From the article: The FBI and CIA have both asserted they think Covid most likely originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China, which was conducting risky experiments on coronaviruses in the years leading up to the pandemic.
I remember when you’d be called a traitor and a racist when you said stuff like this back during the pandemic.
Funny how the truth always eventually comes out, huh?
Lemme guess Lemmy’s reply to all this: “It doesn’t matter where it came from!”
So if it doesn’t matter, then why were you all so mad when people said it was probably released from Wuhan Institute of Virology back in the early days of the pandemic?!
Man, Lemmy doesn’t care about what is said, they only care who says it.
LMAO
More from the article since you all will refuse to read it: The German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) carried out a secret investigation into the origins of Covid nicknamed Project Saaremaa during the pandemic, sharing the findings with the US in December 2024.
Investigators found unpublished dissertations from 2019 and 2020 that allegedly discussed the effects of coronaviruses on the human body.
Additionally, uncovered materials revealed Chinese scientists had ‘an unusually large amount of knowledge about the supposedly novel virus available at an unusually early stage.’
Based on the materials BND agents found and analyzed, they used a ‘Probability Index’ to measure the reliability of information, which determined the lab-leak theory was ‘probable’ with an ‘80 to 95 percent’ certainty.
Robert Redfield, former CDC director when the pandemic erupted, also accused American and British health agencies of shutting down concerns over potential lab leaks.
The previously told DailyMail.com he is ‘100 percent’ convinced Covid was the result of scientists becoming infected while carrying out high-risk experiments to boost the infectivity of bat viruses amid low biosecurity in Wuhan labs.
AND THIS:
What did Fauci get wrong? From telling people not to wear masks to claiming vaccines stopped infections:
-Don’t wear masks, do wear masks: As global concern for Covid was surfacing in March 2020, Fauci told Americans that there was ‘no need’ to wear a face mask. He said they may only help people ‘feel a little better’, and ‘might even block a droplet’ — but would not provide good protection. Less than a month later, he was forced into an embarrassing climbdown after it emerged the virus spread via droplets in the air.
Dr Fauci later insisted he advised people not to wear masks to ensure there were enough available for hospitals and healthcare centers. (So he admits he fucking lied about not needing masks because he wanted hospitals to have them first! Why did he lie? He could have just said that in the first place.)
-Covid did not come from a lab: Dr Fauci has also repeatedly insisted that Covid did not leak from a lab in China. He called the theory a ‘shiny object that will go away’, and brushed aside claims from other top experts as an ‘opinion’.
Dr Fauci has now backpedalled, saying instead that he keeps an ‘open mind’ although insisting that it remains ‘most likely’ that the virus spilled over from animals to humans.
-Funding Wuhan lab: In 2014, Dr Facui’s agency issued a $3.7million grant to EcoHealth Alliance, which some allege was used to support gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
I didn’t just read your post article, I read the article linked within it (which is what you’re actually quoting here - maybe you should have posted that article?).
Based on the materials BND agents found and analyzed, they used a ‘Probability Index’ to measure the reliability of information, which determined the lab-leak theory was ‘probable’ with an ‘80 to 95 percent’ certainty.
So we’re taking the word of a foreign spy agency cosplaying as academic researchers?
Actual scientific research and probability assessment points to Covid 19 being much more likely to be a zoonotic transfer from the Wuhan wet market. We can’t rule out a lab leak, but neither can you rule out a wet market - and yet that’s exactly what you’re trying to do.
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Additionally, uncovered materials revealed Chinese scientists had ‘an unusually large amount of knowledge about the supposedly novel virus available at an unusually early stage.’
Are intentionally misleading. Of course China had enhanced knowledge of the virus - it originated there. It is also widely known that China did not publish most of the information they had, and only selectively released a very limited amount of data to the public.
China took tons of samples from the wet market, hyped their own paper that was going to claim proof it wasn’t from the wet market, but only released data they thought wouldn’t prove it did. However, researchers managed to glean significant indication that it did come from the wet market based on the limited data available. It wasn’t the best indication, because the type of data that would show that was withheld by China, but it was still strong enough that they wrote a paper on it. The Chinese paper remains unpublished, along with its data. The data China did release on public servers, the stuff used in the paper above, was promptly removed from Chinese servers as soon as the researchers started asking them about it.
China have done what they can to cover up the fact that it came from the wet market. China’s official stance is that it didn’t come from China at all.
This here is and has always been nothing but a political witch hunt from the extremist far right, exploiting China’s lies and molding them into your own.
So just to be clear, you think that it came from wet market and didn’t leak from a lab, right? You do not think the virus leaked from a lab. That it was just a natural thing that happened in the wet market, then swept the world from there. Right? Just wanna be clear…
Yes, as per the paper I linked in my comment above. Also, as per every other similar respiratory virus that has had threat of turning into an epidemic, they all involve zoonotic transmission.
You really think this was some unique and special thing that never ever happens in nature?
I just wanted to make sure I was clear on where you stand. Because it seems more and more people are now open to it being released from lab. I think that if it weren’t so politically hot, we’d have more clear answers.
I lean towards it being leaked from the lab. You put way more trust in China than I do. lol
But I do think we’ll find out eventually. I’m patient. I’m fine waiting for proof either way. :)
