Progressive change from domestic conservatism can only happen from internal civil resistance, not bombing the fuck out the country to force a regime change
The US has plenty of domestic conservative policies, do you think the US should be bombed until they become progressive? No, obviously because that’s completely insane and simply an after-the-fact justification for chauvinism.
Israel, a fascist regime, does target civilians and civilian infrastructure. The Dahiya Doctrine as already been threatened to be used on Iran as their goal regime change to work at the behest of the US/Israels interests in the region.
If you want no nukes in the region, then you should be advocating for the removal of the numerous nukes Israel has.
Iran on the other hand, is a government born out of revolutionary resistance against a brutal dictatorship put in place by western forces (the US), so those western forces killing hundreds of civilians via bombing campaigns won’t do anything other than reinforce the populace’s support for the government despite their opposition to certain domestic policies.
In addition, Iran’s response is both retaliatory and focused on militarytargets which is the correct way to cripple a fascist regime. Meanwhile, western governments are still not only trading with a fascist regime committing genocide, but actively funding them with military aid
And how is that better than the actively genocidal regime of religious fanatics actively making the world an even worse place the West is supporting? Iran makes the world a better place by opposing Israel, irrespective of their other actions, and I don’t want that one holdout of resistance to be crushed by the West and their rabid dog. If nukes are what it takes for that, so be it.
Iran, Hamas, and Ansarallah are basically the only checks on Israeli aggression, and the same libs who opposed any attempt to exert electoral pressure to cut their arms shipments are now salivating over the thought of clearing out Israel’s enemies such that they would have no obstacles to rolling out the gas chambers.
No. I don’t know that. You should Google antisemitism in 2025, and give me one reason to take you in good faith. Ffs you’re supporting the Islamic Republic. Are you that asphyxiated from smelling your own farts? Its the fucking Islamic Republic. These are not good people. If you cared about fucking people, you want to see the people of Iran out from under their tyranny. You’re disingenuous and full of shit.
Look it has to be the US, the US is the only nation who has shown themselves to be untrustable with nuclear wepons, not only being the only nation to drop them and have them detonate in a war, but also during the cold war accidentaly dropping them all over and by some stroke of luck while merphy was sleeping none of them went off even when the safties where not engaged.
We’re getting there we’re getting there. The president doesn’t need to believe in anything but filling his pockets to be a prime religious leader. I don’t think most cult leaders believe what they tell their followers, do you?
Trump enacts or supports a great lot of whatever the US fundies want. Women’s rights in the US don’t mean a lot now and will mean a whole lot less going forward, and a lot of that is carried by religion. I told my American friend in Januari not to panic, she still had time to get out, they would not turn the US into Iran in a month or two.
Things are going down that road faster than I believed and I am relieved to know she has been able to get out of the US today.
What I’m saying is that Trump doesn’t even pretend to be religious. The Christians that vote for him don’t think he is either. It’s purely transactional, he gets their vote, he puts policies in place that they like.
You must not have seen much of the world if you think US women rights are bad in the US. Outside of the abortion issue, I don’t see how the current administration has made any moves to curtail women rights. The states might be doing some shit, but if their constitution allows it, and the people living in the state voted and keep voting for the people these laws then what can I tell you? That’s democracy baby.
As far as I can tell women in the US are really second class citizens, who can -for the moment - still vote and own property , but those things are being dicussed as stuff to remove by the conservatives in power. The anti -trans measures taken are a direct attack on women who now face the threat of having to prove they’re “real” women whenever some creep feels like getting them to strip or doesn’t like them competing in sports or going to the toilet. After abortion, contraception is now on the table to be removed.
You must not be living in the real world to think that women in the US are ok under the current regime. Sure you can compare with Iran or Afghanistan, but those seem to be the great examples to follow for the conservative evangelicals.
I suspect Iran will change soonish, Afghanistan… is taking things further down the road to oblivion every day.
You can’t make claims like these without proof. So please show me proof that there is serious discussions in legislative circles to pass laws to that effect. But even then unless those laws are passed, my statement still stands.
On to the transgender, and more specifically transwomen issue.
Transwomen have pretty much the same rights as anyone else. I’m not gonna engage in the mental gymnastics of that particular topic so I won’t respond to replies but I’ll lay out my opinion on the matter even though I know that I’m wasting my time and I’ll get labeled transphobic: transwomen enjoy all the rights afforded to them by our laws as they are afforded to everyone else. What they do not have right now is widespread absolute social acceptance. I’ll posit that it is simply not desirable to force that through the state. To put it simply, whether transwomen are allowed to play in women’s sports or not should not be up to the government but rather the people participating in the sport, and in the same way, whether transwomen are allowed in women’s bathrooms or not should be up to the women that use the bathroom. Now that second one has its fair share of issues so I understand why it’s not really a solution. I think the real best solution is to not have gendered bathrooms at all, and the realistic solution is to be self aware and use the bathroom of the gender you most resemble.
