I was looking up footage of the ICE LA thing the other day and about 2/3 comments are just “HELL YEAH! THIS IS WHAT I VOTED FOR! KICK THESE CRIMINALS OUT!”
Holy shit 
After WWIII, China needs to put the west under international tutelage and a heavy denazification process. No political agency for at least 50 years while the re-education takes place on a societal scale.
literally 90% of the pop needs it
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do you know what class is
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https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/
say hi to Adrian Zenz for me
Certainly it was class consciousness that is causing China to ethnically cleanse its Uyghurs population. They must just to be too low income to be worth helping, so sterilizing them all will produce class equality right?
Stop spreading these disgusting lies
Get out of your own asshole.
if i was going to ethnically cleanse a minority population, i would not exclude them from a population control measure that i enacted on the majority population for decades
I’m sorry were you trying to make a lemmy.world account and somehow get lost and end up here?
this comment is kind of buried so you didn’t get in-depth rebuttals, but I want to point out that if you use the search function on hexbear and search Xinjiang or Uighur you’ll get pages and pages of discussion and citations digging into all the claims that have been made in the west. The sterilization claim, for example, comes from an extremely misleading study by Adrian Zenz which used mathematical sleight of hand to drastically inflate the number of IUDs being applied in Xinjiang https://web.archive.org/web/20220908012316/https://twitter.com/abovetheclouds/status/1404918115423633414
Amazing how the Uyghur population goes up each year despite being ethnically cleansed. Hopefully they can teach Palestinians how to generate more people while being eliminated
This is a horrendous rebuttal. The Palestinian population has, in fact, gone up since the Nakba, and quite often this fact has been used to dismiss the policy of apartheid and ethnic cleansing that the Zionist entity employs.
If you want to argue against nonsense claims about China’s policies regarding its ethnic minorities, then focus on concrete facts, such as the lack of any corroborating evidence that there is a genocide happening. If you want to compare it to Palestine, instead compare the overwhelming flood of footage and primary source evidence of the atrocities being perpetrated even under Internet blackout and blockade, and how it would be comparably impossible for there to be a targeted policy of genocide within China that didn’t have any footage or photographic evidence in the modern age.
Raw population number is itself a terrible argument against violent repression and discrimination (Palestine is not the only example of a violently oppressed people whose population has grown, either)
Raw population number is itself a terrible argument against violent repression and discrimination (Palestine is not the only example of a violently oppressed people whose population has grown, either)
Raw population numbers is a terrible argument, but relative population numbers is not. If the percentage of the total Chinese population that is Uyghur is increasing over long sustained periods of time, then that is indeed evidence against ethnic cleansing and genocide. As is China exempting the Uyghurs for years from the one-child policy, there’s literally a stronger case that China ethnically cleansed the Han majority than there is for Uyghur genocide when looking at the population numbers and policies.
Palestinians for example, despite increasing in total population during certain periods (not since Oct 7th, 2023 though - now we have a total population decrease) has been decreasing in relative population in Occupied Palestine since the nakba. Thus you could determine ethnic cleansing was happening by just looking at the relative populations.
That’s still not a great metric of ethnic cleansing. Relative populations of white people in Canada are decreasing, does that mean there is ethnic cleansing of white Canadians? Of course not. The same also goes the other way: an exploited group’s relative population increasing does not mean they are not exploited. Population levels are not on their own a very useful metric for trying to understand whether a group is being oppressed.
There are much better arguments to use that are clear indicators of oppression/systemic violence, since population on its own is not inherently correlated to racial discrimination. It’s so much more effective to point to, as you mention yourself, the exclusion of ethnic minorities from the one-child policy, or the increase in life expectancy, the elimination of absolute poverty, the increase in health care, cultural/religious protections, civic engagement, etc in Xinjiang (or other regions with large minority populations) to dispel myths about Chinese targeting/elimination of minority populations.
I don’t think the person I’m responding to would consider Palestinians as being “ethnically cleansed” before operation al-Aqsa flood. Has the Palestinian population in Palestine gone up since then ?
Oh they probably wouldn’t, I’m just saying that I have seen this literal argument, that if the entity is trying to get rid of Palestinians why is their population increasing, as a way to refute the oppression of Palestinians pre-2023. So to use it in this case is just not a strong argument, because that isn’t really a metric of oppression.
Much clearer to point out the increase in living conditions, education, employment opportunities, health care, transit, places of worship, cultural protections, political engagement, etc. and the decrease in street violence and poverty, in Xinjiang, which is something that absolutely at no time has ever occurred for Palestinians.
when’s the last time missiles landed in Urumqi?
Hey guys what if we use state authority to root out fascism? Idk sounds like fascism to me
Reichwing a-holes are easy to deal with; punch 'em, block 'em, ignore 'em. It’s the blue-heart, pearl-clutching, shitlibs that drive me nuts. They swarm a site with their righteous indignation; comment negatively on one and a hundred more attack. A comment about not voting for a politicians who supports genocide suddenly becomes accusations that you’re a Trump-loving racist. Liberals ruin any site the touch.
