I went all-in on proton a few years ago but I dislike the direction in which they are going now. Does anybody have tips on how (and where) to switch smoothly. I could self host email but I’ve heard that it’s a big hassle
I mean, someone made Graphene OS, a fork of Android. Surely someone can also do that for Firefox, right? 👀
There are several Firefox forks. Waterfox (based in Europe UK), Librewolf, Zen etc.
I tried Zen on Arch. Wouldn’t even load pages. I’d avoid it for a while. 🤷♂️
I have been loving LibreWolf for a while now. Can really recommend it!
Which would yiu recommend librewolf or waterfox?
Librewolf is definitely better if you are a hardcore privacy nerd. I used it but it broke some sites due to the privacy settings. Waterfox is better than Firefox privacy-wise. Waterfox is in the sweet spot for me. Waterfox has an app but I do not like it because it was very slow compared to the Firefox app. I use Waterfox as desktop browser and Firefox as mobile browser.
Browsers I tried yesterday (on Linux):
- Zen: neat, but the UI is too different for my taste
- Floorp: also neat, but features I don’t use
- Waterfox: sweet spot for me
Librewolf and Waterfox seem pretty similar on paper. I went with Waterfox cuz idk. So far, Waterfox seems to be a drop-in replacement. I haven’t noticed any problems with websites and haven’t run into any bugs.
One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.
Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳
One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.
I tend to go with Flathub before the AUR, if available. 👍
I like Zen for its different interface. I like having a built-in vertical tab bar. It’s not as focused on privacy and security as Librewolf is, though.
Try Mullvad browser, it works well in my opinion. It should be used with a VPN (i.e. shared IP address space) though.
Zen: is Firefox
Floorp: is Firefox
Waterfox: is Firefox
Librewolf: is Firefox
They are all dependent on Mozilla and its choices.
There is some degree of independence. For example, if Mozilla releases some super evil patch tomorrow, I’m pretty sure everyone would just patch it out immediately. In fact, this is what most derivatives seem to do, patch out the ad/telemetry stuff.
But yeah, these are all modified Firefox browsers. Hopefully, nobody was thinking these were unique, new, browsers.
No, being a fork doesn’t mean it’s the same browser.
I found waterfox on aurora store android and below this stores page it lists trackers found: Mozilla telemetry, Sentry. What is the point if it gives Mozilla the same data? Or is this not whst i think it is?
Is Zen still a safe bet? I’m using it currently and quite like it actually so I’m hoping it’s still a good option. I just frankly am pretty ignorant of all this browser shenanigans.
Is waterfox independent of system1 now?
ETA: they are apparently: www.farside.link/reddit.com/r/waterfox/comments/14phsyl/a_new_chapter_for_waterfox/
Here is the link without the need to open reddit. https://www.waterfox.net/blog/a-new-chapter-for-waterfox/
One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.
Same for LibreWolf.
Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳
I was thinking I should ditch android FF, too…
There is also Epiphany. browser with the webkit engine.
Isn’t one of the point of the phenom of enshifitication that it’s near ubiquitous? The reason it can continue is because it reached a critical mass, leaving us few workable alternatives, like a symptom of monopolization. I’d wager some companies feel like they won’t survive if they don’t keep up, not sure if that assessment is true but I bet many think it is.
Enshitified product exists - > good alternative arises to meet demand - > good alternative becomes popular - > good alternative either becomes enshitified to maximize profits or is purchased by owner of original enshitified product.
The capitalist way.
FOSS FOSS FOSS and self-host.
Get used to it. Nothing lasts forever.
constructs like companies and software come and go but the individuals, the movement that strives for freedom stays the same
What happened to proton?
Their Swiss CEO decided that supporting an authoritarian American neo nazi regime was a good idea
There is that, but did anything happen to the service itself?
Personally, I feel like their service, except for VPN, was always half assed.
- No access to SMTP for automation
- Need to use that shitty bridge to use a useful client
- No pgp encryption in their web interface when talking to people not at proton
- proton drive does not offer any useful protocol like ftp, webdav, or sftp
- Calendar and Contacts cannot be easily synchronized to phone and desktop apps
The list goes on. I have only one account left with a proton email and the letter with a code so I can change that lies on my desk.
They definitely allow you to use pgp with people not at proton via the web ui.
Good point. I actually quit proton a few years ago because of the lack of SMTP and caldav.
And they decided that posting on Mastodon was bad so switched back to r*****.
How very neutral of him.
He’s not Swiss, he’s from Taiwan
The creator is pro-Trump and they also recently stopped posting updates to Mastodon citing “they don’t have the resources” for it, or something like that.
Correct me if I have missed something; I’ve got no skin in the game, I just see the drama a lot.
So weird these business guys get involved into political crap. It’s gotta alienate one side or another, simply lose lose.
Found this the other day, and it sorta makes me agree that this is getting a little blown up
And the top comment explains why it indeed is such s big issue. This is incomprehensibly incompetent.
There are few more services you need to be able to trust beyond your mail and VPN. If you have still trust then that’s ok, don’t get me wrong - but stating “just because the CEO spewed s bit of pro trump shit this got blown out of proportion” doesn’t acknowledge the propositions at all.
