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Chatcontrol is once again stopped. Good work again everyone who stood up, this is once again a win everytime it is a win.
Next country that is up for Presidency is Poland 🇵🇱 who are anti-chatcontrol.
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How about no encryption for civil servants?
It’s insane that this bullshit can be pushed again and again and again. It gives me some comfort that they have still not succeeded, but they only need to succeed once, and if they are not blocked from putting this forward again, we would have to succeed again and again and again.
It would help if European voters stopped behaving like spoiled children and voting for wannabe dictators because inflation or immigration or whatever.
It’s hard to avoid when all our parties are in favor of this garbage.
Parties are the expression of voters. There is a general unease about immigration. To some extent I understand this. When people’s status quo is at risk defensive walls go up. In Italy they worried about the 150000 people that cross the Mediterranean each year, yet the population keeps declining in that country. There is no way to sustain growth with a declining population unless you change the economics of that country. But here to its a mess in Italy. Their debt is huge.
Then run for election. That’s the point of democracy. If our leaders are bad, there’s no one to blame but ourselves.
Obligatory addendum: A downvote does not constitute a counter-argument.
The problem is countries like Hungary, where 70% of the population is rural, don’t speak a word of English and all they consume is state controlled terrestrial media
Agreed, it’s definitely a problem. And in fact it’s even worse because it turns out that today’s supposedly progressive and well-informed youngsters in fact get their news from TikTok and tend to vote for authoritarian populists even in western Europe.
Again: downvoting facts, sticking one’s fingers in one’s ears and going “lalalalala”, does not make the facts go away. It is an inconvenient fact that far-right parties across Europe are doing particularly well among young voters.
I find it kind of ironic how you complain about downvotes while supporting democracy. I’m not saying whether I agree or disagree with you, I’m not saying either if I think you are right or wrong. But just like in a democracy votes represent the opinion of those who decided to vote. Being right won’t mean you get the votes. You should just accept them and stop complaining about them.
No, adding something useful to the discussion should get you a vote. The fact that other idiots agree with you does not magically make your contribution thoughtful, or insightful, or productive in any other way.
You can’t run for politics unless you’re already a known figure with a wide reach. Please don’t pretend that our iteration of democracy isn’t extremely insular and gatekept.
With this can-do attitude, we’re really gonna get things changing!
You make it sound like it’s trivial to get a position of political power when said position is already being vied for by several people, many of which have way more money and resources than the average lemming
I’m not educated enough to have an opinion on this, but is the EU different from other places in terms of requiring a lot of expensive campaigning to have any chance to win?
Yes, it’s very different from the USA. Campaign spending is tightly limited. In most EU countries, political parties get the majority of their funding from the state, paid on the basis of past election results.
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Even more insane that almost 2/3 of countries support this.
Authoritarianism is very tempting to people in power, but can be hard to sell in the physical world. In the digital world however…
“You can’t vote a fascist away.”
Wait, how the fuck are only Central Europe, Finland and Estonia in support of encryption. What the actual fuck people?
If you look at the swedish parties only one is in support, but they are the biggest :/
I can only talk about France as that one is super obvious to me: They been fighting (peaceful) protests organizers. Like hacking their phones and getting all their data from all the possible platforms, in the hopes of shutting them down using the slightest thing that can get them into trouble.
This time.
Certain death tomorrow is better than certain death today.
I share your pessimistic view on what this win means, but don’t get disheartened. It is still a win for privacy and citizen rights.
Next up: tomorrow.
The thing is that the presidency of the Council will change (I remember reading: from Hungary to Poland) at the beginning of 2025. Now look at the map which sides Hungary and Poland are on.
Thats hopeful
Yes, this time… but we won again and i think it is important to remember that. i think this will be brought up again but we need to spread the word when it is happening and stand up again and again when it is happening. We need to win everytime but the politicians only needs one time “democracy” it is called.
