What’s the emergency? Climate change isn’t catastrophic enough yet?
It’s so the US can build more vacant houses.
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While we all ignored our local and county elections, while we ignored our neighborhoods and “avoided conflict” by only attacking other leftists for not being pure enough
there are plenty of blue states, blue counties, etc. this sure as hell isn’t an ‘all of us’ problem.
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trump… Ensureing America has no future
Time for this guy to get taken out…of office.
I really hope to see him buried soon.
Under massive voter disapproval polls and impeachment proceedings.
To quote local shitstain Mike Davis, who was SUPER TOTALLY JUST JOKING “I want to drag their dead political bodies through the streets, burn them, and throw them off the wall.” Which, you know, same to you buddy.
It’s cool it’s OK when he says it.
It’s crazy how republicans are framing cutting down forests as a “good way to prevent arsons”
Do you know why greece is so barren? Because in antiquity they chopped all the trees for their navy
Would be a damn shame if the National Forestry service just started spiking all those trees.
Would be a shame if the millions of people who cherish our national forests, such as outdoors-people, survivalists, veterans and preppers, just decided that they don’t want their woods chopped down.
Sure would be a shame if anything kept happening to that expensive logging equipment over and over.
Just be careful and never cut a hydraulic hose with any of your body parts near the cut. Hydraulic injection injuries look terrible. Similar for large truck tires, those are not like a tiny cybertruck tires, they can blow up and cause injury.
Ha! I took hydraulic fluid to the eye once upon a time. I now wear safety glasses when I do my forklifting.
Ouch! Can you see from that eye?
Life was pretty blurry for a little while🤣
Luckily the hose popped first thing in the morning, so it wasn’t hot yet. In an unrelated matter, WD-40 hurts like a bitch too. Dont stick your eye in that.
If a tree falls on him in the forest, would anyone hear him squish? Or care?
People wood care unfortunately.
Has anyone actually done the co2 math and the amount of other gases we have to reverse?
It will blow your mind. Dont look up.
Basically everything we have ever consumed for carbonous goods or fuel sources has to be reversed.
That’s because we are a part of nature and we leave footprints like everything else. Change isn’t bad, in fact it’s a good thing. It’s why things evolve. The problem is the velocity of change is too fast for other parts of our ecosystem to keep up. It’s like catching a ball. Every little bit counts.
And so all that Roosevelt worked for is sentenced to death.
2024 cost US 500 billion in hurricane costs. and how to you counter that, plant more trees not cut them down. he is the biggest clown in human history
Looks like Tramp called for open season on loggers.
It’s cathartic to imagine, but we all know that even if there are dozens of environmental terrorist activities, that it won’t stop this. Wood is money.
This isn’t going to stop. It’s going to get worse even. We’re not accepting this, we’re still sitting with our thumbs up our asses wondering when it gets “bad enough” that someone comes in and saves the day.
Nobody is coming. Our world is collapsing. If we all realized this and got up and started marching we could at least stop it from getting worse.
Growing up, I watched Star Trek and ST: Next Gen. I always wondered how we could get to a kinder, more tolerant society like theirs. As I learned more about the back story, it turns out that there was a massive nuclear world war in the mid-21st century that did massive damage to the world. The society that Star Trek represents rose from the ashes of that war.
I always hoped we could reach a tolerant society without going through that, but its starting to look remarkably prescient.
As did I, as well as other science fiction, as well as PBS documentaries and science programs… I was so sure that with all of these hopeful, positive influences and messages going into the world, that the future would be brighter and people would be more caring.
Holy shit I misjudged the way people interpret media. Most of the same people who were promoting peace and love are now threatening to kill other people over vaccinations and skin color.
One other point about the Star Trek universe though, is that in addition to almost dying to war, we also managed to create replicators that ended our scarcity-civilization. There was no more need for money and anyone could basically have whatever they wanted from then on. In our world, if you invented a machine that could solve all our problems and make all humans equal, someone would assassinate you because of it. Maybe many people would.
