My money (while I have it) is that this is going to be the most lasting damage of Trump’s presidency. Piss off the world and demonstrate we’re unreliable economic partners. They don’t want our debt anymore and dump their holdings/new purchases at auction. Servicing debt is already around 15% of All federal spending. DOGE targets are nothing in comparison.
Debt can get very expensive, and we’ve gotten used to paying very little for it. Most people aren’t considering how bad this can get - I hope someone with power has been
Trump struts around driveling about how everyone is ripping off the US left and right when in fact we have a stranglehold on most of the world, favored status almost everywhere we go, and structural advantages we forced on the world and have been milking for decades.
God willing it’ll all change soon.
Doge’s cuts can’t event cover Doge’s costs, let alone anything else, let alone all the following damages resulting from those cuts.
You didn’t really believe it was meant to cut anything, right? It was always meant to divert funds. Wasn’t some crazy sum of money “lost” by DOGE like a month ago? 😅
Oh yeah, it’s straight up theft.
Absolutely. Republicans don’t realize just how tenuous our status on the world stage, and thought it was still the 1950s. With everything they’re doing, we’re absolutely cooked for decades to come.
With everything they’re doing, we’re absolutely cooked for decades to come.
That implies we’d ever recover and this isn’t just the permanent end of American dominance.
Sentiments like yours are probably the same sorts of things some British folks were telling themselves after WWII as their empire slipped away.
That implies we’d ever recover and this isn’t just the permanent end of American dominance.
Oh no, you completely took the wrong implication out of this.
“We’re cooked for decades” meaning that we’re absolutely fucked, but it might not be awful after a few decades. I have no allusions that the American hegemony will ever return.
i doubt thier low information voters will even look this deep, the gop? probably thought trump wouldnt go this far with the tariffs.
Many advisors have.
Many debt hawks in Congress have too.
But it’s not populist policy because the concept is too complex, so it’s never politically tenable. :/
How is this too complex? Isn’t ‘fiscal responsibility’ a classical republican platform? I would have assumed most (especially older) voters are already familiar with the topic.
Isn’t ‘fiscal responsibility’ a classical republican platform?
Hence classical Republicans got swallowed by MAGA, and no one is listening to Democrats ramble on.
If policy doesn’t fit in an angry Tweet or a Tiktok-length video, it (on aggregate) doesn’t stick. That’s just how it is :(
The dumping isn’t actually occurring in the traditional sense; central banks typically hold short-term maturities (around 2 years) between them for stability. Japan is the primary foreign holder of us debt. In reality, there’s no need for them to sell off these assets. They can simply wait until they mature, as selling would negatively impact their own investments. On top, they could decide to not participate in new auctions or request higher yields at those auctions.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/246420/major-foreign-holders-of-us-treasury-debt/
china for sure has been
Oh god. What happened today?
Please explain the significance of this to someone who’s never bought a bond but has dug through a couch to find spare change for groceries.
US Government Bonds are referred to as “risk free debt” because it is seen as the safest investment in existence. The US has never missed a payment in the whole history of the country.
Because of that all interest rates are related to the bond rate. People are getting nervous that US bonds are no longer trust worthy so they are demanding higher interest rates. This is terrible for the economy because those are the floor of interest rates. Meaning the cost to borrow is going up along with the cost of every thing else.
The lack of triple A status seems to indicate the debt is most definitely not risk-free.
I always would argue with my finance professors that calling it risk free was stupid given that most governments default on their debt eventually, and the US is probably no different
They’re only the floor because they’re seen as risk free. “Why lend someone money for less than what the US government is offering you? The government is always gonna pay you back, after all”. If that mentality changes then treasury bonds will no longer be the floor, because you’d rather lend the money to someone else than the US government.
Not that this isn’t disastrous for the US. Increased taxes, cuts to medicare/medicaid/military, a government default, or a mix of all three are an inevitability. The US government can probably keep paying interest payment costs with more debt for a while, but not forever. These movements in the bond market takes us closer to the end of the USA’s debt spree.
Donald Trump is dismantling the US and I can’t even enjoy it because he’s an asshole.
Boring, dumb, ugly timeline…
In short, if the government plans to spend a lot, and people worry about prices going up, bond yields rise. This can make borrowing more expensive for everyone
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Government Budget: When the government makes a plan for how to spend money (the budget), it can include a lot of spending on things like roads, schools, or healthcare Or Tax cuts or Big Beautiful Bill
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Rising Bond Yields: If people think this spending will cause prices to go up (inflation), they want more money back for lending to the government. So, they ask for higher interest on bonds, which is called a higher yield.
