• NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    The fuck are you talking about? Hypnosis techniques are bullshit pseudoscience, except in very specific clinical settings with trained therapists. And even then, it isn’t foolproof. You cant actually hypnotize people like in the movies.

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      Hypnosis absolutely works, but not on everyone, maybe only few, and not anything like people think. I’ve seen it done, copied it, got the same results on two different women. Maybe I’ll try my wife tonight! I could go on for awhile, but one test almost knocked me over, literally.

      Hypnotized my gf, copied the stage guy’s initial technique, told her she was stiff as a board, like a statue. Tipped her over and fuck me, barely caught her.

      Now if you think that’s bullshit, I’d invite you to replicate it any way you choose. But here’s the rub, your subject most hold perfectly still while held at a 45° angle to the floor. No muscle strain, no quivering, LOL, as if anyone can do that consciously.

      There was other amusing tricks. Told her Star Wars was playing on the wall. She happily watched for a couple of minutes, “So, what’s going on now?” She described a scene I had totally forgotten. I should mention this was in 1990, we had only seen it in theaters or a rare viewing on broadcast TV. None of us could afford a VCR. :)

      Or the time I took her back before she was born. OHHH NO! I was trying some Bridey Murphy shit, different times. She got confused looking, mumbled a little, suddenly spouted, “SNOO!” Startled hell out of me! We had no clue WTF that was. Later her sister related a story about a snow storm when she was 2 and that’s what she called it.

      Plenty of other anecdotes you may write off, but try the statue trick. See how it goes.

      EDIT: Back to the post above, hypnotism works exactly as OP describes. That is the exact way to get someone in a suggestible trance.

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          6 hours ago

          Absolutely not. I triggered a toddler memory, nothing more or less. Damned interesting.

          Oh! Shit. Sorry. You were looking to debunk me with some clever word twisting.

          “Yes! I brought her back to a time before she was BORN!”

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            6 hours ago

            I’m not trying to twist anything, and it was hardy clever. You merely said something impossible and was digging into it. I didn’t catch the reference.

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            1 day ago

            Since your brain takes on average 200ms to even process visual input, you’re, at a minimum, 200ms behind “true reality”. What’s your point? How is this at all relevant to the conversation?

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          Hypnosis is actually quite useful for digging up old memories that the subject doesn’t consciously remember.

          Edit: ITT a bunch of people who don’t know anything about hypnosis other than unrealistic depictions in media.

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            I’ve all but given up talking about it. Yes, it’s real. Yes, it works. No, not like Hollywood has shown us.

            I still find the “tipping” anecdote to be the most convincing. Guess you would have to experience it to believe. When the stage guy did it to her, him and his assistant placed her head on a chair with her ankles on another, and she was perfectly still and calm.

            We could put that down to stage tricks I missed, but having done similar IRL, well, I experienced it. Going to hypnotize my wife and video the thing.

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              As it continues:

              She got confused looking, mumbled a little, suddenly spouted, “SNOO!” Startled hell out of me! We had no clue WTF that was. Later her sister related a story about a snow storm when she was 2 and that’s what she called it.

              My younger siblings were definitely aware of funny family anecdotes that happened before they were born. It’s not unreasonable that the memory she was recalling was a recounting of that story.

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      How do you think cult leaders get people to follow them? We’re talking about a lot of people who are very smart, accomplished and with degrees.

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        If you think very dumb people can’t get degrees you’ve never been to college.

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          Just because Trump is dumb doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the ability to manipulate a large percentage of the population with his public speaking. It’s more than the public liking the hate because otherwise Desantis would have won the primary.

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          Okay, let’s say I’m dumb and they’re dumb. He’s still using techniques to put you into a trance to get you to believe what he’s saying.

          Now I have to look for that video. Get ready if I find it, I’m posting it everywhere. And yes, I’m implying something. If I go back and forth more than twice with someone, it’s for a reason.

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        They find willing people who want to believe them. Having degrees doesn’t mean someone doesn’t want to think for themselves, which is why a lot of very knowledgeable scientists keep their faith and religions.

        Cult leaders filter out the people who don’t go along with their shit as well. They don’t just go up to random people on the street and hypnotize them to become followers.

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          Trump does this in one way BY WRITING LIKE THIS on his crap social media. It’s like the nigerian princes filter (MILLIONS DOLLAR ZRE WATING FOR YUO)

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          That’s true too. I agree with that. I’m one of those. Even now, after all of the horrible shit he does, when I listen to him at normal speed, I can kind of understand what his point is. It’s horrifying.

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            I have no clue how you come to that conclusion. He is grating in almost every way especially his voice. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him say anything that was genuinely kind… he only talks in absolutes and gives no details. To me that means he’s just pulling shit out of his ass, which coincidentally is what his mouth looks like when he talks. He’s so disingenuous that I don’t know how anyone believes anything he says. On top of all of that he just straight up lies all the time about verifiable things, and even after it’s pointed out to him he still continues the lie.

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        They’re good orators, and very charismatic. Doesn’t require hypnotism, which as I said is pseudoscience.

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          Is meditation and psychiatry pseudoscience then? I think you’re going to have to source that, lol.

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            Are you for real? You actually think culture leaders are hypnotizing people? This has got to be the dumbest conversation I’ve ever had.