This made me laugh incredibly hard, so had to post it.
He was still conservative AF, but the MAGAs think he’s “evil” because he was advocating for helping those who have less than you, helping refugees, and treating people with compassion, even if the look or love differently that you.
Being a selfish asshole is MTGs entire brand.
The thing is that religion, like conservatism want to just “be a little assholes”, but being an asshole attracts bigger assholes and pretty soon your movement is all massive assholes. So you, little asshole, feel betrayed, because you just wanted to hurt some people, but now your being pushed out because the assholes in your group want to hurt everyone.
When you make deals with the devil, sooner or later the bill comes due.
What an obnoxious piece of shit.
I thought it was an onion type article from the headline. I was all “You’re not going to get me this time”
Then the comments made me realise it wasn’t satirical. Christ.
If evil was being punished by God, why the fuck is this screeching demon still alive?
Extremely old and sick person eventually dies
Yeah, that wad all MY God’s work!
These people are so sadly simplistic
My god is Chronos (God of Time), so literally everything is their work.
It’s because he was just a bit nicer to minorities than other popes, right?
And to migrants.
MTG is proof that a horse can get sunburn.
With one eye staring directly into it at all times.
He finally defeated this evil man… after he rose to being the fucking pope, led the church for 12 years, and died at a ripe 88 years old…
Idk, I feel like God didn’t do much at all. But if he’s striking down evil, I’d get to painting your door in sheep’s blood real quick, Marge.
Timely reference. Nice.
Huh, pretty on brand with Republican Christian values to be celebrating a person’s death.
Not any person, the literal representative of Jesus Christ on Earth.
Well that part at least is debatable.
She’s consistently tactless. At least she has that going for her.
If her god existed and worked like she thought to defeat evil, she would have been toast long ago. She’s the epitome of evil.
Maybe she worships Tzeench?
Nah, given what we know about Drumpf and his cohorts, Slaanesh is the one being worshipped. Tzeench likes change, but the debauchery and depravity that is currently happening with this administration fits more.
Khorne was G.W., Nurgle was the first trump term, Slaanesh is the current one, Tzeench will probably be the redeeming god. The Materium can only handle so much.
Tzeentch sees the other three ganging up and goes “bet”
ETA: he’s been known to see this happen and just… win. Like. He could’ve at any point, he just doesn’t because it’s fun.
I fuckin love Tzeentch. Love of the game right there, literally.
She still speaking so we all know that’s not true.
I suppose any pope who gives a crap about the actual people is considered a bad pope by republicans.
Fuck this insanity. All these hollows need to be removed from society before they destroy it.
When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movement becomes headlong–faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thought of obstacles and forget that a precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it’s too late.
In 1933, Hitler signed the Reichskonkordat (Reich Concordat), a treaty with the Vatican that required the regime to honour the independence of Catholic institutions and prohibited clergy from involvement in politics.[158] However, the regime continued to target the Christian churches to weaken their influence. Throughout 1935 and 1936, hundreds of clergy and nuns were arrested, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or sexual offences
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
LOL “trumped up charges.”
The Catholic Church has been a political institution for almost its entire existence. It is probably the *oldest * political institution in Europe, having existed since AD 30 according to its own history (though as you get further back in time, history starts turning into legend and mythology; it’s really not clear where that line is).
During the Middle Ages, you could very well be burnt at the stake for heresy or be sent to die in the Crusades, upon the orders of the pope. And for over a millennium, the Church directly ruled over a pretty sizeable piece of territory in central Italy.
A political institution in Europe in AD 30? The year Jesus began his public ministry?
That’s a pretty bold claim, lol. I assume they’re just saying “the Catholic church” has been around since then, since that’s when christianity started?
The year Jesus began his public ministry?
Do you think he was crucified for being apolitical?