It used to seem there would be this universe without money or religion, and then we got to DS9, and saw the Bajoran religion, the Ferengi obsession with profit, and the gambling at Quarks.
The contentious, almost impossible dilemmas being portrayed in DS9’s themes were a reflection of the times. By the time we got to DS9, we were on the tail end of a sudden recession, race riots in LA, police brutality coming into sharp focus as more and more people started carrying video cameras, Mike Tyson went from hero to convict for rape, and the world started to shrink and become scarier. The cocaine-fueled optimism of the late 80’s was morphing into the technicolor international stage of the 90’s, increased media exposure was showing a lot of people the darkness we spent decades trying to pretend wasn’t there. Terrorism, plane crashes, wars we saw in full color on the ground, dictatorships rising and falling. We’re still feeling the effects of this reconciliation/confrontation with our actual history and social norms.
it turns out that there was a massive nuclear world war in the mid-21st century that did massive damage to the world.
By the Trek timeline, that war literally starts next year and runs for thirty years. Mankind only starts to pull it’s head out of it’s ass because of first contact with the Vulcans, and that only happens because they happened to have a ship in the system when the guy building the first experimental warp engine takes it on it’s first successful test flight in 2063.
Thanks for the clarification, which only makes it more prescient.
Unfortunately, I will probably be long gone before the Vulcans arrive.
Teddy Roosevelt is rolling in his grave.
Everything else aside… What the fuck is so urgent about cutting down forests that you need a emergency order to green-light it?
Nothing. The “emergency order” is entirely so he doesn’t have to go through Congress to do it.
But does this type of EO have legal backing?
It’s kind of a case by case basis is my understanding. The president does have pretty broad emergency powers but the courts can block any individual one if they feel it’s overstepping.
“I can do anything I want if it’s an emergency!”
Dang i wonder if we can find example of emergency powers eroding democracy in the past now…
Not from a jedi…
“And I get to say when it’s an emergency!”
Quickly becoming his go to play. It’s how he pushed through tariffs and how he was able to auto deport all those people. There’s probably more that I’m unaware of but the amount of national emergencies the man has declared so far is kinda crazy
i thought liberal democracies had mechanisms to stop this from happening!
They do, it’s called “voting”. Unfortunately, this “liberal democracy” (which it hasn’t been a true-democracy in over a century) has a large portion of voters that refuse to execute their civil duty as a citizen of a city-state.
Essentially, people want all the benefits of living in a society without putting forth the work required to maintain it. Cracks eventually start to show, corruption leaks in, and that’s how fascism begins to grow in the cellar of Democracy’s home. That’s how we’ve gotten where we are.
Almost like they’re fully comforatble with reckless corruption.
They are fully comfortable with reckless profits. Corruption is just the price to pay.
Building “freedom cities” for billionaires, maybe. In his '23 announcement, it specifically stated:
Freedom Cities will be built on federal land that is undeveloped and not part of any of our country’s magnificent national parks or other natural treasures.
Which I assume means they’ll be built on your parks?
(for anyone scrolling past like, “wtf are freedom cities” - it’s feudalism. The Company Town. Literally lords and serfs type shit. Plenty of good places to read more about it, but here’s one to start.)
Profit
I guess domestic demand is high because we certainly can’t export them.
‘emergency’ is a word that means the executive does what they want
Perhaps to mitigate the repercussions from tariffs on lumber from Canada. We saw a bailout for farmers impacted by his previous tariffs, the administration may actually believe the national forests can save Trump from the consequences of his actions.
Maybe because the dumb fuck instituted tariffs that makes lumber prohibitively expensive? I don’t know. Nothing makes any fucking sense anymore.
The MDF furniture must flow
Have to urgently circumvent Congress.
What the fuck is so urgent about cutting down forests that you need a emergency order to green-light it?