Andy Yen, who probably doesn’t keep up with U.S. news outside what he needs to for his company’s business needs, said an egghead thing.
Unless he said something else everyone is blowing this out of proportion.
said an egghead thing
The dumbification really does seem to permeate everything everywhere, doesn’t it. Imagine circlejerking antiintellectual regime taking points on lemmy.
Okay, “fucking dumbshit” then. Stop treating it like Proton is supporting trump somehow
Well, “everyone” being radicals online who think that everything is some sort of call to war. Normal people realize what it is. There are sprinkles of sane people here on Lemmy, but they’re drowned out by the crazies.
QED
Encountered someone from local instances in the wild.
Nothing. The CEO dared to congrat someone (Trump) that other people (including myself) heavily dislike from the wrong account. So, tolerant and rational people want to cancel him and his company.
I’m sorry but what possible positive can you find in Proton doing that?
In what universe does his kissing the feet of that dicator equate to us keeping our lives private?
Whatever, guys. I don’t care about Proton, I don’t care about it’s CEO, I don’t care about Trump (quite the opposite, actually). Be enraged on every little shit and don’t forget to ask even the grocery guy about his political preference. Maybe you’re giving money to someone supporting Trump or his local equivalent. The internet and its virtue signaling is becoming increasingly annoying these days.
No one asked. Bro blurted it out off the official account and people are understandably concerned
Concerned of what, exactly? Jeez, people really love drama.
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This thread got removed where it listed all of the things reddit collects, but we shouldn’t get complacent here either. We need to check our instances.
Some of the instances do this here. This is not a 100% haven. It’s great and waaaay better, but still, check into your instances, Lemmies.
I’m trying out 3 different browsers atm and I think I’ll just keep all 3 and cycle though or use at different privacy settings. I will miss Firefox and not having to think about my browser. Can’t wait to watch all 3 go to shit as well.
Librewolf seems exactly the same, but it breaks Lemmy for me. It’s probably a setting I didn’t know to turn off.
It’s likely the resist fingerprinting option. It breaks many websites or those that use bot checking thing.
I’ll try some testing around those features.
Don’t hold out on us! Which browsers?
I’ve been trying the duckduckgo browser, I think I may stick with it. No idea what to do about email
I’ve started migrating from Proton to Mailbox.org. Mailbox supports IMAP, and they have a calendar as well. https://mailbox.org/en/
The mozilla thing seems to be mostly bad PR, but yeah…
They took out the clause in their policy about not selling user data.
It’s pretty obvious what follows that
https://youtu.be/-8bTquKjzos That sums it up. The definition of what counts as “selling data” changed…
The problem is that they can’t or won’t tell the users which data from what parts of the program they sell to whom for what purpose. Instead, they just make you give up all the rights to all your data in a blanket statement. (I think they did adjust the TOS a little bit, but it’s still far from good)
Everyone keeps saying this, but no one has an answer for why, if they’re definitely going to start selling all our data, they didn’t say that in the new terms? I’ll get upset when they actually change them to be shitty.
Cool cool, lumping “I love fascists, actually” together with “We’re clarifying our legal positions”
So why does a free and ethical software need a user data collection policy that we have to agree to?
Why do they suddenly need to start collecting our data?
I assume because either their legal department, or it sounds like maybe this new exec Varma, thought that the previous language opened them up to potential liability in some jurisdictions.
The brightline for me is when the terms actually become onerous. If you were an extreme privacy nerd you were already using a fork anyway, for the average user there’s nothing in the terms that’s threatening yet IMO.
What about Proton? If you mean the fiasco a few weeks back then that’s a false alarm where the internet just went apeshit over an innocent remark.
Edit: From what I’ve seen from these replies, it’s all false alarms and nothing actually implicates Proton here. A Swiss company is not obligated to put up a disclaimer saying Trump bad every time they want to talk about American politics (which they only do so far as it pertains to their privacy mandate).
That’s the one I was calling a false alarm. Their CEO later clarified what they meant, but the short of it is: Republicans are more likely to go after big tech (he backed this up by facts), and apparently Gail Slater does have a good track record (including working under Lina Khan during Biden’s term). Yeah Republicans bad blah blah blah, but that’s quite literally not their problem.
The article says they were literally forced to comply with the request by Swiss Law as the request went through the proper legal channels.
They also only disclosed the accounts recovery email address. Everything else was obtained by Apple.
Why is reading sources so hard for people?
Because it’s much easier to get angry about misleading headlines. Comprehension is difficult.
the report came through channels which made them assume it was serious like terrorism. It was a request not a court order. why is reading so hard for people
Where in the article does it say that?
Seems like they only gave up the recovery email and ip address
Okay now that’s shitty.
Edit: Apparently not.
agree, using an apple email that’s linked to your identity as recovery email was absolutely shitty OpSec by the activist, I mean come on!
Also their announcement to stop posting on Mastodon and this blogpost
The blog post where they talk about privacy being a non-partisan issue that effects people everywhere on the political spectrum, and warn the reader that Donald Trump is going to have effectively no checks on his power?
Yes, the one where they talk about this not being Trumps fault even though he is the fucking president and about all terror the right experienced under the previous administrations
And they’re right, it’s not Trump’s fault that the NSA is as powerful and secretive as they are today, this is a problem decades in the making.