AD 30 was the beginning of the papacy of Peter the Apostle, which according to the Catholic Church, was its first pope. Catholic teachings state that Peter’s successors form an unbroken line of Church leaders from AD 30 to the present day, though historic evidence is somewhat incomplete. This is the canonical start date of the Catholic Church as an organisation. “Christianity”, broadly speaking, is just a label affixed to anyone who identifies themselves as a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
The Catholic Church names Jesus Christ as its founder. If you accept this claim, then you could definitely say that it was a political organisation as well as a religious one from the beginning, as Jesus was notoriously put to death by the Roman state for political reasons. The Jewish Sanhedrin which had condemned Jesus for claiming to be the Messiah had no legal authority in Roman Judea; legally speaking, Jesus was put to death on the orders of Pontius Pilate (prefect of Judea) for sedition and for being “King of the Jews”. The legal veracity of this charge is questionable, of course, and Jesus famously preached for his followers to “render unto [the Emperor] the things that are [the Emperor’s]”, i.e. to respect the state and the laws, but the Roman Empire wasn’t known for being an egalitarian state with strong rule of law.
Are there still Protestants who are assmad about the “papist” Catholics? Feels like a complete anachronism like hearing slurs against the Irish and Italians.
Oh, absolutely, I know Protestants who don’t consider Catholics to be Christians at all. And a large part of the current religious conservatism in America is based on these Protestant Evangelicals.
Catholics who are rooting on the Christofascists just because they are currently anti-abortion don’t realize that it won’t be too long before Catholics are targeted. The Christofascists never liked them anyway, they just liked their votes. Once they no longer need to rely on votes to stay in power, they don’t need the Catholics anymore.
Yeah, American Protestants have hated Catholics for generations, and it’s only made worse by the fact that Catholics tend, in general, to be more left-leaning than Protestants so they’re now on opposite sides of the political aisle too. The fireworks when they finally start going at each other full-tilt for a change (instead of going at everyone around them) are going to be sweet indeed.
American Catholicism right now is a mixed bag. On certain social issues, they are quite Conservative. We know their stance on Abortion, and even though Pope Francis said some encouraging things about same-sex relationships, nothing substantial has changed.
Where Catholics worldwide are much more liberal is in their relationship with migrants and other marginalized people. Where this administration sees “shithole countries”, the Church sees places where they can go and actively work to improve the lives of people there. They see their future strength in administering to the spiritual needs of the poor in those countries, and will always aim to help migrants. And in fact, this Pope spent a lot of his final days on earth reminding American bishops (and JD Vance) to show mercy to migrants and treat them with basic human dignity.
Yeah, their stance on abortion, contraceptive, same-sex marriages, etc haven’t substantively changed for as long as I’ve been paying attention, despite this pope nudging things in the right direction. As for marginalized people I know they’ve done good work, but I’m not sure ‘Hey we could convert these poor people and have even more people giving us money’ is for the benefit of the poor so much as it is for the benefit of the church. People like Mother Theresa had some pretty abominable attitudes toward suffering, for example, suggesting that it’s good for people and shit.
So, the whole thing is a mixed bag from where I sit.
In my experience, Catholics tend to be pretty moderate, since the Catholic Church is strictly hierarchical and all dogma originates from the Vatican. The size of the Church, it seems, has a moderating effect on its dogma since they have to appeal to such a large group of followers, and the views of its members tend to average out with a bias towards conservatism (because the Church is so unbelievably old that the inertia of 15th or 10th century doctrine still holds sway).
Protestants, meanwhile, span the whole political spectrum since the label is pretty broad in general. There are plenty of Protestant churches in my area that espouse very liberal and accepting social views, and probably at least a dozen will even marry same-sex couples, something notoriously disapproved of by the Catholic Church and many other denominations. But there are also many, much louder, Protestant churches that are basically full MAGA.
Sure, there definitely are conservative Catholics and liberal Protestants, I was just speaking in broad generalizations and tendencies (hence the use of the phrase ‘tend, in general, to be’.)
Careful, the Catholics are by no means a homogenous group either. There’s the whole “Trad Cath” thing going on.
Small mention in Folding Ideas’ Geocentrists video
Which is why I used words like ‘tend to be’ and ‘in general’. The only way I know to qualify my statement more explicitly as a generalization involves the use of big flashing neon signs, but that seems impractical in a text forum. :P
Also <3 Dan’s videos, been watching them for years.
Yeah you’re fine :)
I’ve met Mormons who don’t consider Catholics to be Christian, which is pretty fucking hilarious.
ETA: Speaking of Catholics who try to cozy up to the right-wing evangelical Protestant movement because they have common causes but don’t realize they are being used… The Mormons are even further up the enemies list of the right-wing Protestants than the Catholics. And they too don’t seem to be aware of this. Basically if the likes of MTG get their wish to crush gays, trans, feminists, atheists, and liberals under their boot heels, they will turn on themselves. Starting with the non-Christian religions, then the JWs, then the Mormons, then the Catholics. They will go with the lowest hanging fruit.