Politicians do not understand or care about consent then:
No means no, do not ask again, we will let you know if we want something so stop bringing it up.
Also agreed: Representative democracy isn’t true democracy and leads to problems like this.
See you in two years when they attempt again
They’ll probably try to sneak it into some other law, hoping no one will notice until it’s too late.
*two months
*two weeks
*two days
*two hours (now)
*two mins
It will be brought up another time until the wanted result is in.
Yes this will be brought up again and again but everytime it falls it is a win for us, i think it is important to remebemer that. We need to share information and stand up next time too. it can also become better in the future, Swedish FRA (like USA´s NSA) says e2ee is important and urges people to use it. Netherlands inteligent agency says that chatcontrol harms national security. FBI and CISA urges people to use e2ee after china hacked into lawfull intercept backdoors. All this have happend since last time chatcontrol was on the agenda and this time 2 more countrys has agreed to say no.
FBI and Cisa: Nederlands inteligent agency 1: Nederlands inteligent agency 2: Swedish FRA:
FBI and CISA urges people to use e2ee after china hacked into lawfull intercept backdoors.
Which FBI installed.
How many times is this now?
Too many
Yarrr! Pirates really deliver.
Also, why Sweeden supports it?
Hey, well the reason is that both the right and left parties both want this to pass. They say its to “protect the children” even if this law would violate the Convention on the Rights of the Child. Also they want to use the crime rate to justify this law of mass surveillance.
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not sure about now but the original swede handling the issue in EU was openly corrupt. which is only a crime if you’re a social democrat or further left.
was openly corrupt.
Ah, United
RussiaSweeden
I was also very surprised to see Sweden back this. The Swedes have started changing dramatically since Russian invasion of Ucrain. Neutral for decades now in NATO.
Cool, glad for y’all.
Hey, now that you’ve taken care of that, we’re having a little fascism problem here in America. We were wondering if you could, ya’know, return that little favor we did for ya in the 1940s?
We’re dealing with a little WW2 style problem ourselves with Russia eating away at Ukraine. Would love to come and help you all, but before we do anything to a country that prides itself in having the biggest stick we gotta clean up our back yard first.
Muricans’ ability to make any and every thing about themselves amazes me
Let’s not let our guard down. They might make superficial changes, but they will keep pushing this dangerous and invasive nonsense, and they only have to win once.
My country doesnt pull a w very often.
But let’s go Austria, you do something good for once.Don’t get to excited. The ÖVP really wants chat control and it’s one of the many pain points of the current coalition talks with SPÖ and Neos.
well, they havent succeeded, thats all that matters right now i think. Nobody needs to win, ÖVP just needs to lose.
what do you mean? austria has a great reputation
Except that one guy
Oh right, Freud
it certainly isnt usa bad. But if you are in the know, certain partys really wanna change that and some people are trying their best that it wont happen. Of course we have a lot of good stuff, no country is perfect, as is austria.
Do we have it alright? sure yeah, but could we have it a lot better? hell yeah.In Austria we say “Sudern auf hohem Niveau”
Yes, compared to other countries Austria is very good. But things could still be much better.
Is it the case where they postponed the vote again because they anticipated it being turned down and needing to wait ages before being allowed to vote again?
If so, perhaps Poland could host the next vote, deliberately not postponing when it seems it’s not going to pass. Maybe even start trolling and remove concessions that would’ve pleased other countries, forcing even more anti-votes and removing some risk of it passing unexpectedly (I don’t know if that would be viable to actually implement though).
We need it to properly fail big time if we don’t want to fear for our privacy every couple months
Remember if US FBI (who is commonly anti-encryption) is suddenly afraid of Chinese state spies, Haxxorz in China and Trump sectarian vigilantes then maybe EU should be as well.
thanks Patrick for fighting for us!
Hopefully someone brings in something to block future attempts. Ik it had already been tried and failed but if chat control can try as many times as they want why cant anti chat control.