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Why It Matters:
- More Expensive Loans: If bond yields go up, banks might charge more for loans (like for houses or cars), making it costlier to borrow money.
- Investing Choices: People might choose to invest in bonds instead of stocks if they think bonds are safer or offer better returns.
Eli5 version:
Sam likes candy, and in the past, Sam has been very good at paying kids back for candy with a little bonus for doing so. Sam wants more candy, but Sam has lately been acting weird and unreliable, so no one wants to give them any because they aren’t as confident that they will get paid back. Sam is now offering to give back even more in the future than his usual amount in the hopes that someone will give him candy. Sam is still acting pretty sketch, and getting more sketch every day.
Then Sam needs to start resorting to force and/or threats of force to ensure his access to candy. Don’t bother stealing from the candy store, but beat up weaker kids and take their lunch money to buy candy, with the clear implication that any resistance in the future will lead to more extreme violence.
That’s just taxation. Which is something Sam really really hates. Easier to just borrow money forever. It’s risk free, after all.
No, taxation is beating up people he lives with. I’m suggesting force against those he doesn’t care about.
Also, risk is a factor.
If you lend money to your flaky cousin, you might want more interest to cover the risk of him never paying you back. If you lend money to your twin sister who has never missed a single thing in her life, maybe half a percent will do.
Well, the US just started moving into flaky cousin territory after two centuries of reliable sister.
So I’m gonna go from a 27% interest rate on my emergency credit card that is always at its limit to, what, like a 35% interest rate?
Ballpark Yeah but it will not happen overnight.
Is this why BTC is breaking new record highs as well?
Yes. Lack of trust in dollar due to the fiscal shenanigans
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5.023%. goddamn. I know they were purposely trying to trigger a recession, but it actually went over 5%.
I wonder what the massive over-leveraged asset will be this time.
Large Vehicles purchased with 7 year loans.
check out the supply vs demand number trends for houses, especially in the south.
As far as I can tell, everything reports a supply gap. It is decreasing in the south, notably.
That would imply demand is driving real estate prices up. That’s not going to be an overleveraged asset, as far as I know Residential Mortgage Backed Securities are not nearly as exposed as they were in 2007. I have a suspicion that Commercial Mortgage Backed Securities are over leveraged, but I have no way of proving that.
It could be what you’re implying is that the broad ownership of housing is inflated on purpose to drive prices up, and that something will make residences an unattractive investment. I don’t know what that something could be - as the only thing that’s a safer investment thatlln residential real estate is probably gold?
Hm? So? Seems like there is zero correlation to Trump getting into office.
Today’s 5% hit is due to The big beautiful bill
It’s correlated with the end of US QE and the FED trying to fight inflation. But Trump is now in charge of fighting that growth, not of adding to it.
LOL, Good one! 🤣
Look at the graph instead of blindly following the emotions of others. Where is the correlation supposed to be?
Sure, just try telling me shit like this didn’t have any effect:
https://newrepublic.com/article/191367/trump-treasury-default-bond-market
Look at the graph. It does not matter what you believe. There is no anomaly in the past 6 months.
The UK lost our AAA credit rating and we’re not spiralling into decline and irrelevance at all!
I think that train (i.e., “Decline-of-the-UK-Express”) started after WW1, if I’m recalling the statistics portion of my contemporary history class in university.
Yes but the GBP is not the reserve currency of the world (any more).
Bond, James Bond Market.
Curious how this fits into his crypto scheme. Family friend is obsessed with it and I just know he’s gonna regret it
I WISH CAPTAIN SENSIBLE WASN’T AN ANTI MASKER DURING COVID
Wot?
Learn about the bond market. Like if China just sells all of America’s debt, we’re fucked. This whole system is debt slavery. They say, oh, you shouldn’t be spending money, you don’t have blah, blah, blah, you’re bad with money, credit score, nah. This whole economy runs off of irresponsible spending. Even conservatives are silly because they’re not conservative, and liberals are not even liberal. We need new words. We need a better definition of what goes on in this shit hole. But it’s nothing what they tell you in school.
once a lifetime, twice a day/if you don’t mask thats A-OK!
Once more, from the top?
