• Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
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    1 day ago

    The people who invented democracy and gave it a name and systemized for the first time also did not allow everyone to vote. All that matters for a democracy is that whatever it defines as citizens are involved in the decisions. Even today very few believe in actual universal suffrage because that would necessarily mean that non citizens get to vote. You won’t find popular support for that so therefore we are democratically oppressing some people. And if you argue that this means that we aren’t a democracy then there isn’t a single democracy in the world and there has never been one, and that my friend I call intellectual dishonesty.

    Because nowhere in the definition of democracy is universal suffrage included. This is, once more, a modern moral judgement of what a democracy ought to be. Democracy is a system, not an ideology.

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      1 day ago

      That’s a whole lot of words just to avoid admitting that I’m right lol, try harder patriot

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        24 hours ago

        Real no true communism vibes. Anarchist or ML? How about you spend more time explaining exactly how a stateless society looks like instead, maybe one day you’ll figure it out. I mean chimps beat you to the punch already but hey who knows right?!

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          21 hours ago

          “No true communism” in the sense that a stateless post-capitalist organizational structure has never been allowed to exist on a large scale, sure. Communist regimes have existed and have done a lot of good. You however have accomplished nothing and are well on your way to continuing your unbroken streak for life.

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            21 hours ago

            Nice unnecessary personal attack there at the end, it really drives the point across. Are you any closer to explaining what a stateless society looks like though? Keep at it! Don’t let those pesky primates dissuade you!

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              16 hours ago

              You’re simping for a genocidal empire, it’s entirely necessary to make you feel like the shitbag that you are. I don’t need to explain what the future will look like, far more qualified minds than myself have written books on the subject, and you clearly don’t care to hear their answers anyway. I’m content with improving things day by day and finding out what happens next when it happens.