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Eugenics is in itself not bad. You’d want to eugenics away sickle cell anemia disease, for example. But because of history, it is understandable that eugenics has gotten a bad rap. And drawing the line where you want to perform it is blurry. Should we do away with autism or Down syndrome?
No, it is very bad. What gives you the right to deem other unworthy of having children. Under the international law it is genocide to forcefully sterilize a population.
Why allow child to be born with sickle cell anemia if they are going live a lifetime of pain?
It is perfectly understandable that eugenics has a bad name because it has been abused. Although, you should read up more on the topic as it is actually more nuanced.
What gives you the right to decide that life is unforth living? I’m not saying that it isn’t going to be hard but I think it is wildly unfair to take away someones life. If you choose not to have kids due your own experiences that is fine but don’t do more than that.
There is a movement in the in the downs syndrome community to stop terminating pregnancies. The rational is that people deserve to at least have a chance at life even if it is hard. It is a hard problem but I think the biggest danger is people seeing anyone who is different as likely to suffer.
What makes you think a lifetime of suffering is worth it? Some children and family sue medical practitioners for not disclosing genetic abnormalities that led to deleterious life which eats away not just their finances, but also their entire sense of fulfillment to live a less stressful life.
There are diseases that should be rid of, and there are one where it gets blurry and tantamount to genocide as you rightly pointed out. It is not up to me nor anyone really who should decide. Even ethicists can’t settle on the topic.
I’m going to take a risk and leave here the shortcut for Wikipedia’s page on eugenics.
Next I’m going to add that a person acting/navigating their life based off stupidity or delusion incur in an incresead probability of, by their own actions and choices, remove themselves from the population either by isolation, self endangerment or any behavior that for some reasons makes them non eligible as viable partners.
This isn’t about a group being labelled and targeted by another for forceful removal of society.
I think it is wildly inappropriate to try to tell someone that they shouldn’t have kids. Intelligence or looks are not something you can measure are you will always favor people who are like you.
Also the entire idea of Eugenics is complete BS. Trying to bread a human population has no real impact as you would need to commit genocide. Humans are not nearly as simple as a pea plants.
People with currently-known genes for conditions like Tay-Sachs (recessive gene, if a baby gets two copies they are a normal baby the first several months, then get progressive nerve damage until they die around three), or Huntington’s (relevant gene is dominant, but condition manifests in adulthood) may choose not to have kids, or use technology like PGD to select embryos without the relevant genes, or in the case of recessive genes may refuse as spouse any potential partner that also has the gene.
Those are complicated decisions, and nothing should be forced, but it’s important to be able to talk about. There shouldn’t be a taboo on talking about how parents’ decisions affect their children, even if those decisions involve genetics.
These people are on the fast lane for removing themselves from the gene pool in never before imagined ways.
The (now divorced) couple do have 2 kids so those genes will continue existing well into the future.
Still not sure I entirely believe the story but there are a few other mentions with a bit more details
https://www.tovima.com/society/greek-woman-divorces-husband-after-chatgpt-predicted-he-would-cheat-on-her/
https://www.ekathimerini.com/in-depth/society-in-depth/1267829/greek-woman-seeks-divorce-after-chatgpt-reveals-husbands-alleged-affair/
Perhaps we shouldn’t make jokes about Eugenics
Eugenics is in itself not bad. You’d want to eugenics away sickle cell anemia disease, for example. But because of history, it is understandable that eugenics has gotten a bad rap. And drawing the line where you want to perform it is blurry. Should we do away with autism or Down syndrome?
No, it is very bad. What gives you the right to deem other unworthy of having children. Under the international law it is genocide to forcefully sterilize a population.
Why allow child to be born with sickle cell anemia if they are going live a lifetime of pain?
It is perfectly understandable that eugenics has a bad name because it has been abused. Although, you should read up more on the topic as it is actually more nuanced.
What gives you the right to decide that life is unforth living? I’m not saying that it isn’t going to be hard but I think it is wildly unfair to take away someones life. If you choose not to have kids due your own experiences that is fine but don’t do more than that.
There is a movement in the in the downs syndrome community to stop terminating pregnancies. The rational is that people deserve to at least have a chance at life even if it is hard. It is a hard problem but I think the biggest danger is people seeing anyone who is different as likely to suffer.
What makes you think a lifetime of suffering is worth it? Some children and family sue medical practitioners for not disclosing genetic abnormalities that led to deleterious life which eats away not just their finances, but also their entire sense of fulfillment to live a less stressful life.
There are diseases that should be rid of, and there are one where it gets blurry and tantamount to genocide as you rightly pointed out. It is not up to me nor anyone really who should decide. Even ethicists can’t settle on the topic.
I’m going to take a risk and leave here the shortcut for Wikipedia’s page on eugenics.
Next I’m going to add that a person acting/navigating their life based off stupidity or delusion incur in an incresead probability of, by their own actions and choices, remove themselves from the population either by isolation, self endangerment or any behavior that for some reasons makes them non eligible as viable partners.
This isn’t about a group being labelled and targeted by another for forceful removal of society.
I think it is wildly inappropriate to try to tell someone that they shouldn’t have kids. Intelligence or looks are not something you can measure are you will always favor people who are like you.
Also the entire idea of Eugenics is complete BS. Trying to bread a human population has no real impact as you would need to commit genocide. Humans are not nearly as simple as a pea plants.
People with currently-known genes for conditions like Tay-Sachs (recessive gene, if a baby gets two copies they are a normal baby the first several months, then get progressive nerve damage until they die around three), or Huntington’s (relevant gene is dominant, but condition manifests in adulthood) may choose not to have kids, or use technology like PGD to select embryos without the relevant genes, or in the case of recessive genes may refuse as spouse any potential partner that also has the gene.
Those are complicated decisions, and nothing should be forced, but it’s important to be able to talk about. There shouldn’t be a taboo on talking about how parents’ decisions affect their children, even if those decisions involve genetics.
When I was still on reddit, I would occasionally come across a comment I liked.
It could be something as simple as “The (local sports team) is going to (do something sports related) this year!”
And I, without context, would reply “Please have babies.”
Sometimes massive upvotes. Sometimes massive downvotes.
NEVER made any sense. And thats fine.
Perhaps, some day, you will actually go figure out what Eugenics is and prevent yourself from posting stupid comments like this :)
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