Replacing timber we previously got from Canada before the screaming from the industries that use lumber that is now tariffed gets too loud.
I don’t know enough about those industries to know if it’ll work, though.
I don’t think we have the sawmill capacity.
Millions of prisoners with hand tools can do that job.
and its the forests timber is not even good quality too.
probably something to distract the masses, from all the federal cuts, and tariffs from the news,
gotta find some work to do for the chauvinist american workers
In 200 years people will ask in disbelief why such old forests were logged down.
IM ASKING THAT NOW!!
We know why. Because Trump sees no value in anything beyond being right. He is right to tariff Canada, because the Canadians are mean. And he is right to have national parks stripped bare, because Canada is tariffed. It’s just flawless logic. /s
That’s if the planet survives till then, which at the rate things are going no way we make it that long
The planet will be just fine. I’d wager that life will continue, the earth will still be filled with living creatures for a long time to come.
It just won’t include us. Or most of the things we care about.
I feel bad for all the creatures that we will be taking down with us.
The planet will survive. Humans may not survive, but I’m no longer so sure that’s a bad thing…
Check out where our forests were at at the end of the 1800’s. 90% of the trees in Michigan were gone. All current forests are new growth and under 150 years old here in Michigan.
In 200 years, humans will be extinct.
An optimist in our midst
I don’t think we have much of any old growth forests left even before this honestly.
mostly the pacific northwest. where also the giant and coastal redwood is.
The answer is because patriots aren’t willing to defend them by force.
Please stop spouting this propaganda. We have less than 2 decades of western white civilisation left. Other continents far less. It’s not helpful and it propagates this hopium and drives people to complacency.
E: your downvotes are as futile as the hopium propaganda. Truth hurts, but sets you free.
People don’t seem to be aware that there are estimates that there could be 1.2 BILLION climate refugees by 2050. And it’s not like they all just decide to migrate in that year.
We think things look fascist now? If we do not stomp out fascism immediately, there’s going to be mass genocide. If people stop being complacent right now, we could do so much better.
I don’t have my hopes up though.
Yep. There this complacent coddling that seems to have happened where people sit on fences for eons
“Let’s wait and see if we really do break 1.5ºC of warming. It’s too early to tell now” “Let’s wait and see if Trump does full Hitler. He’s got a unique style, but so many people voting for him can’t be wrong” “Let’s wait and see if we need to divest our USA interests and our military reliance. They have a difficult moment now, but surely will bounce back. They always have”
In a way, during peacetime, there is a sense of security in that fence sitting, but now, during wartime, it is the thing that costs hundreds of thousands of lives.
We’re in for a really tough ride.
Also, for those interested, there are safe spaces for people who have come off the fence. !collapse@lemmy.ml and !collapse@sopuli.xyz and !collapse@slrpnk.net being the most prominent on Lemmy atm.
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Pointing out imminent collapse is white replacement stuff how exactly? What even could white replacement mean in this context?
Yeah that was my bad, sorry. I misread another comment.
Sorry, sorry, sorry…
All good brother
Damn, that bait is so obvious, a newborn fish just looked at me like I was crazy for thinking it would fall for it.
If you don’t think there’s a significant chance of climate change wrecking modern civilization in the next 20 years, you’re just doing climate denial.
they didn’t say “modern civilization”. they said “western white civilisation [sic]”
edit: and they’re also peddling astrology bs in the rest of the thread so no wonder they’re getting downvoted.
It was nice to have a planet while it lasted, I guess.
Don’t worry. The planet will be fine. We may not be around, but life will persist.
Even if technically correct, this kind of attitude
justifiesencourages pricks like Trump to misquote using only the first part, then proceed to more shit like this.First of all I’m not even sure about that. Well, I guess the tardigrades will make it. Secondly, that thought still does not fill me with joy.