I also think that no amount of rhetoric will convince the broad population that transwomen are the same as women, especially since it requires the aforementioned mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion.
The only thing you said that makes sense is to get rid of gendered bathrooms. That would solve so much.
I don’t follow you at all on the mental gymnastics thing.
The proposals for laws against contraceptives are easily found by google as are the results of trans hatemongering and laws on women in general. If certain politicians and their support network didn’t make a point of campaigning on trans (and women) hate not a lot of people would care if a girl was assigned male at birth.
We already have the fanatical religious regime with nukes, Iran having nukes (which, by the way, is not in any way confirmed) would simply counterbalance that. And either way, if Iran is so close to making nukes, then there’s already no time to prevent them from making one using military force. The only way to prevent this (again, very hypothetical) possibility was always diplomacy, which would require the West to not shit all over Iran like they’ve been doing for decades.
True on your first point, but their religion aligns better with liberal values so they get a pass. But excellent point.
There is a way to stop them, Israel is doing it. You kill all their scientists, generals and leadership and the facilities where this is being developed.
I don’t defend Israel actions in Gaza, but I think their actions towards Iran are very much justified in the grand scheme of things. Do I wish we could solve this without death and destruction? yes, but I also don’t trust that Iran will act in good faith and will stop developing the weapons even if they pretend to reach a diplomatic solution. The only way to stop them is to defeat them in such a way that they cannot recover.
“Liberal values” like having an explicitly religious/ethnic state, not having due process, having second class citizens, not respecting international law, etc. Yup. Sounds liberal to me. Maybe I don’t remember hewbrew school too well but I don’t think this was covered.
I did say “aligns better” not perfectly. I’m not defending them anyways, im just saying if I have to choose between one or the other, I know which one I prefer.
Because the West is such a force of good in the Middle East that someone being able to stand up to them is a bad thing?
If that someone is a misogynist, homophobic, murderous regime of religious fanatics hellbent on making the world an even worse place, yes.
Progressive change from domestic conservatism can only happen from internal civil resistance, not bombing the fuck out the country to force a regime change
The US has plenty of domestic conservative policies, do you think the US should be bombed until they become progressive? No, obviously because that’s completely insane and simply an after-the-fact justification for chauvinism.
Bombing worked all fine against Nazis, no? What about Imperial Japan?
You get Israel is the fascist power here that represents the Nazis or imperial Japan here, right?
And no, Iran is not a fascist regime doing lebensraum via violent military expansions, unlike Israel.
If anything, you’re arguing to bomb Israel like what was done to Nazi Germany or Japan, which I still disagree with.
The Bombing of Dresden did not ‘work’ for regime change anyway. Nor were the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki for the surrender of the Japanese Empire.
Israel, a fascist regime, does target civilians and civilian infrastructure. The Dahiya Doctrine as already been threatened to be used on Iran as their goal regime change to work at the behest of the US/Israels interests in the region.
If you want no nukes in the region, then you should be advocating for the removal of the numerous nukes Israel has.
Iran on the other hand, is a government born out of revolutionary resistance against a brutal dictatorship put in place by western forces (the US), so those western forces killing hundreds of civilians via bombing campaigns won’t do anything other than reinforce the populace’s support for the government despite their opposition to certain domestic policies.
In addition, Iran’s response is both retaliatory and focused on military targets which is the correct way to cripple a fascist regime. Meanwhile, western governments are still not only trading with a fascist regime committing genocide, but actively funding them with military aid
What - bombings absolutely worked despite being you know evil and brutal. Ask any historian.
Didn’t realize the US is planning to invade Florida.
America?
And how is that better than the actively genocidal regime of religious fanatics actively making the world an even worse place the West is supporting? Iran makes the world a better place by opposing Israel, irrespective of their other actions, and I don’t want that one holdout of resistance to be crushed by the West and their rabid dog. If nukes are what it takes for that, so be it.
Iran, Hamas, and Ansarallah are basically the only checks on Israeli aggression, and the same libs who opposed any attempt to exert electoral pressure to cut their arms shipments are now salivating over the thought of clearing out Israel’s enemies such that they would have no obstacles to rolling out the gas chambers.
Anyone but the Jews, amirite? Go Iran! No human rights for citizens!
Get out of here with your hasbara shit. This isn’t about Jews and you know it.
No. I don’t know that. You should Google antisemitism in 2025, and give me one reason to take you in good faith. Ffs you’re supporting the Islamic Republic. Are you that asphyxiated from smelling your own farts? Its the fucking Islamic Republic. These are not good people. If you cared about fucking people, you want to see the people of Iran out from under their tyranny. You’re disingenuous and full of shit.
I don’t think anyone is the good guy. But I certainly don’t want a fanatical religious regimes with nukes.
