You can’t make claims like these without proof. So please show me proof that there is serious discussions in legislative circles to pass laws to that effect. But even then unless those laws are passed, my statement still stands.
On to the transgender, and more specifically transwomen issue.
Transwomen have pretty much the same rights as anyone else. I’m not gonna engage in the mental gymnastics of that particular topic so I won’t respond to replies but I’ll lay out my opinion on the matter even though I know that I’m wasting my time and I’ll get labeled transphobic: transwomen enjoy all the rights afforded to them by our laws as they are afforded to everyone else. What they do not have right now is widespread absolute social acceptance. I’ll posit that it is simply not desirable to force that through the state. To put it simply, whether transwomen are allowed to play in women’s sports or not should not be up to the government but rather the people participating in the sport, and in the same way, whether transwomen are allowed in women’s bathrooms or not should be up to the women that use the bathroom. Now that second one has its fair share of issues so I understand why it’s not really a solution. I think the real best solution is to not have gendered bathrooms at all, and the realistic solution is to be self aware and use the bathroom of the gender you most resemble.
I also think that no amount of rhetoric will convince the broad population that transwomen are the same as women, especially since it requires the aforementioned mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion.
The only thing you said that makes sense is to get rid of gendered bathrooms. That would solve so much.
I don’t follow you at all on the mental gymnastics thing.
The proposals for laws against contraceptives are easily found by google as are the results of trans hatemongering and laws on women in general. If certain politicians and their support network didn’t make a point of campaigning on trans (and women) hate not a lot of people would care if a girl was assigned male at birth.
You’re conflating two issues. Women’s reproductive rights are one thing and transwomen hate are another. I agree that curtailing reproductive freedom is a transgression on women’s rights, but compared to what goes on in the rest of the world America is in a better place than most nations. Not to say that you should just accept it, but I also don’t think it’s fair assessment that this means “America hates women” because hating women looks a lot different than what goes on here.
The mental gymnastics are the root of the conflation of these two issues because the basis of it is that transwomen are exactly the same as women, but you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone outside the internet who really believes that. And I think that if you do an analysis devoid of ideology or moral judgement you’ll come to the conclusion that Transwomen and women are not the same thing.
No, it has nothing to do with conflation of the issues, it’s that women -trans and afab alike - get attacked because and forced to humiliate themselves to prove they’re real. If you want to see what happens in a real world example that got a lot of press look at that female boxer at the olympics. And it’s stuff like that that gets legislated in the US. You just refuse to see it. Meanwhile the regime removes every mentions of female leaders and scientists in things like the military and NASA. But that doesn’t bother you at all.
You can’t make claims like these without proof. So please show me proof that there is serious discussions in legislative circles to pass laws to that effect. But even then unless those laws are passed, my statement still stands.
On to the transgender, and more specifically transwomen issue.
Transwomen have pretty much the same rights as anyone else. I’m not gonna engage in the mental gymnastics of that particular topic so I won’t respond to replies but I’ll lay out my opinion on the matter even though I know that I’m wasting my time and I’ll get labeled transphobic: transwomen enjoy all the rights afforded to them by our laws as they are afforded to everyone else. What they do not have right now is widespread absolute social acceptance. I’ll posit that it is simply not desirable to force that through the state. To put it simply, whether transwomen are allowed to play in women’s sports or not should not be up to the government but rather the people participating in the sport, and in the same way, whether transwomen are allowed in women’s bathrooms or not should be up to the women that use the bathroom. Now that second one has its fair share of issues so I understand why it’s not really a solution. I think the real best solution is to not have gendered bathrooms at all, and the realistic solution is to be self aware and use the bathroom of the gender you most resemble.
I also think that no amount of rhetoric will convince the broad population that transwomen are the same as women, especially since it requires the aforementioned mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion.
The only thing you said that makes sense is to get rid of gendered bathrooms. That would solve so much.
I don’t follow you at all on the mental gymnastics thing.
The proposals for laws against contraceptives are easily found by google as are the results of trans hatemongering and laws on women in general. If certain politicians and their support network didn’t make a point of campaigning on trans (and women) hate not a lot of people would care if a girl was assigned male at birth.
You’re conflating two issues. Women’s reproductive rights are one thing and transwomen hate are another. I agree that curtailing reproductive freedom is a transgression on women’s rights, but compared to what goes on in the rest of the world America is in a better place than most nations. Not to say that you should just accept it, but I also don’t think it’s fair assessment that this means “America hates women” because hating women looks a lot different than what goes on here.
The mental gymnastics are the root of the conflation of these two issues because the basis of it is that transwomen are exactly the same as women, but you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone outside the internet who really believes that. And I think that if you do an analysis devoid of ideology or moral judgement you’ll come to the conclusion that Transwomen and women are not the same thing.
No, it has nothing to do with conflation of the issues, it’s that women -trans and afab alike - get attacked because and forced to humiliate themselves to prove they’re real. If you want to see what happens in a real world example that got a lot of press look at that female boxer at the olympics. And it’s stuff like that that gets legislated in the US. You just refuse to see it. Meanwhile the regime removes every mentions of female leaders and scientists in things like the military and NASA. But that doesn’t bother you at all.