So when I first moved to db0 I was exposed to hexbear for the first time. Some of the funniest takes on Lemmy are here. But you guys are thin skinned. No criticism allowed.
“Oh fuck I said some dumb shit and now I’m getting called out, time to act like everyone around me is just easily offended!”
Where’d you get that photo of me?
Using words you don’t understand to describe situations you have no knowledge of isn’t criticism
There’s more to life than can fit in a little red book.
you didn’t know what the word reactionary meant. Like politics 101 you learn as a baby. Maybe shut up and listen
You were taught politics as a baby? Dark way to grow up.
Hey how’s fighting fascism going for you?
Kapital clap back. You can make 3 volumes with that kind of material.
Folks are we so buried in irony our jabs look like compliments?
You really thought you ate with that one
The fact that it crossed your mind means I did.
do you know what class is
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WizardOfLoneliness at least responded to your argument. It was hardly a polite response, but they did address and counter your underlying point. The moment you were challenged, you had no defense. All you could do was spit out snide insults. Your beliefs are built on a foundation of popsicle sticks and stale crackers.
it’s not thin skinned to bully people for liberal, proto fascist or downright reactionary takes
Ok, into the mineshaft these people go, like Josip Bro Tito did.
The first option was a compromise.
Man it’s not everyday you get to see a live reaction of a liberal seething over something you said explicitly with the intent of rage baiting. Thank you
My unsourced opinion is that people who have the time to write YouTube comments, and just in general have the time to post social media garbage, are people with petite bourgeois backgrounds. I imagine it’s some fucking boomer in his McMansion in dickwad, Illinois.
Wikipedia editing has really beaten this into me. Some people have way more time to post bullshit than I do.
Same with the type of people who call into radio shows. Though you have plenty of working class chuds who waste what little free time they have getting mad over political articles
Bet half those comments are from bot farms as well.
The almost cookie cutter nature of the statements as if they got a template and started to write similar versions or exact copies all in around the same time period.
Dead internet theory.
Bot farms invade social media to hijack popular sentiment (cw
coded) every acusation is a confession yaddaGovernments, financial influencers, and entertainment insiders are using data center-like facilities full of phones to push narratives fabricated through fake social media engagement.
YouTube is genuinely worse than 4chan. Obviously it’s going to depend on the channel and video. But on most vids, they like to pretend they’re being “rational” or whatever the fuck while spouting off nazi shit. At least with 4chan, they’re upfront about their chuddery.
Honestly it’s like reddit in that someone will say some wrong, fucked up shit, and then someone else will come in and ‘correct’ them with different and just as wrong, fucked up shit, they will argue for abit, and then someone else will come in and be like “Hey now stop fighting, the truth is somewhere in the middle!”. Bleh
clown to clown communication
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4chan is one of the best social media sites simply because it doesn’t have upvotes
the entire population is also way more lucid (either fully out nazi or not) and you don’t have to engage in this grey area of “I uhh errrr hate ILLEGALS”
Basically any local tv news broadcast is a hive of nazis. I think they are all coordinating with the police to get stories out quickly and the viewership is usually receptive to racist police perspectives, and the channel is happy to cater to that for ratings.
At least some of that is likely astroturfing from bot farms
Let’s build our own bot farms
id be down for it but they would shut that down so quick.
Any popular app has this problem. Instagram is even worse and so is Facebook with TikTok full of Andrew Tate brain rot.
As a social media manager for my org’s local branches Instagram, don’t get me started.
No Meta, I don’t want to hear Peter Griffin saying “I hate n-words” for the 50th fucking time while a Family Guy clip plays. Instagram is like the anti-RedNote if that makes sense with how toxic It is. I hate that I was basically peer pressured to use It.
I was logged out, and I watched some shorts.
It was about how Nazi’s had a protocol to shoot their higher ups if ever captured
The comment section called them heroes, and how they had patriotism, how human they are, and not a single mention that, well, were Nazis.
I would have never expected this type of response in comments on a video that you can see whilst not logged in, millions of views and not a single person debating if they can be considered heroes
I disagree. By mainstream social media standards, Youtube comments aren’t as bad as its peers. Youtube comments were probably one of the few places where you could rather easily find pro-Palestine comments before October 7. Meanwhile, it’s still an uphill battle for Facebook and Reddit. If nothing else, Youtube is more international, which means less Anglo nonsense.
yeah youtube comments are way more tame than facebook and even reddit on non-lib topics
there’s still a certain brand of “american news” video that just gets all the murican right wing mob going tho
There is nothing of value in that hive of scum. The only legacy or mark they leave on this earth is a skidmark.
Google is evil, so what do you expect if its bot farmers.
How many are bots?
We are all under psychological warfare and using bots to make it seem that most people are fine with horrible behavior is part of it.
The purpose is to make it seem like most people are ok with it, so it looks like to you are almost alone with your opinions.
If you are interested in psyops in general, there is a lot of info online about the term. I think most people are not really aware of it. Some countries have psy-op agencies to influence public opinion, like USA and Russia and China.
