• thericofactor@sh.itjust.works
    1128·
    2 days ago

    Downvoted for insinuating protests should be violent to work, which is playing into the administration’s cards to declare martial law.

    • Libra00@lemmy.mlEnglish
      272·
      2 days ago

      So let me get this straight, you’re worried about giving the fascists who have shown zero compunction about lying and making shit up at literally every turn a justification for being fascists? They’ve been spinning non-issues into crises and fabricating bullshit whole-cloth the entire time, why do you imagine they care whether their reasons are legitimate or not? Do you think they would just stop being fascists if everybody was super chill? Someone else refuted that idea far more eloquently than I can::

    • PunnyName@lemmy.world
      283·
      2 days ago

      Peaceful protesting can work especially if you have 3.5% of the population consistently protesting.

      https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world

      But violence also works. People have died to make 40 hour work weeks, minimum wage, child labor laws, health laws of all kinds. The LA riots of the 90s were a net gain for the city.

      Violence isn’t always the answer, but it’s an effective one when other avenues don’t work.

      ETA: billionaires will never let you vote away their power.

    • Pogogunner@sopuli.xyz
      211·
      2 days ago

      Do you believe that 100% of people, out of millions, will not be violent while they can see what is happening with this government?

      Do you believe the government will not resort to agent provacuteurs to get the outcome they desire?

      I think you’re correct that the government wants to declare martial law, but I also believe that some violent act will occur somewhere, and it will be used against the people.

    • Goun@lemmy.ml
      151·
      2 days ago

      Sorry, but I don’t think you’re gonna end this system with peaceful protests.

      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        4·
        1 day ago

        Well, yeah, but, see, we can’t give them an excuse to do something radical, like bring the marines in.

        Like, whoever those guys in camo who pointed rifles at me on the way to the grocery store yesterday were scary enough.

    • 01011@monero.town
      9·
      2 days ago

      Protests need to pose a threat of something greater than people shouting to cause a real conundrum for those in power.

      • katze@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        22·
        2 days ago

        And that something greater isn’t violence, because any dictatorship would be happy to wipe your ass with violence that no civil protest can match, and the whole world would refuse their support too once the protest becomes violent. We’ve seen it too many times. I know this is new for Americans, and honestly, it’s kind of fun reading and seeing all that. It’s like watching a child make its first mistakes. However, there are many people and nations who have gone through this, you should at least study their experiences.

        • whalebiologist@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          There are no consequences present for the criminal actions taken by members of the elite class; it stands to reason that reminding them that they are still beholden to us, the lower members of society, even if the justice system is not working, is the best course of action.

        • 01011@monero.town
          1·
          1 day ago

          I think you are naive in pretending that the threat of violence does not play a role.