• Opisek@lemmy.world
        1·
        8 hours ago

        I never had any issues with npm. Moved to bun nowadays and still going strong. If I want to install something, I install it, and then it works.

        Setting up anything with pip however…

        • Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          6 hours ago

          The only thing that sucks about npm are when package dependencies are not updated and dependency hell becomes very real, but that’s not really the fault of the package manager.

          Yeah, fuck virtual environments and different Python versions.

    • mmddmm@lemm.ee
      6·
      1 day ago

      Yep, it’s the one starting everything.

      And doing nothing else. And still something manages to no be right.

    • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      19·
      2 days ago

      C++ is home sick, currently the doctor (compiler) is not sure whether it’s got the flu or a terminal cancer.

      • epicstove@lemmy.caEnglish
        14·
        1 day ago

        terminal cancer

        “I’m sorry, you’ve been diagnosed with :()::&;:”

        “You have a couple seconds to live.”

    • palordrolap@fedia.io
      261·
      2 days ago

      As at least one nautically themed childrens’ book surely has it: C is for crab.

      Coming at programming sideways feels more like a Haskell or Prolog thing, though.

      • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
        11·
        2 days ago

        Apple is for ADA

        Ball is for BASH

        Crab is for C

        Dog is for D

        Elephant is for Ecsmascript

        Fox is for F#

        Goat is for Go

        House is for Haskell

        Igloo is for

        …okay I got stuck there.

            • anomnom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              3·
              9 hours ago

              I thought it was a cup of coffee? A hipster barista in 90’s Memphis style illustration would be most accurate I think.

              Damn, I went searching online for some examples and got nothing that was really from back then. Just shitloads of AI vaporware slop. Time to dig out my old design mags I guess.

              • frezik@midwest.social
                11·
                8 hours ago

                That would be the natural assumption, but Sun didn’t do it. I think there is a logo for books, but not one by Sun/Oracle.

            • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
              4·
              1 day ago

              There are dozens of us! Millions of devices and dozens of us know about Duke!

              Fun fact, Duke is released to the public. I forget in what way exactly, but Oracle freed them (him? it?).

            • AeonFelis@lemmy.world
              1·
              9 hours ago

              Monkey is for MoonScript

              N is for Node.js

              O is for Objective-C

              P is for Pascal

              Q is for QBasic

              R is for R

              S is for Swift

              T is for TypeScript

              U is for …

              • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
                1·
                39 minutes ago

                Umbrella is for UnrealScript

                Van is for VimScript

                Water is for Webassembly

                Xylophone is for Xod

                Yacht is for YASS

                Zulu is for Zig

                Okay, I had to consult Wikipedia’s list of programming languages for some of those.

    • Rednax@lemmy.world
      9·
      2 days ago

      I mean, at the end of the day, if you really understand your language of choice, you know that it is jusf a bunch of fancy libraries and compiler tricks of top of C. So in my mind, I’m a fully evolved programmer in a language, when I could write anything I can write in that language in C instead.

      • Rose@piefed.socialEnglish
        5·
        2 days ago

        Or, rather, most compiled languages are just syntactic sugar on top of assembly, and that’s especially true with C. (Oh, you can use curly brances and stuff for blocks? That’s sure easier to read than the label mess you get with assembly.)

      • nialv7@lemmy.world
        8·
        2 days ago

        It’s not what you can use that language to do - all general purpose languages are Turing Complete, so what you can do with them is exactly equal. It is about what the language will do for you. Rust compiler will stop you from writing memory unsafe code, C compiler cannot do that.

        • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
          1·
          1 day ago

          Fun fact, some languages are not turing complete and I believe people would still consider them programming languages. They’re typically targeted at making mathematical proofs.

        • qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website
          6·
          2 days ago

          …are Turing Complete, so what you can do with them is exactly equal.

          But they’re only equal in the Turing complete sense, which (iirc) says nothing about performance or timing.

        • Rednax@lemmy.world
          51·
          2 days ago

          But how does the Rust compiler do that? What does it actually check? Could I write a compiler in C that does this check on a piece of Rust code?

          C is so simplictic, that if I can write a piece of functionality in C, I must understand its inner workings fully. Not just how to use the feature, but how the feature works under the hood.

          It is often pointless to actually implement the feature in C, since the feature already has a good implementation (see the Rust compiler for the memory safety). But understanding these features, and being able to mentally think about what it takes in C to implement them, is still helpfull for gaining an understanding of the feature.

          • jj4211@lemmy.world
            3·
            2 days ago

            Could I write a compiler in C that does this check on a piece of Rust code?

            Well yes, but that code has to be written in Rust. The human has to follow rules to give the compiler a chance to check things.

            C is so simplictic, that if I can write a piece of functionality in C, I must understand its inner workings fully. Not just how to use the feature, but how the feature works under the hood.

            I don’t think that’s particularly more true of C than Rust or even Golang. In C you are frequently making function calls anyway for the real fun stuff. If you ever compile a “simplistic” chunk of C code that you think is obvious how it would compile to assembly and you open up the assembly output, you are likely to be very surprised with what the compiler chose to do. I’ve seen some professional C developers that never actually had a reason to fully understand how the stack works, since C abstracts that away and the implications of the stack don’t matter until you exceed some limitations.

  • lobut@lemmy.ca
    31·
    2 days ago

    Not a word of a lie, I saw a “segmentation fault” error in JavaScript.

    Can’t remember how we resolved it, but it did blow my mind.

    • jj4211@lemmy.world
      11·
      2 days ago

      Technically any language runtime can end in a segmentation fault.

      For some languages, in principle this shouldn’t be possible, but the runtimes can have bugs and/or you are calling libraries that do some native code at some point.

      • burlemarx@lemmygrad.ml
        1·
        1 day ago

        Yup, can confirm. We had a wrapper to a C++ library using JNI, so whenever this library crashed so did the entire JVM.

    • sbv@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      23·
      2 days ago

      I feel like Rust would be some complaint from the compiler saying that some apparently unrelated struct can’t be Send/Sync for some inscrutable reason. Or something about pinning a future.

      • CEbbinghaus@lemmy.world
        451·
        2 days ago

        I would disagree. Especially since unlike npm every part of cargo was through through with all the experience and knowledge gained from npm, pip, nuget & co.

        I have a LOT more problems with npm over cargo. Also it’s 1 tool and not 100 different tools to do the same job (npm, pnpm, yarn, bun, deno, etc…)

  • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
    31·
    2 days ago

    C trying to take the shortest path to the goal.
    Would probably have won (and broken the universe), if the referee didn’t exist.

  • grue@lemmy.world
    19·
    2 days ago

    This implies that Javascript will get moving in the correct direction once it finishes installing dependencies, but it’s just going to get fucked with incorrect behavior that doesn’t even have the courtesy to throw an actual error.

    • jj4211@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 days ago

      incorrect behavior that doesn’t even have the courtesy to throw an actual error.

      To be fair, this can be said of C. A C executable only really forces a crash out when you royally screw up beyond the bounds of your memory. Otherwise functions just return a negative value and calling code that never bothers to check just keep on going.

      Golang is similar, slightly mitigated that if you are assigning any return value from a function, you must also explicitly receive an error and you know full well that you are being lazy if you don’t handle it. Well unless you use a panic/recover scheme but golang community will skewer you alive for casually suggesting that and certainly third party libraries aren’t going to do it that way.