I’ve met Baptists and Methodists and other main-line Protestant denominations who don’t, so it’s by no means isolated to the fringe.
the book of mormon says black skin is the mark of sin for “rebellion and iniquity.” And mormons only came to a more moderate understanding of that historically very recently.
So you’ll forgive me if I dont care about what mormon clowns say about much of anything.Unfortunately, they found “evidence” for that belief in “the” bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Racism_and_slavery
good catch yeah. I dont beleive in much that christians say either, but I try to keep that to myself because I dont want to fight about it. The bible is an absurd and terribly written document. The Torah is even worse. And I dont know much about the Koran, but I dont have high hopes considering its another Abrahamic religion from the same time period and philosophies.
I’m not about to make the time to read holy books, I’d sooner shove bamboo up my own fingernails. …The benefits of a catholic school education, all the way up to undergrad. So many years wasted to get to the conclusion that none of those people had any idea what they were saying, and what they did say they didnt actually believe or adhere to. I do consider the bible to actually be a founding document of the US, insomuch as it teaches “rules for thee and not for me” and “ask too many questions of authority and you get beaten”. And not much else.
Ok you can call me an edge-lord now.
And soon you may ban books and newspapers, and turn Catholics against Protestants, and Protestants against Protestants, and try to foist your own religion upon the mind of man. If you can do one, you can do the other, because fanaticism and ignorance is forever busy and needs feeding.
Inherit the Wind, 1960
I was raised in a Baptist Church and my pastor used to spend a significant amount of time shit talking Catholics.
catholics dont think about baptists at all.
I don’t go to church anymore, but growing up all my catholic priest had to say about people with different religions was that we should love everyone equally.
It never went away, most Evangelicals are open about it.
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Makes sense, since Islam also venerates the Virgin Mary. There are long passages in the Qur’an praising her.
Muslim here. Mary is, in fact, not venerated in Islam in the way Catholics use the term. She’s praised in the Quran, sure, and is considered a Very Good Person, but so are many people. Islam is considered heresy in Christianity because it rejects the Trinity (according to Islam only Unitarians have the slightest clue what they’re talking about), accepts Muhammed as a prophet and rejects parts of the Bible as corrupted.
Are there still Protestants who are assmad about the “papist” Catholics?
Yes, there are.
I strongly suspect right now the stuff we just saw with Vance and now MTG is an attempt to exploit existing American anti-Catholic vitriol that’s been in the USA since forever. Basically, a further attempt to “divide and conquer” the USA using existing religious divides. I don’t think this is just some variation of Republicans being hypocrites, I think all of this is to purposefully further an agenda to divide America further to prevent unity, this time between white Catholics and white Protestants.
The Catholic Church has absolutely done lots stuff that is wrong, in modern times and historically, but at the same time, in certain Protestant households you still have folks putting Catholics in the same sentence as Muslims and Jews when they go on their bigoted and racist screeds. They see Catholics in the same way they see black folks, Jews, Muslims, immigrants, etc. But since it’s “white Christian against white Christian” people don’t talk about it much, it’s more acceptable to hate Catholics.
And you also get ex-Protestant/ex-religious folks who were raised like that, to see Catholics as pagan, who don’t seem to realize that while there’s definitely stuff the Catholic church has done wrong, there ALSO is a whole shit-ton of Protestants in the USA who simply hate Catholics because they were taught that from childhood, along with all of the other racist stuff.
They might have started to de-clutter their mind of other stereotypes or biases or racisms they grew up with, like the ones against Jews or Muslims or whatever, but don’t stop to wonder about how much shit they were told about Catholics is wrong or right. So they’re still susceptible to dog-whistles even if they consider themselves atheist.
And that’s what Vance and MTG are doing right now, dog-whistling against yet another group in the US to prevent unity with them.
Oh, they absolutely still exist and they are breeding more of them.
And they talk about Catholics - the OG xtians - as not being “really real xtians”.
Which is SUCH a wild take. But
My TED talk on the non-existence of god is simply me blowing a raspberry and pointing at a photo of this woman/cyst.
It took me too long to realize you didn’t mean blowing air out of your mouth onto a raspberry.
