe one day you’ll figure it out. I mean chimps beat you to the punch already but hey who knows right?!
“No true communism” in the sense that a stateless post-capitalist organizational structure has never been allowed to exist on a large scale, sure. Communist regimes have existed and have done a lot of good. You however have accomplished nothing and are well on your way to continuing your unbroken streak for life.
Nice unnecessary personal attack there at the end, it really drives the point across. Are you any closer to explaining what a stateless society looks like though? Keep at it! Don’t let those pesky primates dissuade you!
You’re simping for a genocidal empire, it’s entirely necessary to make you feel like the shitbag that you are. I don’t need to explain what the future will look like, far more qualified minds than myself have written books on the subject, and you clearly don’t care to hear their answers anyway. I’m content with improving things day by day and finding out what happens next when it happens.
Democracy is rule of the majority. The majority can vote to oppress a minority; it’s how democracy has always worked.
The US had almost 200 years of being a democracy with blacks being oppressed democratically by the majority, just to give you an example.
I don’t know where the notion that democracy is inclusive came from, but everyone who holds that view needs to read a history book. You can make the moral judgement that democracy ought to be inclusive, but that does not mean that democracy is so by design, practice or even inception. That’s more of a modern moral judgement than a feature of democracy.
Majority rule however is a fundamental part of democracy. It’s why so many claim the electoral college is undemocratic (which it is with good cause). I gave a perfectly valid example of popularly backed oppression of a minority by a majority in a democratic country so instead of saying “no-no you’re wrong” debate the issue with actual arguments. Attacking me is not an argument.
Democratic, when the leader did not get the majority of elegable votes. DEMOCRACY when studies show the government action has 0 corilation to the popular will … wow much democracy
I don’t think this meme is defending the US.
The US is democratic. Not that I think current US policy hates women or gays, but if it did and the policy was enacted by a democratically elected government that campaigned on it then what you are seeing is simply the people’s will at work.
The US has literally never been a democracy, it’s never even been a particularly good representative republic. We went from only allowing white landowning men to vote, to only allowing men to vote, to ostensibly allowing everyone to vote but actually suppressing voting access and manipulating representation via gerrymandering to deliberately minimize the impact of minority representation. Just like we did with slavery, we didn’t actually fix the problem we just got better at hiding it.
The people who invented democracy and gave it a name and systemized for the first time also did not allow everyone to vote. All that matters for a democracy is that whatever it defines as citizens are involved in the decisions. Even today very few believe in actual universal suffrage because that would necessarily mean that non citizens get to vote. You won’t find popular support for that so therefore we are democratically oppressing some people. And if you argue that this means that we aren’t a democracy then there isn’t a single democracy in the world and there has never been one, and that my friend I call intellectual dishonesty.
Because nowhere in the definition of democracy is universal suffrage included. This is, once more, a modern moral judgement of what a democracy ought to be. Democracy is a system, not an ideology.
That’s a whole lot of words just to avoid admitting that I’m right lol, try harder patriot
Real no true communism vibes. Anarchist or ML? How about you spend more time explaining exactly how a stateless society looks like instead, maybe one day you’ll figure it out. I mean chimps beat you to the punch already but hey who knows right?!
“No true communism” in the sense that a stateless post-capitalist organizational structure has never been allowed to exist on a large scale, sure. Communist regimes have existed and have done a lot of good. You however have accomplished nothing and are well on your way to continuing your unbroken streak for life.
Nice unnecessary personal attack there at the end, it really drives the point across. Are you any closer to explaining what a stateless society looks like though? Keep at it! Don’t let those pesky primates dissuade you!
You’re simping for a genocidal empire, it’s entirely necessary to make you feel like the shitbag that you are. I don’t need to explain what the future will look like, far more qualified minds than myself have written books on the subject, and you clearly don’t care to hear their answers anyway. I’m content with improving things day by day and finding out what happens next when it happens.
That is not how democracy works. You can not democratically oppress people. Was Nazi Germany a democracy then?
Democracy is rule of the majority. The majority can vote to oppress a minority; it’s how democracy has always worked.
The US had almost 200 years of being a democracy with blacks being oppressed democratically by the majority, just to give you an example.
I don’t know where the notion that democracy is inclusive came from, but everyone who holds that view needs to read a history book. You can make the moral judgement that democracy ought to be inclusive, but that does not mean that democracy is so by design, practice or even inception. That’s more of a modern moral judgement than a feature of democracy.
Majority rule is not the same as democracy. I think you are the one in need of some reading.
Majority rule however is a fundamental part of democracy. It’s why so many claim the electoral college is undemocratic (which it is with good cause). I gave a perfectly valid example of popularly backed oppression of a minority by a majority in a democratic country so instead of saying “no-no you’re wrong” debate the issue with actual arguments. Attacking me is not an argument.
Democratic, when the leader did not get the majority of elegable votes. DEMOCRACY when studies show the government action has 0 corilation to the popular will … wow much democracy
You’re losing me here…