• gearheart@lemm.ee
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    9 hours ago

    I keep seeing news and posts intentionally omitting information.

    Did the people on the ship get hurt? Or is it the people on the bridge?

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    18 hours ago
    • This is the ARM Cuauhtémoc.

    • The injured people were on the ship. The Brooklyn Bridge appears to be okay and has been reopened.

    EDIT: As of this writing, there appear to be differing numbers from differing sources. The original article title when I submitted this had 20 injured; it’s been changed to 19. An article on the New York Post lists 23. The Wikipedia article originally listed 23 injured with 3 critically-injured (though someone apparently just vandalized it and some other Wikipedia in-the-news articles to jack it up to 35).

    EDIT2: Now the Post article is saying that two are dead.

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      18 hours ago

      Video of this is crazy.

      searches YouTube

      https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dEL7vnQ6HEM

      Yeah, there are people hanging in the rigging afterwards.

      EDIT: Multiple of the shots on the ship’s Wikipedia page have people lined up in the rigging when entering/leaving port, so it might be something that they do on that ship as kind of a show for the people in the port, not sure.

      I know that US aircraft carriers at least sometimes have people lined up evenly at railings all the way around facing outwards when doing the entering/leaving port, have seen pictures of that. So might be something of a tradition spanning navies.

      EDIT2: Yes, it is, and apparently the standing at the railing derives from what the Mexican seamen were doing in the rigging:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manning_the_rail

      Manning the rail is a method of saluting (or rendering honors) used by naval vessels. The custom evolved from that of “manning the yards”, which dates from the days of sail. On sailing ships, crew stood evenly spaced on all the yards (the spars holding the sails) and gave three cheers to honor distinguished persons. Today, the crew are stationed along the rails and superstructure of a ship when honors are rendered.

      The United States Navy prescribes manning the rail as a possible honor to render to the President of the United States and for the heads of state of foreign nations. A similar but less formal ceremony is to have the crew “at quarters” when the ship is entering or leaving port.[1] Manning the rail is also the traditional way to honor the USS Arizona Memorial when it is passed by all U.S. Navy, U.S. Coast Guard and U.S. Merchant Marine vessels. More recently, as foreign military vessels are entering Pearl Harbor for joint military exercises, foreign sailors have participated in the traditional manning the rails.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yard_(sailing)#Manning_the_yards

      When coming into port, especially during the Tall Ships’ Races many modern square riggers will ‘man the yards’. All the crew not required on deck to handle the ship will go aloft and spread out along the yards. This manoeuvre was originally used to display the whole crew to the harbour authorities and the other ships present, to show that the ship’s guns were not manned and hence her intentions were peaceful.

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      20 hours ago

      Given it just broke one of the masts, it was probably only a mild jolt.

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        I think you underestimate how strong the masts of a sailing ship are. They are the main propulsion of the ship, they have to take the entire wind load (or in the case of a three-masted ship, depending on sail plan the mainmast might normally take about half the total wind load) and it takes a very significant wind load to haul a ship like that through the water at a dozen knots. The mast is a main structural member and is typically tied into the ship all the way down to the keel, as well as being heavily tensioned in every direction practically possible with rope stays. Granted this is done especially from the rear and sides more than the front, where they would not typically be expected to experience significant direct loads like an impact, but this is still a serious piece of heavily reinforced structure we’re talking about despite its thin appearance.

        Also I can’t tell if they’re wood masts in this case, but if they are, those tend to explode into potentially deadly splinters when they’re broken like that. Sailing injuries used to be pretty horrific and dangerous.

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          There were people all the way up the masts and all over the rigging, which made this accident worse.

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    16 hours ago

    The Mexican navy is just sailing around nyc right now…??

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      Navies do goodwill visits to other countries. I remember when — in friendlier times — a Russian missile cruiser, the Varyag, stopped in San Francisco and did tours.

      kagis

      https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/russian-warship-makes-rare-s-f-appearance-3260994.php

      Russian warship makes rare S.F. appearance

      The ship is the cruiser Varyag, a sleek gray vessel that is the flagship of Russia’s Pacific fleet.

      Members of the public can tour the Varyag from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. Thursday. The ship sails Friday for Vladivostok.

      EDIT: Here’s one that we did last year:

      https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3821669/navy-to-set-sail-on-goodwill-mission-in-latin-america-caribbean/

      Navy to Set Sail on Goodwill Mission in Latin America, Caribbean

      As part of the Continuing Promise deployments, U.S. personnel extend medical and veterinary services to local communities, conduct subject-matter exchanges and engineering projects, and host community events and band performances.

      U.S. Navy medical personnel, construction experts, and musicians will deploy this year alongside Army veterinarians and professionals in the State Department-led Women, Peace and Security program to continue the tradition of extending goodwill.

      Smith noted that the U.S. has delivered on that promise by working closely with partner countries to deliver more than 600,000 medical treatments, over 7,000 surgeries, and countless constructions projects and community engagements since the Continuing Promise mission began in 2007.

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    10 hours ago

    The captain didn’t even fart.

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      15 hours ago

      Sails require no fuel, and will never require fuel.

      What other forms of transportation require no fuel? Think about that for a minute. Sailing is badass.

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      A number of navies have a tall ship — a large, old-style sailing ship — that they use for training. I believe that they also use them for ceremonies and maybe recruiting and stuff. Kind of a prestige thing, if they can scrape together the funds to have one.

      The US has the USCGC Eagle for the Coast Guard and the USS Constitution — the oldest commissioned warship afloat — for the Navy.

      According to its Wikipedia page, the Cuauhtémoc does have an auxillary motor, so it’s not completely reliant on wind.