Funny that I can’t tell if you’re talking about the US or not
Look it has to be the US, the US is the only nation who has shown themselves to be untrustable with nuclear wepons, not only being the only nation to drop them and have them detonate in a war, but also during the cold war accidentaly dropping them all over and by some stroke of luck while merphy was sleeping none of them went off even when the safties where not engaged.
If you think the US is anywhere near Iran, you need to go outside and touch grass. The President is not even religious himself.
We’re getting there we’re getting there. The president doesn’t need to believe in anything but filling his pockets to be a prime religious leader. I don’t think most cult leaders believe what they tell their followers, do you?
Trump enacts or supports a great lot of whatever the US fundies want. Women’s rights in the US don’t mean a lot now and will mean a whole lot less going forward, and a lot of that is carried by religion. I told my American friend in Januari not to panic, she still had time to get out, they would not turn the US into Iran in a month or two.
Things are going down that road faster than I believed and I am relieved to know she has been able to get out of the US today.
What I’m saying is that Trump doesn’t even pretend to be religious. The Christians that vote for him don’t think he is either. It’s purely transactional, he gets their vote, he puts policies in place that they like.
You must not have seen much of the world if you think US women rights are bad in the US. Outside of the abortion issue, I don’t see how the current administration has made any moves to curtail women rights. The states might be doing some shit, but if their constitution allows it, and the people living in the state voted and keep voting for the people these laws then what can I tell you? That’s democracy baby.
As far as I can tell women in the US are really second class citizens, who can -for the moment - still vote and own property , but those things are being dicussed as stuff to remove by the conservatives in power. The anti -trans measures taken are a direct attack on women who now face the threat of having to prove they’re “real” women whenever some creep feels like getting them to strip or doesn’t like them competing in sports or going to the toilet. After abortion, contraception is now on the table to be removed.
You must not be living in the real world to think that women in the US are ok under the current regime. Sure you can compare with Iran or Afghanistan, but those seem to be the great examples to follow for the conservative evangelicals.
I suspect Iran will change soonish, Afghanistan… is taking things further down the road to oblivion every day.
You can’t make claims like these without proof. So please show me proof that there is serious discussions in legislative circles to pass laws to that effect. But even then unless those laws are passed, my statement still stands.
On to the transgender, and more specifically transwomen issue.
Transwomen have pretty much the same rights as anyone else. I’m not gonna engage in the mental gymnastics of that particular topic so I won’t respond to replies but I’ll lay out my opinion on the matter even though I know that I’m wasting my time and I’ll get labeled transphobic: transwomen enjoy all the rights afforded to them by our laws as they are afforded to everyone else. What they do not have right now is widespread absolute social acceptance. I’ll posit that it is simply not desirable to force that through the state. To put it simply, whether transwomen are allowed to play in women’s sports or not should not be up to the government but rather the people participating in the sport, and in the same way, whether transwomen are allowed in women’s bathrooms or not should be up to the women that use the bathroom. Now that second one has its fair share of issues so I understand why it’s not really a solution. I think the real best solution is to not have gendered bathrooms at all, and the realistic solution is to be self aware and use the bathroom of the gender you most resemble.
I also think that no amount of rhetoric will convince the broad population that transwomen are the same as women, especially since it requires the aforementioned mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion.
The only thing you said that makes sense is to get rid of gendered bathrooms. That would solve so much.
I don’t follow you at all on the mental gymnastics thing.
The proposals for laws against contraceptives are easily found by google as are the results of trans hatemongering and laws on women in general. If certain politicians and their support network didn’t make a point of campaigning on trans (and women) hate not a lot of people would care if a girl was assigned male at birth.
We already have the fanatical religious regime with nukes, Iran having nukes (which, by the way, is not in any way confirmed) would simply counterbalance that. And either way, if Iran is so close to making nukes, then there’s already no time to prevent them from making one using military force. The only way to prevent this (again, very hypothetical) possibility was always diplomacy, which would require the West to not shit all over Iran like they’ve been doing for decades.
True on your first point, but their religion aligns better with liberal values so they get a pass. But excellent point.
There is a way to stop them, Israel is doing it. You kill all their scientists, generals and leadership and the facilities where this is being developed.
I don’t defend Israel actions in Gaza, but I think their actions towards Iran are very much justified in the grand scheme of things. Do I wish we could solve this without death and destruction? yes, but I also don’t trust that Iran will act in good faith and will stop developing the weapons even if they pretend to reach a diplomatic solution. The only way to stop them is to defeat them in such a way that they cannot recover.
“Liberal values” like having an explicitly religious/ethnic state, not having due process, having second class citizens, not respecting international law, etc. Yup. Sounds liberal to me. Maybe I don’t remember hewbrew school too well but I don’t think this was covered.
I did say “aligns better” not perfectly. I’m not defending them anyways, im just saying if I have to choose between one or the other, I know which one I prefer.
The one committing genocide?
How many nukes do you think Israel, an apartheid ethnosupremacist state committing genocide as we speak, has?