A massive chunk of the Antarctic shelf broke free last month. Researchers got an ROV there the next day and found an ecosystem that was entirely cut off from the world for centuries. Life will survive, even if humanity doesn’t.
Some life. A very little.
There only needs to be a little. That’s how evolution works…
Maybe
The earth has literally gone through more rapid climate changes in the past.
Chernobyl is teeming with life and we royally fucked that up. Organisms have been found that eat oil and plastic. Humans are fragile. Life as a whole is not. Flora and fauna will persist and bounce back long after we fucked off.
Really tired of this response. It’s old. like, 80’s old. It was funny at first.
Cool story. Doesn’t make it any less true. And the reason why people keep saying it is because they are equally tired of the “OMG the planet is dying and we are destroying all life” chorus. We know. We don’t need more “awareness” raised for this problem, we need viable solutions. Ones that take the general population’s propensity for shitty behavior into account.
Well it might be true, but so are most platitudes. So instead of wasting internet, pick up a stick and kick the orange, or come up with a better solution than truisms that make more harm than good
So you want people to shut up about it so we can ignore it? Do you think the oil industry stopped their propaganda machine? The current president publicly claims climate change isn’t real ffs.
If you actually consciously posted that because you’re tired of the “our planet is dying” crowd, you are actually a legit mouthpiece spreading oil propoganda. Just wow.
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said give me solutions. It’s kind of hard to want solutions if you think there’s no problem.
And what the US president says has no bearing on this. The rest of the world already knows he’s a malicious actor; we’re just waiting for the Americans to get off their asses and do something about him.
And the reason why people keep saying it is because they are equally tired of the “OMG the planet is dying and we are destroying all life” chorus. We know. We don’t need more “awareness” raised for this problem
Is this not more then half your comment?
We clearly need more awareness if in our current predicament, someone like trump can get elected. The fact is the environment is nowhere near high enough on the list of priorities of most governments.
We also have solutions but we aren’t implementing them mainly because the goverments would rather protect their oil and car industries amongst others.
You think volume of text dictates what the final conclusion of a comment is? This is why I was questioning your reading comprehension.
And the car thing is exactly what I’m talking about when I said elsewhere that a “solution” is only a real solution if it takes peoples’ behavior into account. The reality is, people are not going to give up their cars. It isn’t going to happen (in North America, at least). So if any solution tries to include not driving as an integral part, it will fail. Hence the push for electric vehicles. Even if the grid were 100% fossil fuel based, electric cars would still be drastically better. Plus, it’s a lot easier to build out renewable grid power than it is to change peoples lifestyles.
It’s not that it isn’t true, it’s that it’s a tired response that adds nothing to the conversation. It’s nothing but “well ackshually”
Doesn’t make it any less true.
What is “it” and what is “true”? Besides some of the biggest concepts the human mind can concieve. Okay, no, fine, let’s just put it in dead simple terms: human life will end in preventable, miserable horror and animal life will do the same, but rocks and amoebas may survive and barf out some other complex life forms someday.
I guess we’ll never know because we won’t be here but also the idea that that happens at all is just the best guess we’ve all agreed to for now. Maybe it’s true, maybe not. Ha ha ha. Pithy!
We don’t need more “awareness” raised for this problem, we need viable solutions. Ones that take the general population’s propensity for shitty behavior into account.
So we’re all “aware” huh. That doesn’t track with what I’m seeing but if you say so. And we already have the solutions, as you know. Have had since the 80s, ironically(?). “The population”'s propensity for shitty behavior notwithstanding.
If your solutions that you’ve had since the 80’s don’t account for people’s behavior, then you don’t actually have a solution.
It’s like the old joke with school physics problems always starting with “ignoring forces of friction and assuming a point mass…”. Yeah you can do that math and come up with an answer, but if you try to apply that answer to real life, it will likely not even come close to working.
It’s alright. We made some killer shareholder value. Can’t wait to tell the grandkids that, assuming I live that long.
