• ButtBidet [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Sorry if this starts a struggle session. But I’m here to complain about wtyp stressing over Venezuela’s “fraudulent” election and corruption. I feel like the pod has had a few lib takes.

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      No offense but they are radlibs aka “anarchists”. They never had good takes. And if one thought they had, that’s because you once had “bad takes” but now have evolved beyond their stunted half-socialist worldview. That was the same case with breadtubers like early Contrapoints as well, my own rising political consciousness quickly overtook her own, and she meandered back into liberal chauvinism.

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      I really enjoyed their early episodes but they got podcast disease (lazy prep, laughing at their own lame jokes way too much) remarkably quickly imo. Also, Alice has had some incredibly bad takes over the years. I saw her storm out of a group chat over some very lukewarm pro-China takes one time.

      EDIT: there’s a lot of legit criticism to be made of Maduro however!

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            Her reasoning was incredibly grim iirc, and she only backed off when it became clear that the podcast money was at risk lol.

            I think my favorite Alice moment though was when, during one of the periodic Podcaster Earnings Struggle Sessions (precipitated, as always, by Alice going “I’m poor, please buy me things for my mental health”), one of her ultras got out the receipts, proving that Alice ‘only’ makes £80K p.a. from podcasts lol. And she was totally oblivious to how this looked to everyone else, natch

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          There’s just this fucking entitled arrogance to a lot of the ‘shitpost left’ podcasts — as if they’re doing us plebs a massive favor gracing us with their privately educated waffle. At least with TrueAnon you get the sense that they’ve done the reading!

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            I used to love the trillbillies, but then they lost tanya and at this point it’s just 2-3 guys bullshitting and trying a little too hard to make points they think sound deep

            and acting strangely hostile about some kind of t-shirt sales problems where their only job is being neglected or something, I dunno I don’t buy merch

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      i think it’s perfectly reasonable to criticise a govt that’s continually going after the Communist Party which previously supported Chavez, tbh. they should rightfully be criticised for breaking the unity of the anti-imperialist camp in Venezuela by punching left. i don’t listen to that podcast so maybe they’re doing so in a lib, pro-imperialist way, though.

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        Maduro did go after the PCV, he helped split it between pro and anti maduro factions. The anti-maduro faction called for his overthrow and gave an interview to a right-wing portuguese media outlet to criticize the portuguese communist party for not supporting foreign interference in venezuela.

        So I’m gonna go ahead and say, fuck THAT pcv

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              Very valuable information, thank you. Ya I’d probably know a lot more if I spoke some Spanish. Too bad I can’t put the best hits of Chavez on.

              Libs seem really concerned about the last election. Tbh their concerns don’t seem to be in good faith. But I wonder what you think about it. Like I said, I don’t know really anything.

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                Glad it helped, man.

                With regards to the election, this is not surprising. They’ve been calling it ‘‘fraud’’ since the days of Chávez. Venezuela has had around 33 electoral processes that even President Carter called ‘‘the best in the world’’, for how transparent and effective the process is. The opposition parties have neglected to participate in some, specially presidential elections, and their excuses are always the same, that it’s fraudulent, that the electoral process props up the ‘‘dictatorship’’, that they’re not ‘‘free and fair’’ elections, etc.

                You know that lib bullshit of ‘‘alternability’’? They wish they were back in the 4th Republic which was a bipartite dictatorship, basically. Those parties, Acción Democrática and COPEI, governed uninterruptedly while maintaining the facade of ‘‘democracy’’ by alternating. That’s why this concept is so valuable to libs, it preserves the veneer of liberalism itself.

                Every accusation is a confession, as the saying goes. The fraud was coming from inside the house, from Súmate, María Corina Machado’s party. You know what they did? They necroed people’s names to fill in their supposed ‘‘actas’’, the papers that you get after you vote there, as proof. They had an alternate CNE, the Concejo Nacional de Elecciones, based in Miami that ‘‘counted’’ their votes, and they made up their numbers. It was not only the undead voting, but some doppelgangers, too. These numbers they cooked, were on a server in the UK or somewhere else, it’s been a while. The point is that just like they tried to fake a presidency with Guaidó, they created alternate instances of Venezuela’s institutions in Miami in order to carry out this fraud.

                Prior, during and after every electoral process in Bad Country™, libs and some ‘‘leftists’’ crawl outta the woodwork sowing doubt to lay the groundwork for protests. This has been the methodology of the Venezuelan opposition with the aid of the ‘‘international community’’. The process goes like this: Sow doubt by calling it ‘‘fraud’’ before the election, call people to come out and protest once you lose, have ruffians recruited by your party carry out burnings of people, attacks on institutions, murders, looting, etc, while calling for an international intervention, call for sanctions along with that, do speaking tours on every gusano channel and MSM bullshit, lobby the ‘‘international community’’, cash in with supposed ‘‘humanitarian aid’’, or scams like ‘‘Ya Casi Venezuela’’, ‘‘Venezuela Aid’’ concert in Cucutá, Colombia, scam and gaslight your own followers all along, rinse and repeat.

                So in the end, this was nothing new, even the Supreme Court got involved and pointed out the invalid ‘‘actas’’ from the opposition, but they continue believing they won and propagating doubt, even if they didn’t make Edmundo González Urrutia a Guaitwo. It’s not dissimilar to the ‘‘Stop the Steal’’ thing the chuds did over in the US and the parody of Jan 6 we had in Brasil. If there’s something reactionaries always do is play from the same playbook we’ve read a hundred times.

                Sorry for the long response, I just wanted to contextualize and offer some examples.

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                  order-of-lenin

                  Thanks for your effort post. I was kinda annoyed after Alice’s comment on the election, but I didn’t have the information to counter it. I can’t believe that anyone left of centre would spend even a breath caring about the opposition in Venezuela. At this point, I just don’t believe anything libs say about the left.

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        If you arent Venezuelan and if its not done in a closed communist circle. What is being critical of x or y country good for? Other than doing free labor for the empire.

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        Your critiques are probably right, but you’re coming from the left. They occasionally critique Stalinism, and immediately did a pro Ukraine thing after the invasion (without any nuance).

        Obviously one shouldn’t expect much from YouTubers. I’m just venting.